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Guys do any of you own any of these pistols and I am more specifically interested in knowing which pistol is more accurate free hand at 50 to 75 yards. I am not concerned with 21ft to 30ft. Almost all striker fired can be very accurate at those distances.

The Sig P226 SAO Legion as far as accuracy at 50ft and 75ft is about the size of a 9mm box of ammo but I can achieve the same group size with any of my bone stock striker fired .

How does the Sig P210 Target stack up?
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No Legion here, but I have three P210's: A vintage 210-6, a German stainless target model, and one of the newer American made Target models.

As the old saying goes, "It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian."

That being said, I would rank the German target model as top trigger, the vintage second, and the American made third. All are arguably more accurate than my ability ever is, or was, for that matter.

My personal opinion is that it would be hard for any pistol to exceed the capabilities of a P210, but also that the personal equation would vary more than the different weapons.
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P226 X5 Target, CZ PO1 Shadow, P210 A, all would make excellent slow fire (50 yards) pistols. My issue is that I'm not 35 anymore.
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This video pretty much says it all. It is the shooter and not the gun. A glock 17 and P210 same size group at 75 yards.


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This video pretty much says it all....
1.) 25 meters is not 75 yards and

2.) we do wear eye protection
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1.) 25 meters is not 75 yards and

2.) we do wear eye protection
25 meters is equal to 27.34 yards and 3 feet equal 1 yard so you are right it is not equal but actually 25 meters is a little further but not by much.
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my greatest delima is buying the Sig P210 Target and then finding out it is on par with my P226 SAO Legion and that would be a huge disappointment. I am buying this pistol or should say want to buy it because I am looking for something that will be a tac driver.
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Marathonrunner,

I though you are looking to go out to 75 yards, no feet, but anyway.

I have a 226 Legion SAO and a new P210 Target.

The P210 is amazingly accurate, the trigger can be set extremely light. But the 226 is also inherently very accurate.

I shot both at 25 yards and they are very good, the P210 a bit more so.

You can only find the answer from a rest I would expect because the 226 has wider notch combat night sights and there is more play in the slide/frame fit.

The P210 has narrow notch sights and also the barrel is a tad longer at 5'' IIRC.
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I though you are looking to go out to 75 yards, no feet, but anyway.

I have a 226 Legion SAO and a new P210 Target.

The P210 is amazingly accurate, the trigger can be set extremely light. But the 226 is also inherently very accurate.

I shot both at 25 yards and they are very good, the P210 a bit more so.

You can only find the answer from a rest I would expect because the 226 has wider notch combat night sights and there is more play in the slide/frame fit.

The P210 has narrow notch sights and also the barrel is a tad longer at 5'' IIRC.
I meant 25 yards not 75 yards. There is no way I could group well at that distance. OK so when you were shooting both what distance and were you freehanding it? I am not interested in 21 to 30ft that is not a true test. I understand using a ransomrest takes the error from shooter but so far I have not found any pistol that outperforms another. They all shoot quite well at 25 yards as long as you got a very good trigger press and sight picture
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I shoot regularly at 25 yards free hand or wrist rested on a bag. I shoot my same handloads in both and both are very very good. The P210 has the edge but I attribute that to the narrower rear sight. I also feel the inherent accuracy potential is better due to the very tight smooth fit. There is no play anywhere. My best ever group with the P210 was 6 shots 1.5'' with one flyer, if I count that it was a 2.5'' group. The P226 does not come anywhere near it, not even close. The 226 is a combat gun and set up as such. The P210 has a very light kind of rolling trigger that falls rather than breaks, hard to describe, and almost no feedback on reset. The trigger can be easily adjusted by removing the trigger group and dialing in the spring tension by means of turning the tension nut. That said, the P210, even the new American version which I love, is a class all it's own. If you need to decide between both, get the P210 first. The P210 sits just so low in the hand. I would also check the standard model. I added a Hogue hardwood grip to mine as I do not like these large target grips. Hope that helps.

