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Old 03-14-2020, 04:06 PM
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Winchester Model 12 16 gauge..1927. 26" full
The beauty is it's factory original, metal and wood. Untouched.

It's a 2 9/16th chamber.
Lots of opinions about old short chambered shotguns,
shoot the 2 3/4" ammo out of them, don't shoot the 2 3/4"
ammo out of them, send them out and have the chamber extended....and on and on.

Simple decision for me.
Why would I take an old original classic gem like this and have the barrel hogged out or stuff ammo in it that it wasn't designed for?

Located and secured a case of B&P 2 5/8" for vintage 16 gauge
firearms....done deal. No harm, no foul to the firearm.

Hope to take this classic to the field later this year for a
little casual dove hunting.
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Doesn't look to have ever had a round fired from it! She is beautiful.
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Here is a fabulous place to secure ammo for your old classics.
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First off I have to point out that 2 5/8 inch is LARGER than 2 9/16 inch. I would suggest NOT taking chances with a shell length that is likely right on the borderline between safe and a blown up shotgun. Fact is that model 12 is in such wonderful condition that it's a truly Collectable firearm worth a much higher price than a lightly used field condition shotgun. If you really want to shoot it find someone who can load 2 1/2 inch shells for it. Yeah, you may have to pay something like 2 or 3 bucks a shell but a shotgun in that condition really shouldn't be treated like a shooter.

Note, on my desk at work I have a circular from an outfit that sells components and equipment for building hand made Roll Crimped shotgun shells. In total you could probably set yourself up to make your own roll crimped loads using a very basic Whack A Mole setup. Big plus for Roll Crimps is they are supposed to pattern more evenly and building custom length shells is simply a matter of trimming the shell length to the correct starting length. Means you could take once fired 16 gage hulls from 2 3/4 loads and cut them back to produce 2 1/2 inch shells. Sorry, can't remember the name of that outfit the circular was handed to me by a co-worker who knows I'm into busting clays.
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Greg, every single 16 gage load listed at your link are Modern 2 3/4 shotgun loads. They will NOT work in a shotgun chambered for the older 2 9/16 inch length.
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Old 03-14-2020, 07:19 PM
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Please don't wack me up 'side the head for this observation, but both the wood and steel surfaces appear to be refinished to me. It's so hard to closely examine the surfaces when viewing them through the photographs. The steel surfaces have a non-factory look about the polish job, the receiver is a bit more of a "purple-y" hue than the barrel/magazine assembly. The stock appears a bit too slick and its wood-to-metal fit appears to be "off" where it mates to the receiver. The original fit would have shown "proud" wood, with surface higher than the metal's surface.

I could be all washed up and that's just the factory appearance of that Model 12. Oil or a preservative on the metal surfaces could be influencing perception of surface color and polish characteristics.

I've admired, owned, used, and been around the excellent Winchester Model 12 all my life, both guns I've owned or those owned by family members and friends. I haven't examined that many really nice pre-war Model 12s in my time though. A good ol' gun club friend had a 16 gauge Model 12 from 1916 with the short chamber that his dad bought new when my friend was 9 years old. It was pristine, yet he'd long since had the chamber opened up before I was even born. He wanted to use it and use it he did for dove hunting here in Texas, some duck and quail hunting too. His son has it now and still uses it yet.

He had great guns with a pre-war Winchester, Colt, and Smith & Wesson bent, all either inherited or purchased new. I have a 12 gauge Winchester Model 12 Skeet Grade 14 years newer than yours that my friend ordered brand new from the factory in 1941. It's tricked out with very rare factory Model 12 option, a Cutts Compensator with the choke tubes, the barrel being factory produced with a boss to receive the choke system. I could have done without the hideous-looking Cutts ruining an otherwise gorgeous Model 12, but the gun is fabulous to use and handy with the interchangeable choke tubes.

Don't really have a great photograph of the Skeet Grade Model 12. Here's a duck haul from a hunt with it.


Here's one taken in harsh sunlight, the Model 12 Skeet Grade in its "glory," Cutts and all.


At the other end of condition scale, our youngest son fell into a shabby but sound 1917 vintage Winchester Model 12 16 gauge having nearly no finish. Despite my concerns he's happily shooting the hooey out of it using modern shells in its apparently short chamber. I've not measured it and he's not bothered to go have it checked.

