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One of my favorites is a SBS Remington Model-1100.

The 14" barrel has been threaded to accept Rem-Choke tubes which makes it a good "Utility" shotgun for ATV boonie rides, hunting or self defense.
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My dad's old patrol shotgun from.the 60's


High standard riot with an action so smooth I can rack it one handed.


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Some years back at a local gun show one of the dealers was selling 870 police shotguns. Covered in rust mine cost me $185 with taxes out the door. Cleaned off all the rust from the barrel,receiver and mag tube plus the operating rod. Surprisingly no pitting due to the rust. Took the wood sanded it,put a coat of sanding sealer as the first coat.roughed it up and about 4 coats of try oil. Wouldn't believe it was the same shotgun. Couple months later same dealer and another 870. did everything to the second one that I did to the first.Both have the mag extensions and plan on getting the saddle for 6 more rounds. Funny thing,one has the 18" barrel the other has the 32" barrel. Took both to a local range and asked the RO if they had any place to shoot them as I just bought them. And they did just fine. Not bad for two cheap shotguns. Frank

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Based on my 21 y.o.'s purchase history, I have to agree with you. That or an autoloader (he's got a Saiga too).

Personally I like my SxS, but the kid's Shockwave has its charms.
Hard to shoot .
A stray dog was attacking people walking on my street .
Policeman arrived , he removed his buttless , pistol stocked 12 ga. from car . Pointed out the dog who was trotting down the street towards the policeman , he held his fire untill the dog was about 6 feet away...point blank , fired and Missed , dog stopped and turned, he pumped and fired again ...point blank and missed again , pumps and dog starts to run..he's 10 feet away... policeman fires ...and misses again...policeman watches the dog dissapear behind a house...he calls animal control .
I talk to him...he doesn't like the "new toy" hard to aim and hard to rack...he wants his "old school" shotgun , with a buttstock back , new one looks cool and tactical and such but is just too hard to shoot accurately .
I'm old guy ...I'll stick with old school !
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Hard to shoot .
A stray dog was attacking people walking on my street .
Policeman arrived , he removed his buttless , pistol stocked 12 ga. from car . Pointed out the dog who was trotting down the street towards the policeman , he held his fire untill the dog was about 6 feet away...point blank , fired and Missed , dog stopped and turned, he pumped and fired again ...point blank and missed again , pumps and dog starts to run..he's 10 feet away... policeman fires ...and misses again...policeman watches the dog dissapear behind a house...he calls animal control .
I talk to him...he doesn't like the "new toy" hard to aim and hard to rack...he wants his "old school" shotgun , with a buttstock back , new one looks cool and tactical and such but is just too hard to shoot accurately .
I'm old guy ...I'll stick with old school !
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That has zero to do with the firearm and everything to do with training. I own one and my experience is the exact opposite of that officer.

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Ah, riotguns, my weakness.
I've got a bunch including Winchester, Remington, Ithaca, High Standard, Stevens, S&W, and Benelli





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To me, a shotgun is like a hammer...super useful, not something I necessarily "enjoy".

I have a now discontinued FN TPS, which is essentially a tweeked Win 1300. I don't have a pic of mine, but this is it here:



The thing is just brutal with that stock, so I changed it out years ago to something a bit more comfortable.

I'll admit that I haven't taken it out in a very long time, so I decided to shoot the thing a few weeks back. The sheer amount of destruction that this thing can cause is just massive.

I've long found it ironic that anti-gun people love to attack the AR when a different device that is wildly destructive exists elsewhere. 7+1 of 00 Buck is a massive amount of power and in such a useful and controllable tool. Before I left the range, I quick cycled 2 rounds of it from a good 10 yds. 18x .330" pellets on target in less than 2 seconds is just amazing to see....and people whine about .223...
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Yeah...I don't bring it up often. I figured it would be ok here. In my real life...and even on other sites, I refuse to debate with people how destructive a firearm is or is not, its a fool's endeavor.
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Yeah...I don't bring it up often. I figured it would be ok here. In my real life...and even on other sites, I refuse to debate with people how destructive a firearm is or is not, its a fool's endeavor.
Be careful, "they" will be coming after your twin gauge, AR-14, and 100 rounds.
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Hard to shoot .
A stray dog was attacking people walking on my street .
Policeman arrived , he removed his buttless , pistol stocked 12 ga. from car . Pointed out the dog who was trotting down the street towards the policeman , he held his fire untill the dog was about 6 feet away...point blank , fired and Missed , dog stopped and turned, he pumped and fired again ...point blank and missed again , pumps and dog starts to run..he's 10 feet away... policeman fires ...and misses again...policeman watches the dog dissapear behind a house...he calls animal control .
I talk to him...he doesn't like the "new toy" hard to aim and hard to rack...he wants his "old school" shotgun , with a buttstock back , new one looks cool and tactical and such but is just too hard to shoot accurately .
I'm old guy ...I'll stick with old school !
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Let me guess, he was shooting from the hip without actually using the sights, wasn't he?