The P226 is the best at what it does, hard combat. I also have one with red dot and it is my go to competitor. I really do not like the fact that the all stainless 226 is gone, the legion 226 has a alu frame and that is less strong wearing than the steel/steel P210 construction.
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I shoot regularly at 25 yards free hand or wrist rested on a bag. I shoot my same handloads in both and both are very very good. The P210 has the edge but I attribute that to the narrower rear sight. I also feel the inherent accuracy potential is better due to the very tight smooth fit. There is no play anywhere. My best ever group with the P210 was 6 shots 1.5'' with one flyer, if I count that it was a 2.5'' group. The P226 does not come anywhere near it, not even close. The 226 is a combat gun and set up as such. The P210 has a very light kind of rolling trigger that falls rather than breaks, hard to describe, and almost no feedback on reset. The trigger can be easily adjusted by removing the trigger group and dialing in the spring tension by means of turning the tension nut. That said, the P210, even the new American version which I love, is a class all it's own. If you need to decide between both, get the P210 first. The P210 sits just so low in the hand. I would also check the standard model. I added a Hogue hardwood grip to mine as I do not like these large target grips. Hope that helps.

The P226 is the best at what it does, hard combat. I also have one with red dot and it is my go to competitor. I really do not like the fact that the all stainless 226 is gone, the legion 226 has a alu frame and that is less strong wearing than the steel/steel P210 construction.
I was ready to buy the P210 but once I learned the trigger is adjustable, that was a deal breaker for me. I have had two pistols with adjustable triggers malfunction because the screw even with locktite loosened up.

I was also looking at the Beretta 92X or the M9A3 but the locking block failures of those were also a deal breaker. It seems all metal guns require a lot more maintenance than my plastic ones.

All my plastic guns are more than accurate for me, I don't need a bulls eye gun. But it would be nice to have at least one in my collection

My P226 SAO Legion I was disappointed because I thought that was going to be a tac driver but it is on par with my plastic pistols. In fact I can take any of my bone stock pistols like my Smith and wesson 2.0 in 5" barrel and it will group as well as my P226 Legion
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I would suggest that you follow your instincts and buy a P210 then forget that you ever heard that the trigger was adjustable. Take it out of the box, then shoot to your heart's content and you will never know the difference.
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I would suggest that you follow your instincts and buy a P210 then forget that you ever heard that the trigger was adjustable. Take it out of the box, then shoot to your heart's content and you will never know the difference.
that sounds like great advice....lol....however I bought an adjustable trigger for my striker fired pistol. I wasn't a fan of it to begin with but the sales rep said it would be great. Well after installing it my trigger would not release after pulling it no matter how much I tried to adjust the overtravel. I ended up having to just run the trigger without the overtravel screw which basically what was the point to having one anyway.
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marathonrunner, your post is leaving me a bit confused. You want a tack driver, but you don't want a bullseye pistol. You don't want an adjustable trigger.

For me to make a sound recommendation, I need to ask a few questions. What purpose/function do you want this pistol to serve? How do you define "tack driver"? Are you looking for consistent small groups or the ability to adjust the sights?

With the three pistols you are seeking comment on, you appear to be comparing apples to oranges and expecting peaches! The P210 is a tried and true target pistol, while the P226 and P320 families of pistols are (by design) combat pistols. Each is designed to perform a specific (and different) function! In many respects, what you are asking is comparable to asking which V8 powered Cadillac will give me the economy of a Chevy Volt.

Target pistols, due to design, mission, and function, tend to be finicky. Combat pistols, due to design, mission, and function, tend to be more reliable at the expense of accuracy. Are you looking to use your pistol for bullseye, PPC, IDPA/USPSA/IPSC-style matches, or as a conversation starter?

I am not trying to be disrespectful here, or trying to start a confrontation. But knowing the ultimate use can help deliver the most accurate evaluation.
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I would love to see a test where a Sig 210 is compared to a Les Baer 1911 with the guaranteed 1-1/2" groups at 50 yards. The Les Baer you can buy for about $2,300 and the Sig about a grand less, I think it would be a close race.
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you take the grips off the 210 and you see how the hammer spring is in place with a threaded bar that can not loosen up when the trigger group is in place. That bar rests square against the main grip frame. Once that trigger assembly is removed from the gun, that bar can be turned to a bit more or a bit less hammer spring tension.
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marathonrunner, your post is leaving me a bit confused. You want a tack driver, but you don't want a bullseye pistol. You don't want an adjustable trigger.

