A friend brought this by today and I really don't know that much about Walther pistols. The story is his father in law brought it back from Germany during or after WWII. I think it might be in the wrong holster because the fit doesn't look quite right. The pistol is rough on the outside but the inside looks very nice as does the barrel. Everything works as it should.
I could use some enlightenment as to what he has and if possible what time frame the pistol is from. The holster is not military marked but does have a makers stamp from 1938 which is just under the flap on the front of the holster. The only proof marks are the crown over N's on the slide and barrel. I'm fairly sure it's not for the military and I'm not sure about the police.
Other than the obvious, any ideas on year of manufacture or if its civilian or police. Thanks!

A few more pictures.

No expert by a long shot, but I can tell you the basics:

The serial dates the gun to about 1937. It looks like a standard commercial model. But German officers purchased their personal pistols (as opposed to battlefield issue guns like P08 and later P38) on their own, and only after ca. 1940 did most of those purchases go through Wehrmacht ordnance channels and thus got Waffenamt stamps. So if this is a war bringback, as a 1937 vintage it can still be military without being so marked.

With few exceptions police pistols weren‘t marked either. There are certain serial blocks and specific detail features attributable to certain organizations, but you need a real expert for that.

The holster maker, E.G.Leuner Gmbh from Bautzen, is so well known that at least for Lugers there are actually fake stamped holsters out there. But yours looks like the real deal. It may be for a PPK and thus not quite fit the PP.

And that‘s about it.

I'd suggest a foray into the Walther forum. There's a bunch of folks over there who I'm sure could help you. The website is:
PP and TP Series - WaltherForums

I'll take a look in my Walther book tomorrow and see if can find anything for ya.

I'm almost sure the holster is incorrect for a PP.
I had a gun like yours, either pre war or very early war, judging from the fine finish.

It shot very well indeed, to 25 yards, but occasionally jammed. So I replaced it with a Beretta M-34 .380. No more jams and almost as good accuracy. But no DA trigger pull. But current Berettas offer that, too.

I had a PP in .380 that I carried in my Cruiser jacket as a back-up. Had it Armalloyed (hard chrome) and never had to worry about it getting rusty. Also had a PP in .22 caliber. Regrettably
sold both many years ago.

Is the magazine serialized to the gun?

The more you research them and shoot them, the more you will fall in love with them.

I have both the PP and PPK; each in .380 and each from the early 1960's.

Wonderful, hard working, super reliable weapons with a rich history.

The holster belongs to a PPK. Does the mag have a serial number?

The reason I and CZU are asking about the mag being serial numbered (or at least me) is that I believe the pistol falls within the SS serial number range. Not all in that range, or even most, were SS/RSHA pistols, but some were and they had mags serial numbered to the pistol. SNs were probably stamped on the spine of the mags for mags with the finger extension. They're unsurprisingly quite valuable to collectors. Check out Forgotten Weapons; he has a video on SS PPs and PPKs.

Exactly, the holster I pictured holds a SS/RSHA PPK.

The mag has no markings other than the one I've got pictured. I thought the holster wasn't right because of the fit. There's too much room between the front of the grip and the holster and the pistol pushes against the top of the flap.
He might be selling it, although I don't have any real interest in it other than my curiosity about it's history. Any idea of the value as a package? The outside is rough but the internals are very nice with a mirror bore and sharp rifling.
I'll wander around the Walther forum and see what else I can find out about the pistol. I really appreciate all the input.
Thanks!

It is a known fact thet wartime Walthers dating 1944 and '45were roughly finished on the outside but still nicely finished on the inside.That might be a clue.Walthers were nicely(not to say superbly)finished up until '42-'43 and of course after the war.
As suggested,the Walther forum will certainly bring a valid answer as there are many knowledge people there.

This one appears to be a pre-war PP, originally well finished. The late-war pistols were pretty rough.

After the war, Germany was forbidden to make weapons, so the guns were made in France by Manhurin, and I believe assembled in Germany. I believe, kinda going on my memory here. I don't know when Walther took over the entire weapon, though. Mine is a 68, just beating the GCA, and says "Made in West Germany" on the frame. It does not say Interarms, although they started importing them a pretty long time ago and continued until the 1990s(?). Manhurin also produced their licensed line of pistols marked on the side differently from Walther and with Manhurin grips. They're valued and of high quality.

Nice pistol.
The underlying orig polish finish is not crude by any standards. Standard Walther polish and blue of the period.
That it has suffered some deterioration from wear and light pitting is after the original mfg. That doesn't make it a crude orig finish.
You want to see the crude late war mfg, look at the late '44 and 1945 mfg frames and slides and compare.

Does the holster have an additional lightly stamped mark on the strap right inbetw the two lines of stitching where it's attached to the trigger flap?
It may just be some scratches in the leather from something like fingernail contact over time/use. But I can't make out what is there..

I thought there may be a Police/Eagle/C(L) mark on the left side of the frame behind the trigger too. But I think that's just a patch of light pitting/blue loss mixed in with the orig finish.

Nice orig pistol IMO. Not 'minty' but been there. The PPK or Hsc holster an extra special item for sure.
I wish I had managed to hang on to at least one or two more of these things over the years.
One 1937 PPK left.

The original finish was a nicely polished blue that is now worn and pitted in places. There aren't any markings near the trigger guard and I've pictured all the markings I could find. The holster only has the one maker's stamp; I think it's just wear on the strap that might look like a marking.
GunBroker has quite a few listed for sale but it's hard to get a good idea as to value. I can get a good sense of value on the pistol but the holster is a different matter. When I get some time, I'll sign into the Walther site and see what I can dig up.
I like the whole rig and have no reason to doubt it's a war time trophy and if I were into the PP or PPK's, I would be interested in purchasing it. They're not my thing as I prefer to put my money into Smith revolvers and SAA's.

His pistol, in effect according to the serial number, was manufactured in 1937, and is Civilian.
Officially, he did not belong to any police or military division.
Walther, even in times of war, left part of his production for the civil market.
The holster, coinciding with the year of manufacture, is authentic, the length of a Walther PP is only 0.6 inches longer than the Walther PPK. So I don't see why it can't be that gun's original holster. Enter it and see if it indeed fits and closes well, if it does, I bet it accompanied the gun for decades. Although it was manufactured for a PPK, the difference is so small that it was not doubted that they were used interchangeably.

The most important thing for me is that, according to you, the interior of the barrel is shiny and rust free, this is very very good.

I had one equal to yours, from 1936, made in Germany, Zella Melhis, 98%, complete in its box with all its accessories and I let it pass because the interior of the barrel was badly damaged, rusty, surely to use at the time oxidizing ammunition. a pity.

Now I have a pistol made in the year 1971 in Germany ulm, New in Box, with all the accessories in new condition 100% blue puliod. It came to me only with the factory shooting test and the law.
This time the inside of the spout was a mirror, beautiful
Put on a beautiful French walnut grip set, beautiful
It is a Masterpiece.

I share photos for your delight.
Luck !

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