There are techniques to aiming/shooting pistol grip shotguns accurately, as illustrated in this video...

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I really like the stock on your Model 870. (The one in the middle photo.) The polished chrome bolt sets off the Parkerized finish as well. A truly attractive gun!
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would like to pick up a moderate cost shotgun for HD. Have a repaired shoulder that doesn't like recoil, even 30-30 racks it.
Reccomendations for a model and load?
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would like to pick up a moderate cost shotgun for HD. Have a repaired shoulder that doesn't like recoil, even 30-30 racks it.
Reccomendations for a model and load?
A 20-gauge is more than enough for home defense, and a heavier one like an 870 Remington will recoil less than a lighter one like the Ithaca 37. Reduced-recoil buckshot is your best bet.
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.410 Bore, perhaps? It doesn't have much recoil, and can be easily fired without shouldering it too, (heck, I shoot it from a revolver) even if the recoil did prove too much for your repaired shoulder, it could always be shot using other methods.

Speaking of which, I would recommend looking into methods of firing shotguns without shouldering them. I already posted a video in this thread showcasing a few of such methods for use with pistol grip shotguns, but there are others as well.

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https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/c...gun-technique/
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I like 870s, and each one is configured to suit its task.

Old Wingmaster with furniture off one of the modern ones, the original nice wood is stored away. My bird gun.
Marine Magnum with Choate sidefolder, the shop gun.
Youth model 20GA, pest control.
Old police trade in 3" express, 18" All purpose truck gun.
Express Tactical with Knox stock, house gun.
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Let me guess, he was shooting from the hip without actually using the sights, wasn't he?

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If you have to hold it out in front of you so you look down the barrel why not have a stock to put on your shoulder? Larry
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If you have to hold it out in front of you so you look down the barrel why not have a stock to put on your shoulder? Larry
  • Shorter OAL allowing it to more easily be maneuvered around in tight quarters and stored more easily/discretely.
  • Lighter weight allowing it to be more easily carried on hikes or out in the wilderness where dangerous predators roam.
  • Faster Deployment allowing it to be quickly snapped into position without having to worry about nestling it just right against your shoulder or it getting snagged somewhere along the way.
  • Lesser felt recoil allowing it to be fired more comfortably because it isn't smacking into your shoulder when fired, nor is it smacking you in the palm due to the direction/orientation of the grip.

You might already have understood this had you actually watched the video first before rushing headlong into an attempted debate which I will indulge you no further in because I'm confident that any further replies coming from you will be equally ignorant, and I honestly don't care whether you agree with me or not.
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I've carried the same issued 870 for most of my career & am trying to talk the PD into letting me buy it when I leave.

After an incident, a couple of the younger guys were making fun of me & my old shotgun. I asked which one of them were gonna shoot the hinges off the door so we could go inside. Neither had actually even thought about it....
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The extended family had a 18' camper that several households took on trips. There was a choke point in the middle where the stove and sink were on one side and the closet and bathroom were on the other. I had an old Iver Johnson single shot 12 gauge that was an 18" Barrel & 28" OAL. That little shotgun was so handy in those tight spaces. I had a nylon slide on the butt that held 5-2 3/4 Fed. Premium No.4 Buck rounds (27- copper plated .24 pellets each). The no choke barrel patterned a true 1" per yard. (15 yards=15" pattern)

I had the wife practice (with an unloaded gun) getting the gun from the camper's closet to the exit. She never fire that gun, because the recoil would be too much to enjoy! But she fired the kid's 20 gauge single shots at backyard trap for reloading practice.