For me to make a sound recommendation, I need to ask a few questions. What purpose/function do you want this pistol to serve? How do you define "tack driver"? Are you looking for consistent small groups or the ability to adjust the sights?

With the three pistols you are seeking comment on, you appear to be comparing apples to oranges and expecting peaches! The P210 is a tried and true target pistol, while the P226 and P320 families of pistols are (by design) combat pistols. Each is designed to perform a specific (and different) function! In many respects, what you are asking is comparable to asking which V8 powered Cadillac will give me the economy of a Chevy Volt.

Target pistols, due to design, mission, and function, tend to be finicky. Combat pistols, due to design, mission, and function, tend to be more reliable at the expense of accuracy. Are you looking to use your pistol for bullseye, PPC, IDPA/USPSA/IPSC-style matches, or as a conversation starter?

I am not trying to be disrespectful here, or trying to start a confrontation. But knowing the ultimate use can help deliver the most accurate evaluation.
LOL...you are absolutely right! I am all over the place. I can easily afford to buy a top of the line STI but the reason I don't is because spending $4000 on a pistol is ridiculous unless one is into competitive shooting.

The Sig P210 Target seemed like a compromise and but I had some bad experiences with triggers that were adjustable. I.e., I won't mention this company's name because the owner is a friend but the overtravel was supposed to be adjustable but as it turned out, the only way it would release striker is if you ran the pistol without the screw inserted...uggg! Then I had bought a Pyrimaid Trigger from "The Glock Store" in San Diego, by the way avoid that store at all costs! They ripped me off totally and damaged one of my parts I sent them, then refused to fix it.

Anyway the Pyrimaid trigger, the screw was too tight causing the reset to be sticky so I ended up having to send the pistol back to them because I didn't freel comfortable using a lighter to heat up the trigger to unloosen the red locktite on it.

Anyway, I am pretty satisfied with your run of the mill factory striker fired pistol and all of mine I can get a group about the size of a 9mm box of ammo at 25 yards free hand.

So bottom line I guess I don't need a P210 Target pistol but seems like a nice gun to add to my stable. My Sig P226 SAO Legion I like but felt it was a bit overpriced. I could get a full size Sig 320 and a Walther PPQ for the same price so in my mind it was not worth what I paid for
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Gads just wait for the dilemma over what ammo to use, The possibilities are endless!
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There's your answer right there. When shooting modern pistols (metal or polymer) offhand at 25 yards the shooter, not the gun, is the limiting factor these days.

Look how many times in this forum we get what are almost complaints about budget guns that shoot well. Well, that's how things are with a half decent design and a good CNC machine.
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Most higher end pistols will shoot better than
"most" people who shoot them.

I have a CZ 75 SP01 Shadow from the CZ custom shop. Probably the most accurate gun I own and it is still way better than I am, I think the biggest thing for a pistol making the owner look good is how good the trigger is.
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I made this video the same day that I picked-up my Sig 226 Legion. My first two shots with this gun were taken off hand at 25 yards. I later adjusted the rear sight and the gun now shoots to point of aim at 25 yards.

I have dozens of You Tube videos with me shooting dozens of different guns. Box stock Glocks, S&Ws and many different polymer guns will all produce smaller groups at 25 yards than most gun magazines test results show. I have found that using the Sig 210 and other match grade target guns makes a difference (smaller groups) at ranges of 50 yards or greater.
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I made this video the same day that I picked-up my Sig 226 Legion. My first two shots with this gun were taken off hand at 25 yards. I later adjusted the rear sight and the gun now shoots to point of aim at 25 yards.

I have dozens of You Tube videos with me shooting dozens of different guns. Box stock Glocks, S&Ws and many different polymer guns will all produce smaller groups at 25 yards than most gun magazines test results show. I have found that using the Sig 210 and other match grade target guns makes a difference (smaller groups) at ranges of 50 yards or greater.
Next time would like to see you in the video shooting the gun. I just saw the target but no person. Who is to say it was really free hand?
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Marathonrunner this is a video of me shooting a .40 STI off-hand into the same hole at 25 yards.

Most of my videos are shot with me holding my camera in my left hand and shooting the gun with my right hand (i.e. one-handed).

Please look at my YouTube videos if you have time or questions. They can be found under "bubbabladesfla".
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