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The easiest, on target, natural, guaranteed to hit whatís pointed at.....and has an action job.....I know itís not popular and no I aint volunteering for a shooting match..... just the facts.....
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Just my opinion, but Taurus guns can be very good. From what I've read, the problem is that QC can be a bit iffy and their customer service doesn't seem to have a very good reputation if something does go wrong. I doubt I'd ever get one (never say never, right?). But if the gun works for you and it fills a need/want, then enjoy it.

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A lot of Taurus bashers around but most of what I've read about their 1911s over the years has been good.
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If it is a real 1911 or 1911A1 there are thousands of people that can work on them and parts would be plentiful!

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I did have one of the early Taurus 1911 models like yours. Owned it for about 3 years and fired well over 3000 rounds thru it. Never had any issues at all. Sold it when I bought a Dan Wesson, Bobtail Commander.
I have also owned a couple of Taurus revolvers and never any issues with them.
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I recall the Taurus 1911 earning a lot of praise during an American Rifleman test. Its accuracy numbers were great for a $550 gun straight out of the box.
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I gave $300 + tax new.... drove a hard bargain I did......
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I bought a Taurus 38 Super 1911 and I still cant believe how well it shoots right along side my Colts and Kimbers.
I'm guessing it's about 10 years now, I remember waiting close to 2 years from the time rumor started they were going into a Super.
Certainly don't regret that buy and maybe 2-3K rounds thru it still pumping.
Also picked up double action model that performs well and the only other manufacturer I ever seen that made one was Sig.
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A friend of mine had a Taurus 9mm. He has no problems with it and when I shot it, I found it to be satisfactory.
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I did a T & E for my agency when they first came out along with a couple of their other striker fired guns. I put 500 rounds through the 1911. The only malfunction was a stove pipe when I fired it with one in the tube but no magazine. I wish I'd kept it. The other two guns couldn't make it through a magazine without a malfunction. The newer G2s, and I hear the G3s too, are good.
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My problem with Taurus is all the rookies bringing them in for CCH license qualification and seeing them jam. Probably not a fair comparison, but when lent a Beretta 92 or S&W M&P9, the same person at the same time goes usually on to qualify without further incident.If you like your Taurus, what do I know? I hope that it works great for you. I just will not buy one.
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I have had Taurus semi autos for decades... never had any issues with them... started in the early 1990's with a Model 99 (92 with target sights - well over 10K rounds thru it), followed with 1911 in 45 acp... TCP 738 in 380 x 2... PT111 G2... and then another 1911 in 9mm... and the Taurus 1911's compare well to my Sig's, Kimber's and Colt's... only thing that I have ever done to any of them is change out recoil springs... enjoy the PT1911, you got a smokin deal
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The new Bainbridge, GA Taurus factory was ISO 90001 certified when it opened last year, which requires a high degree of quality control processes in place to obtain.
The immense succes Taurus is having with the G2 and G3 series is because they are essentially Glock clones, so much so Taurus had to pay a settlement to Glock for 'stealing' the design, which the settlement has allowed them to keep using.
I prefer my G2C with it's manual safety, second strike capability, and superior factory sights to a G19.
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I think most Taurus firearms, certainly the ones produced these days, are quality pieces. I have read reports of some of their 1911 clones having out of spec location of pin holes and some have even reported soft metal, but I think those are in the minority.

I've read quite a bit about their G2 and G3 pistols. They seem to be reasonably accurate, very reliable, and they have a pretty unique feature for a striker fired pistol. Second strike capability.
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If Taurus has a problem building 1911's, maybe they don't have sufficient sewing machine or typewriter experience?