Tale from the past: August 1968, there was a riot inside the Ohio Penitentiary in Columbus, Ohio. Several guards had been captured and were held hostage. It was decided that the several foot thick stone wall would be breeched (at the same time as the roof of the neighboring cell block!) An assault team in 2 columns would charge through the breeched wall, and a Highway Patrol sniper team of 4 would repel from the roof. The sniper team's job was to shoot everyone standing in the area of the hostages. The assault team, one column was all armed, the rescue column was 3 armed men followed by medic, fireman and armed office, repeat a dozen times.

The Highway Patrol decided to issue all weapons to be used, but gave each man his choice of a M-2 Carbine, a 1928 Thompson with 30 round mags or one of several riot shotguns. My Father-in-Law was the first man and leader of the armed assault column, his weapon of choice was a Stevens 12 gauge pump and No.4 buckshot shells.

There are a number of interesting stories from that incident! One of them is; In the aftermath, every poisoner was taken to the exercise yard (small baseball field sized) and was to strip naked then lay down until all the cells were searched. One inmate tried to fight a Highway trooper, and came at him with an improvised knife. A point blank blast from a 12 gauge into the chest (with total penetration) ended the disagreement! With the dead inmate lying next to the "strip point", there were no more disagreements or protests from the remaining inmates!

As a follow up; all the guards were rescued without further major injury. Several inmates had "rescued" a guard held elsewhere are were in the process of smuggling him out when they were caught in the blast from breeching the outer wall, They protected the guard with their bodies from injury. (they were all transferred immediately to a different prison and were "early released" within 6 months!

From a prison ministry I was in later I knew one of the regular population inmates and one of the death row inmates of that time. I knew from family functions about 8 of the Columbus PD & Ohio Patrolman involved. My wife was just short of her 13th birthday, Her mom had shielded the kids from the news, and knew almost nothing of this until she was 35!

Epilogue: Columbus PD used Remington 870's for riot guns (they had 750 of them!) but my F-I-L always carried a Stevens for "special occasions" (I never had the nerve to ask, if it was the same gun from August of '68!)

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Got several as well, with my Mossberg 88 the first one I ever bought. Shot a friend's Mossberg 930 SPX...wow...8 12ga rounds in under 5 seconds...that's on my bucket list.
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I grew up chasing pheasants and quail in rural Kansas and all of my shotguns came with wood furniture and field length barrels. That said, I did purchase an 18 1/2" barrel for a 500 Mossberg 20 gauge I have and put a light on it. I put it in the bedroom closet loaded with #3 buck shot and my bride of 28 years asked me "please take that shotgun out of our closet". So... back to the safe it went and using a handgun in a bedside lock box. I've got to figure out a system close by my wife will be okay with!
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I got my first shotgun when I was 10. Dad gave me a brand new Winchester .410 ga. As I am the oldest of three boys, my brother who is two years behind me got the .410 when he turned 10. I was twelve when Dad gave me a brand new Remington 20 ga. semi-auto. How I loved that gun. It was stolen when we left it at the weekend cabin. I got to shoot Dad's 12 ga. once. It knocked me down on my butt. I do not recall getting any more shotguns until I was grown, and became a deputy sheriff. I have had many shotguns since then. I presently have a semi-auto Remington 12 ga. 1100, and a Remington V3 Tac 13 in 12 ga. I have always loved shotguns.
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You can say that about pistols vs rifles, especially in the same caliber.

The argument is the same- one is smaller and more mobile, the other is bigger and more accurate inherently.

This is about as small as I want to go with 12 gauge.
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Even though I love my ARs, that doesn't mean there isn't a 12-guage at hand in case something goes bump in the night. In my case, it's a KSG pump loaded with 14 rounds of Federal Reduced Velocity Law Enforcement with #1 Buck.
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I am a fan of Model 12s!

Here's one of mine, barrel shortened to 14 inches. It's great in hallways or tight spots, including vehicles.

