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Heresy, I know, but as a student of history and firearms, I have to say I am really enjoying this new book by Jim Rasenberger. A great read on Colt’s life and American history at the time, with guest appearances by Sams Walker and Houston, amongst many others.


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Many mistakenly believe that Sam Colt invented the revolver. Actually, in several forms the idea of a revolver predates him. What he did was to couple the act of hammer cocking to the cylinder rotation.
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Yeah, and Sam Colt’s patent on his revolver called it a pistol!
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A great American. Just think what he could invent today.
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Revolvers were the main repeating firearms of the day. Repeating rifles were few and far between plus the handgun was much more useful on horseback. Check the 1841 Battle of Bandera Pass.

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Many mistakenly believe that Sam Colt invented the revolver. Actually, in several forms the idea of a revolver predates him. What he did was to couple the act of hammer cocking to the cylinder rotation.
He was apparently inspired by the clutch used to connect the helm to the rudder control while he was on a ship in the Indian Ocean.

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I have always thought the Colt revolvers rotated in the correct direction.
Some say S&W rotates opposite to Colt's to get around Colt's patent.
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I have always thought the Colt revolvers rotated in the correct direction.
Some say S&W rotates opposite to Colt's to get around Colt's patent.
That's a negatory. The old Smith & Wesson revolvers rotated like the Colt. Only the swing out cylinders went in the opposite direction.
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The early Colt DA revolver cylinders rotated counterclockwise, like S&W hand ejectors. And I think all (not sure if all is correct) S&W top break revolver cylinders rotated clockwise. I doubt that cylinder rotation direction was ever a patent claim.

I am not positive, but I think the idea of a cylinder stop to lock the cylinder in place at the instant of firing was also a part of his patent claims.

By most accounts, Sam Colt was at best only semi-literate. His writings were riddled with serious spelling and grammatical errors.

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Always read about that helm story. And I think it's bunk. If there is one ship related item that could inspire "Ol" Sam in the making of the revolver. It would have been the capstan pawl that keeps it from rotating back in beteween heaves.

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Smith was the ones to gave the idea for the Henry & Winchester, the top break was faster to reload. All of them made American great. Colt - S&W - Henry - Winchester and Remington.
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Always read about that helm story. And I think it's bunk. If there is one ship related item that could inspire "Ol" Sam in the making of the revolver. It would have been the capstan pawl that keeps it from rotating back in beteween heaves.
I believe you're right. I was trying to find another book that corresponded to your version but couldn't find it. The "clutch" thing didn't sound quite right even when I typed it. I've just found the other reference, and it isn't clear either, just saying, "Colt applied the principle of the ratchet, probably inspired by a paddle-steamer wheel". Apparently he had become interested in the revolving cylinder idea several years before, having seen Elilsha Collier's flintlock revolver, which had a spring-loaded hand-rotated cylinder that closed tightly over the barrel extension to eliminate gas leakage, rather like the Nagant.

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It was hard working people that changed America. Not a revolver of any kind. Just sayin'.
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I think most of those "hard working people" had to make do with just a shotgun.

All those heavily armed folks that made America did it mostly on the silverscreen.

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I have been a student of history and the horse soldier for many years. It was Colt's light 5 shooter in the hands of the Texas Rangers that brought Colt back from bankruptcy and proved the value of the revolver. I respectfully disagree that it was the 6 shooter that changed America.

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Leave it to the Texas Rangers, toughest pistoleros that ever mounted a horse...
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I think most of those "hard working people" had to make do with just a shotgun.

All those heavily armed folks that made America did it mostly on the silverscreen.

"This is the West Sir. When the legend becomes fact print the legend"
One of my favorite quotes. Great movie, too!

But I disagree with the overall concept - the "hard working" folks might have done it with shotguns but, without even taking sides because there are sides to be taken, after the Civil War there was another unfortunate "war". Two actually, if you think about it.. Both were won by revolvers and lever action rifles. Not just hard work and shotguns.

One of those "wars" is a very sad story.

The other is as modern as yesterday's news.

I'll leave it at that.
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There is a very good narrative of Jack Hays' Texas Ranger Company 1844 battle at Walker Creek north of San Antonio, in Robert M. Utley's book "Lone Star Justice, the First Century of the Texas Rangers." Hays' 14 Rangers had Paterson Colts ordered by Sam Houston for the disbanded Texas Navy. In a series of mounted and dismounted skirmishes that lasted several hours over several miles, Hays' surrounded 14 men killed or wounded 60 of the 70 man Comanche raiding party, their best warriors, the "Lords of the Plains", with .36 cal. Patersons, ballistically inferior to a pocket .380 ACP. Then along came the .44 Walkers and Dragoons, game changers that foreshadowed firearms development for the next century.
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