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The only 1911 I own is an inexpensive ATI, +/- $400. I'd say cheap, but it has never failed to fire or any semi-auto pistol malfunctions. It's the full-sized (military size?) .45 cal. If I could hold my hands steady it would hit what I aim at, 25 yards. It does well from a bench rest as far as consistency, and I would trust it if needed. The couple parts I needed to repair it are the standard 1911 parts; ATI didn't change anything from the original ones; only produced it cheaper. It even looks like one of the original ones from the military if you could ignore the ATI logo on the slide. It's just a pretty good design, the 1911. It seems when some companies go fiddling around with a good design but do it on the low cost that's when someone like Taurus puts out a few duds. I see a lot of people don't like Taurus because of lack of good QC or Cust. Service. I haven't heard on forums about problems with the Phillipine-made pistols. I've heard enough negativity about Taurus to just stay away. Heck, Ruger seems to be 50/50 on their revolvers, and I have 2, same model GP100 only different barrel length. One good, one returned twice. I suppose Taurus is no different. That OP one is a nice-looking pistol. I guess I agree with Post #2 from ContinentalOp.
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I used to be a regular on the Taurus Forums and I only heard of one case of anything bad with the PT1911, and it was an ambi safety lever snapping off after being dropped onto concrete, landing really awkwardly in such a way that the safety took the brunt of the impact. Being a 1911 Guy, he was able to simply use a replacement ambi safety lever he aready had on hand and with a minor bit of fitting it worked just fine.

In my experience, if a Taurus Firearm works reliably on day one, then generally it will continue to run that way as any other brand of firearm would. Taurus' QA is no worse than Ruger's QA, it's just that Taurus has some of the worst Customer Service in the industry, so short you end up with a lemon, you're in for a bumpy ride when it comes to getting it repaired/replaced. That's the reason why certain Gun Shops won't even carry Taurus Firearms, not because they're all bad, but because getting a bad one fixed tends to be a baffling ordeal, should you be so unlucky.

Personally, there are a total of 5 Taurus Brand Firearms in my household, they've all been 100% trouble free, and most of them are employed in various defensive positions.
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Friend brought over his new Taurus 9mm 1911 with unreliable feeding and shooting low left. His son had tried to "fix" it by stretching the recoil spring and adjusting the sights the wrong direction. I put one of my spare 12# ISMI recoil springs in it and adjusted the sights to POI. I shot a 2" group with my 9mm reloads at 15 yds to demonstrate it was fine.

I have a PT22 that Taurus has worked on 3 times and still isn't right. Taurus customer service is a nightmare if you get a bad one.
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Me thinks that it may be almost impossible to build a firearm today that would fall under the category of the old Saturday Night Special of yester year.

The technological advancements, especially in the past twenty years has pretty much precluded any SERIOUS COMPANY , current and startup, from actually marketing a true piece of mechanical junk.

With CNC machining, metallurgical and polymer development along with new ballistic engineering and combined with marketing now available to the every potential customer via internet has evolved into a whole new era than that of pre 21st century manufacturing.

Even the once stumbling block of political adversity has turned a tremendous but not yet complete turnabout.

So one with sufficient capital can and do introduce excellent and affordable firearms to a point where the top dogs are determined by marketing and exposure more so than the actual firearm or ammo.

My point being that just about any firearm made today will do just about anything we want or need it to do.

The pot metal frames and totally unacceptable tolerances are gone, so much so that aesthetically, they are all starting to look the same to me. I don't dismiss new gun makers or models now as quick as I used too.

If the situation existed that the only good guns were, as an example, S&W or Colts, you would not see domestic production facilities such as Glock, Sig, Armcor, etc..opening plants in the U.S.
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I’ve owned a few Tauruseseses. Taurusi? I never could figure out the plural. Anyway had a few Taurus guns. My first hand gun was a pt1911. The price was right and it had a lot of features and I was 22, on a budget and it looked cool. Shot pretty well. I’ve owned 3 of their 1911s and they’ve all been about as good as I’ve ever needed. I can buy fancier guns now but I wouldn’t say no to a good deal on a Taurus if I found it. I was actually really impressed with their g2c. It’s ergonomic, the trigger was surprisingly really really good and it’s a handy perfect sized package and I only paid 150 for it. It was about as good if not better than my Glock 36.
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Bought a 1911 .45ACP from a friend 7 years ago for $350.00. Has been one of the most accurate and reliable 1911's that I own. Had alot of features for the money.

Enjoy your fine handgun and the good deal you got.
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Being impressed with the 45, special ordered a stainless 9mm. The 9mm runs flawlessly but has never been deadeye accurate despite a trigger and accuracy tune-up. Counting special order stainless with a gunsmiths work on it..... Cost over double of the 45 pistol, but I wouldnít trade the 45 for two of the flawless 9mmís.