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Besides the 870s I have a few others, a Stevens 311 in 20 from 1951, a Savage 24 in .223 over 20, A Rossi Overland open hammer coach in 12, and an L.C. Smith in 20. I guess I like shotguns!
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My truck gun is a Remington 11 Whippet style circa 1930. House gun is a Mossberg 500 Riot with a Choate stock. Field guns are Ithaca Flues SXS and Browning Auto 5.
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I had a Winchester 1300 stainless marine



I just traded it for a 1300 defender

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I resisted buying this excellent condition consignment 870 Police when I saw it in my local shop for $425.

On Sale for $399 a week later. But "I've already got too many shotguns" I said to myself.

At $359 this week , I could no longer resist.

All my 870's currently have all the bells & whistles. I wanted just a basic model & this fit the bill.


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One that we would love to find is one of the replicas of the Winchester 1887 shotguns that you see at times. Better half does like the idea of a 12 gauge but with short arm length she admits that she would most likely short stroke it while with a lever action probably no issues.
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I wish I could find a decent quality exposed hammer side by side 12 gauge or 10-gauge for home defense and or self-defense. On the low end, all that is available Chinese trash or $800 + Turkish guns imported by c z.
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I wish I could find a decent quality exposed hammer side by side 12 gauge or 10-gauge for home defense and or self-defense. On the low end, all that is available Chinese trash or $800 + Turkish guns imported by c z.
It would seem that an exposed hammer gun would be somewhat slow to bring to bear when the need arises.
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Besides the 870s I have a few others, a Stevens 311 in 20 from 1951, a Savage 24 in .223 over 20, A Rossi Overland open hammer coach in 12, and an L.C. Smith in 20. I guess I like shotguns!
I like 'em too! My Shotguns

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It would seem that an exposed hammer gun would be somewhat slow to bring to bear when the need arises.
Maybe so if stored dry, but if stored with loaded chambers & hammers down, I see little difference relative to a pump stored cruiser ready.

What appeals to me in the SxS exposed hammer, double trigger shotgun for HD/SD is:
1. Simpler manual of arms relative to other repeaters
2. Store loaded indefinitely with no springs compressed
3. Lighter and shorter than pump or semi with same length bbl
4. Capability to use shorty buckshot & slug shells with no impact on function

I ended up building my wife a HD shotgun with a 12ga 870 Police Magnum using some innovative bits that she (as a smaller woman) could shoot relatively easily. But it would have been a straighter path with a double-barrel, double-trigger, exposed hammer shotgun. And the end product would have been lighter and shorter.
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Are hammer guns drop safe?
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My shotguns don't need bells/whistles/lights/side saddles or hood scoops........All they need is a magazine full of shells and a steady hand.
I am in your camp. Simple is better for shotguns. I had a .22 and a Model 12 in 12 gauge as "my guns" when growing up (still have them). Pump shotguns makes sense to me. Running one is second nature and I have little doubt about the close range effectiveness. If things are not going well at 2:00 AM I hope my Mossberg is around.
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Are hammer guns drop safe?
Good question. I do know NYC issued SxS shotguns up through the late part of the 20th century.

Another:
Are pump & semi-auto guns with internal hammers drop safe?

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Does it matter for a long gun?

We're talking a drop on the muzzle from some height for a "non-drop safe" shotgun. Most long guns, rotated to be perpendicular to the earth from a carry position, are "already there" in many cases. Meaning, there is mighty little drop or distance over which to accelerate relative to a hand gun.

This issue, while interesting, may not be significant for HD/SD shotguns.
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We only had one shotgun in the house as a boy growing up so it was what I started out shooting at a very young age . It had been my dad's grandfathers gun originally that had been passed down . An Ithica double barrel with external hammers and barrels about 38" long . It was a custom build for him . I almost forgot to mention , it's a " 10 gauge Magnum " . I didn't shoot it a lot , but I bought shells for it and I did shoot it . I still have it today . Regards, Paul
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The Rem 870 was introduced in 1950.
The AR-15 was introduced in 1957.
Those whipper snappers carrying the then new Mattel rifle are now collecting social security. So are most folks with an 870.