The modern shells will work in the shorter 16 gauge chamber and, at least superficially appear to give perfect satisfaction. It's debatable whether or not the increased pressures generated from the longer shell's crimp opening up against the confines of the shorter chamber's forcing cone upon firing renders the shotgun unsafe. People did it for years and are still doing it. Doesn't make it an expedient choice. If I intended to shoot an early Model 12 16 gauge I'd have the chamber modified.

It's our son's choice for duck hunting on our old place at the lake. Here it is in our duck blind with the 1931 vintage Remington Model 11 12 gauge I was shooting on a day drenched in rain with a high of 34F.

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I understand. I picked up a Mod 12 Lightweight 12 ga. choked Imp Cyl. a couple years ago. It dates to the early 60's. It is lighter and swings great. Haven't hunted with it yet, but have had it on the skeet field, and when I remember to shuck the shells on doubles it shoots very well. They just have a nice fit and feel.
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There is absolutely no danger in firing a longer shell in a shorter chamber. It is ridiculous to think that a small fraction of an inch of increased length of the shell body will raise chamber pressures. I had the same concern once regarding my 20 gauge Winchester 1912 (2.5" chamber), discussed it with the head ballistician at Winchester (East Alton), as at that time over 10 years ago, I was visiting Winchester frequently. He said no problem at all, one of the most common questions he gets.

The real issue is whether the longer shells will eject properly. In my 20 gauge Model 1912 (from 1913), I have found that both Winchester and Remington 2-3/4" plastic cases will eject OK, but Federal cases will hang up. So I just don't use Federal cases. The Winchester and Remington fired cases are a hair over 2.6" long, while the Federal cases are a little over 2.7", and that slight difference is enough to prevent proper ejection in my gun.

I haven't done it, but if you reload 16 gauge, and you remain concerned, it's easy to trim the cases a bit shorter and reload them. You might have to put a little paper wad over the shot before crimping to keep it from leaking out if the crimp doesn't quite close.

Back in my youth, my best friend had a LeFever double gun with 2-3/4" chambers. I duck hunted with him all during high school and beyond, and he always used only 3" magnum shells in it. That was back in the paper case days. Nothing bad ever happened and he got a lot of ducks with it.

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DWalt; I've heard the same thing from several shooters of the previous generation. My extremely limited experience would bear that out, but I'm sure not going to test the assertion.

Did some 4-H shooting sports coaching years ago. I handled the rifle end and a friend handled the shotgun end.

One Saturday at a local trap and skeet range we indulged ourselves after we'd finished with the kids. I'd brought along a 1914 vintage Winchester Model 97 Black Diamond Trap gun just for fun. This gun had seen better days yet was still a great old shooter.

My friend wanted to shoot it so I told him to have at it. A few minutes later he said the Model 97 wouldn't eject the shell. He brought it over to me and the empty shell wouldn't clear the ejection port. I finally used my pocket knife and needle-nosed pliers to "do plastic surgery" and drag the plastic shell out of the opened action. Sure enough, he'd loaded it with a 3-inch magnum 12 gauge shell and fired it.

The gun seemed none the worse for the wear, but it never was going to spit out that long shell.

Later I read that the proof loads Winchester used on their Model 97 and Model 12 guns in the early 1900s gave astonishingly higher pressure than factory standard loads. I want to say that the figure was 150%, but I'm only pulling that out of my head. Guess that margin served us in good stead.

That Black Diamond Model 97 got away from me years ago. Here it is though on a rare (in Texas) duck hunt in the snow.
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Old 03-14-2020, 10:15 PM
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Well mine is a 12 ga 30in full choke. My dad bought it in 1934 in
Wichita at a pawn shop. Paid $35 for it. Lot of money back then. Itís seen hard use and Iíve restored it. Now sits in my vault I believe it was made in 1920
My grandson will be itís owner someday. Dad killed a lot of game with it. I have too.
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Rst shotshell from Eastern Pa , they have a dealer in Libertyville Illinois. They make 2 1/2 in shells
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A few things for reloading, MEC males shell raiser plates for shorter length shell in 12 & 20 gauges, but not 16 for the 600 Jr. press. It only matters on the last 2 stations, and you can make a shim 1/8" thick yourself. My concerns are never with plastic or all brass hulls, only with paper hulls! The case walls are over twice as thick, and that only matters in the forcing cone area!

I shoot a 1904 model 97 all the time with Skeet and Sporting Clays loads, and sometimes even with Federal Papers! My field gun's tolerances just aren't that tight!

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Beautiful!!

