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Questions on a couple .410s
I was given a couple old beat up shotguns from my sis & BIL. One is a .410, 3" chamber pump, called Western Field Model XNH-480. Ithica Gun Co. on butt plate. Ithica made, obviously, just kinda wondering who Western Field is? Hardware store chain maybe, like Western Auto?
Second is a double barrel made by Crescent Firearm Co. (from what I can make out) Norwich, Conn, USA. No. 60 Empire Hammerless. Is this maybe from the adjustable wrench company?
Both had pretty rough actions but loosened up and function fairly well after a spray of Ballistol. Can't find any serial numbers on either, and my smart phone is acting stupid lately so I will try to post pics tomorrow.
BIL got them from a deceased nephew quite a few years ago, he doesn't hunt, so he gave them to me. He doesn't know much about them. I'm sorry no pics. Thanks, Jeff
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Western Field was the line of firearms made for Montgomery Ward.
Crescent F.A. Company wasn't the same company as the tool company. They made a ton of inexpensive shotguns. I believe they made a lot of store brand shotguns for various hardware companies.
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Does the Western Field .410 have an ejection port on the side? If so, it is not an Ithaca. It is easy to swap butt plates.
I believe this shotgun was built by Noble, not Ithaca.
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Muley Gil, yes, you're right. The plate isn't even with the wood. And, yes, they are definitely "value-priced" guns. Plain wood, nothing pretty. But they do seem to work properly and someone probably nailed a few rabbits with them at one time. So ugly and plain they're just waiting for me to shoot something with them! Thanks, guys! (Stink bug season is soon!)
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Western Field was the firearms branch of Montgomery Ward. I had a Marlin 30-30 sold by them. It was a very high quality rifle. at least as good as Marlin and in my eyes. a little better. Slightly different forearm.
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What a marvelous period in American history in must have been when ordinary hardware/automotive stores not only sold firearms, but had them specifically made for their store.
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What a marvelous period in American history in must have been when ordinary hardware/automotive stores not only sold firearms, but had them specifically made for their store.
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It was a wonderful time. Hardware stores like Western Auto and Oklahoma Tire and Supply (Otasco) carried not only new firearms and ammunition, but military surplus. I bought a M-93 Chilean Mauser from a barrel in Otasco for $15 in the early 70's. Sears private labeled all sorts of firearms with their J.C. Higgins brand. It was a simpler, happier time. Great for gawking kids to look at what many urban kids can only watch in movies and video games. Walmart is carrying junk stuff, and not even that in their urban locations.
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It was a wonderful time. Hardware stores like Western Auto and Oklahoma Tire and Supply (Otasco) carried not only new firearms and ammunition, but military surplus. I bought a M-93 Chilean Mauser from a barrel in Otasco for $15 in the early 70's. Sears private labeled all sorts of firearms with their J.C. Higgins brand. It was a simpler, happier time. Great for gawking kids to look at what many urban kids can only watch in movies and video games. Walmart is carrying junk stuff, and not even that in their urban locations.
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Alas, I was born a bit too late to appreciate such things when they were still happening, by the time that I was old enough to really be aware, I only got to see the slow decay of it all.
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You might be surprised at the value of these old, beat up guns.
Because they are 410’s, they will bring much more than comparable guns in 12 gauge.
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The first gun I ever bought, a Winchester 250, was at the Economy Auto Store in my hometown. A few years before, that store had a bunch of SMLEs for $15 each. They sold out pretty quickly. Few deer then, but a lot of hunters who went after them.
Western Field guns were to Montgomery Ford what JC Higgins was to Sears.
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I cleaned up the innards of the two shotguns today and they are very solid and the actions work very well. Just need to go out of the city somewhere and shoot them sometime. I also was given the Sears Ted Williams Model 100, Winchester 94 .30-30. It needs a little work, but it cycles the cartridges okay. It had a Weaver scope mount on the side but no scope. Sure looks like factory or a good smith installed it. Another example of the guns mentioned in the comments above.
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Western Field is a Noble Firearms mfg'r as Muley points out.
Model 70 series guns, they made a bunch different versions.
Western Field just one of the many different 'House Brands' as they were called that gun mfg'rs commonly sold their guns under.
Some names were proprietary to the mfg'r, others to the retailer.
Often the only difference from their Mfg'r branded guns were things like stock wood, different or lack of checkering, diff sights, ect. Usually small details. They can make for some great guns at great prices.
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