I own both. Both have a long history, are still in production and have elaborate, varied support chains. For me, they are not one-to-one comparison nor interchangeable.
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I have a question for the obsessed gents who hunt
For game birds and rabbits in the dense brush
What has been your experience .
I've hunted most of my youth..but it was rifle..deer.. fox.. tree rats..
When I was about 12yrs old my mother bake a goose..and it was the most nasty bird I ever ate.
Since that moment I've never had any interest in any bird..other then a moving target..that was our reactive targets as kids..direct hit..poof!! We were rewarded with a shower of plumage ..pretty nest up by today's standards..but then I dont remember birds ever carried virus to kill humans..leads me to believe we were all out side as kids blasting birds and kept there numbers in check..very important job for a youngster.
Haha
Anyway..
I'm lost..oh..so I've read that I dont need anything but a 20ga for my intended purpose..
My buddy say if I buy a .20ga hes going to make fun of me till the day I die unless that 20ga is for the wife.
His thinking..only gun that exists is the .12 ga you buy the 12ga and tune the choke and ammo to its intended use..but under no circumstances am I to purchase a .20 ga with out picking up a dress to go with it..
I dont see the point of throwing a sledgehammer through the woods to kill a bird.do I seek a .12 ga..or is it ok for me to get a .20 ga and not get made fun of.
I was actually looking at the stoegers..looks to be a very nice gun for the money..and there owned by Beretta I believe..
What to do
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Now you have shotguns and then you have the Winchester Model 12.


Or the Stevens 520/620 family of take downs. This one is a 16ga.




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Except polymer framed pistols actually tend to recoil harder than steel-framed pistols because they're lighter in weight and polymer doesn't do much to absorb recoil forces.

Honestly, I'm no stranger to poking fun at young men these days for their effeminate choices in attire such as man-buns and leggings, (don't even get me started on the emasculating travesty that is manscaping) but their ain't nothin' wimpy about anybody who has the guts to take their safety seriously by choosing to carry a firearm for Self-Defense, especially in the modern day when the media does everything in its power to defame those who exercise their Second Amendment rights, and those Fisher Price pistols recoil a heck of a lot more than your very manly metal-framed pistols.

Just sayin'.
To each his own. I leave those emasculated pieces on the store shelf.
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Is that the Winchester 1200 or 1300? How do you like it? I'm actually looking at a model 1300 for sale.
I'm thinking now it's the newer 1300 based on the receiver stock fit up..
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To each his own. I leave those emasculated pieces on the store shelf.
As long as you aren't also leaving your all metal pistols at home because they're too heavy and you've only got to run to the store, fine by me.

Personally, I overcame my biased against polymer framed pistols once I realized just how easy they were to carry. There were times when I left my gun at home because it was uncomfortable to carry on hot summer days and I didn't like having to strap it on for a quick run to the store, so I bought an LCP that I could easily carry in the pocket of a pair of drawstring shorts, just as a tool for self-defense, but quickly grew to love it. I've since bought a S&W SW40VE which has replaced my all metal guns for carry because it's lighter, less expensive, and less pretty, so I won't lose any sleep if it ends up in an evidence locker post usage in self-defense.
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Is that the Winchester 1200 or 1300? How do you like it? I'm actually looking at a model 1300 for sale.
I'm thinking now it's the newer 1300 based on the receiver stock fit up..
Pictured are an Ohio National Guard Remington 870, another 870, and the bottom gun is an Ithaca 37. I have both a Winchester 97 and 12 but somehow haven't picked up a 1200 or 1300. Yet



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90 plus replies and only 2 mentioned the Winchester 1200-1300 shotguns....Is there a problem that I am not aware of?

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I've become a real fan of the 12 gage, enough to be set up to load my own shotshells and have a bit of a collection. Started shooting Trap in 2018 and since then I've picked up 2 pumps, 1 semi, 2 O/U, and 1 SxS. My favorite load is a 1 ounce 2 3/4 dram load of # 7.5 shot, right now have about 1200 of these hand loads boxed and ready for a trip to the range. BTW, between Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays I can have weekends where I'll go thru 150 or even 200 shells, so 1200 is really just a month or two supply.

PS; my House Gun is a Remington 870 Field and Home kit. So, it's loaded with 5 rounds of #1 buck sitting handy with it's 18.5 inch barrel. Seems way short compared to my 30 inch sporting shotguns but I've shot Trap with it using the 28 inch barrel and function is 100% perfect. It's also a very good Trap gun with a wonderful sight picture.
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