I found a 16 gauge at the LGS a couple of years ago. $200.00 OTD, a perfect match for the field grade 20 gauge I bought used in October of 1963 from "Two Gun" Carter for $90.00.

Have a blessed day,

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I have a number of '12's, but no short chamber 16 ga....greatest shotguns ever built (opinion)...that said, I'd bet a whole lot of the short ones were opened up when ammo started getting scarce...and very few probably got stamped! I'd probably have a good gunsmith look at it. I believe the value is not hurt at all by opening the chamber, maybe increased, unless its NIB or close! and that one appears to be at least partially refinished...it will likely out live all that are talking about it ! enjoy that fine old Winchester
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Rst shotshell from Eastern Pa , they have a dealer in Libertyville Illinois. They make 2 1/2 in shells
Cannot say enough good things about RST ammo. I have used their 2.5Ē Falcon lite in an old pre-war Sauer & Sohn SxS double and now in my Citori Feather field. They are very pleasant to shoot and I took at least 6 roosters with them this year out of the Citori.
Also use 2.5Ē 20 gauge in my 2 1950ís vintage Superposeds. They donít need the low pressure loads but they are so comfortable to shoot that I use them exclusively for quail.
They are not cheap, but I spend time in the field for pleasure and a few extra $ís to really enjoy shooting is money well spent IMO.
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Errr hummm as above very nice refinish... most likely Fords.
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Greg, every single 16 gage load listed at your link are Modern 2 3/4 shotgun loads. They will NOT work in a shotgun chambered for the older 2 9/16 inch length.
All I see are 2-1/2" loads.
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Nicely refinished. It’s a beautiful gun.

Also +1000 for RST shells. I shot them through a 1914 model 12 and they were quite pleasant.
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Folks the REAL issue is Head Space ... the rim sets HS. As above you cant shove a 3 inch shell in a 2 3/4 chamber. Too Long is not a issue, too short may effect the pattern but thats about it.
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Been thinking of trying some of the RST 2 1/2 inch 16 gauge shells in a old hammer fired Husqvarna Model 20 I picked up several years ago. It is also refinished.








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Folks the REAL issue is Head Space ... the rim sets HS. As above you cant shove a 3 inch shell in a 2 3/4 chamber. Too Long is not a issue, too short may effect the pattern but that's about it.
Sure you can. Read my post #8 above. And that's not the only instance I've seen. And I once did it myself with an old H&R single barrel 12 gauge. Should "cant" have been "can?"

"My friend wanted to shoot it so I told him to have at it. A few minutes later he said the Model 97 wouldn't eject the shell. He brought it over to me and the empty shell wouldn't clear the ejection port. I finally used my pocket knife and needle-nosed pliers to "do plastic surgery" and drag the plastic shell out of the opened action. Sure enough, he'd loaded it with a 3-inch magnum 12 gauge shell and fired it."

I didn't comment on this in my previous posting (#8), but those slightly longer fired Federal cases really do jam up the Model 12 action with a too-short ejection port and are not easily removed. It must be pried out with something like a knife blade or screwdriver. You can't do it with your fingers alone. It took me exactly one shot to discover that.

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I use a lot of rst shells, I like old shotguns. Their shells are nice and easy on the old guns, and they really pattern beautifully.
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Wasn't looking, it found me.

Winchester Model 12 16 gauge..1927. 26" full
The beauty is it's factory original, metal and wood. Untouched.

It's a 2 9/16th chamber.
Lots of opinions about old short chambered shotguns,
shoot the 2 3/4" ammo out of them, don't shoot the 2 3/4"
ammo out of them, send them out and have the chamber extended....and on and on.

Simple decision for me.
Why would I take an old original classic gem like this and have the barrel hogged out or stuff ammo in it that it wasn't designed for?

Located and secured a case of B&P 2 5/8" for vintage 16 gauge
firearms....done deal. No harm, no foul to the firearm.

Hope to take this classic to the field later this year for a
little casual dove hunting.
I have 2 shotguns like yours, 16 caliber, but mine were restored, with the ammunition shown in the photo 2 5/8 "(67 mm) it will not have any problem, if you use 2 3/4" cartridges (70 mm) once fired it will not be ejected, it will get stuck in the window.
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I believe the 16 gauge Model 12s were built on the 20 gauge frame. I looked at one in our local Cabela's years ago and put it back in the rack and been kicking myself for not buying it. Great old guns from back when.
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