Yeah, the grips do need countersunk to accept the Taurus screws.....
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I came across a Taurus model 99, older year, no serial number trace available. It was made in Brazil. It is the only 99 or Beretta 92 that I can find that has adjustable rear sights. I got it by chance from my LGS at a good price. It shoots as good or better than anything I've owned. The trigger isn't a match trigger by any imagination, but I haven't had any trouble with it. The action is smooth and solid, no wiggles or sloppiness. Being an older year may have something to do with the quality of the build. I have heard really good things about their 1911's also.
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Mine fired evertime, even if it hit 24Ē low at 15 yards!
Factory replaced barrel and all was good.
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I have had a stainless PT1911 for several years now. Traded a S&W 4006 that I couldn't stand for it. I only had $325 in the 4006. The Taurus has been accurate and reliable, even feeds hollow points. The only changes I have made to it was to have the slide milled and installed an adjustable rear sight (didn't like the Heine sights it came with) and I ditched the beaver tail grip safety and rounded hammer in favor of a wide hammer and an extended wide grip safety to go with it.
The steel this thing is made of is definitely not soft. The gunsmith who milled the slide for the adjustable sights complained to me that he ruined 2 burrs doing the work. He said it was made with extremely hard steel.
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I too, have a PT1911. It has had zero issues while firing in excess of 2500 rds of 230gn ball and many brands of HP's. It will reliably feed and chamber empty cases. I can stagger the mag with 230gn ammo and empty cases, and it will feed all. Of course I have to manually eject the empties. This is without any work or modification done.
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While at the Wannenmacher Gun Show a few years ago, I took in a PT1911 in 38 Super on a trade deal involving several guns. The gun is stainless and my plan was to flip it later. When I got home, I found a handful of cartridges and took it with me on my next range trip. The gun shot well enough that I bought a box of shells to try and replicate my previous experience with it. Long story short, I bought a set of dies for it and still have it. My only experience with Taurus was positive.
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Since they are for sale down here I wonder how it compares to the also brazilian made IMBEL aka Springfield.
Have any of the members here read comparisons between them?

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Me thinks that it may be almost impossible to build a firearm today that would fall under the category of the old Saturday Night Special of yester year.

The technological advancements, especially in the past twenty years has pretty much precluded any SERIOUS COMPANY , current and startup, from actually marketing a true piece of mechanical junk.

With CNC machining, metallurgical and polymer development along with new ballistic engineering and combined with marketing now available to the every potential customer via internet has evolved into a whole new era than that of pre 21st century manufacturing.

Even the once stumbling block of political adversity has turned a tremendous but not yet complete turnabout.

So one with sufficient capital can and do introduce excellent and affordable firearms to a point where the top dogs are determined by marketing and exposure more so than the actual firearm or ammo.

My point being that just about any firearm made today will do just about anything we want or need it to do.

The pot metal frames and totally unacceptable tolerances are gone, so much so that aesthetically, they are all starting to look the same to me. I don't dismiss new gun makers or models now as quick as I used too.

If the situation existed that the only good guns were, as an example, S&W or Colts, you would not see domestic production facilities such as Glock, Sig, Armcor, etc..opening plants in the U.S.
I believe this to be true. If these gunmakers (in my only experience Ruger) could add some parts polishers to manually de-burr some of the parts before they are put together to complete the assembly procedure perhaps there would be less need for returns. I'm not talking about spending a half hour per gun polishing trigger components, etc.; just clean up the parts so they don't have tiny pieces of metal falling into the actions where they could become problems. I've never been in a factory like S&W, Colt, or Ruger, so I don't know if this could be possible. Perhaps companies with excellent CS would not need the people repairing returns if they were put together with a little more love. Just by the couple forums I follow, I don't see near the amount of problems with Taurus as with Ruger revolvers. Maybe someone can enlighten me on this?
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I once saw a brand new 1911 .45 in a gunstore for sale and it had a terrible casting flaw in the frame near the front of the trigger guard. It wasn't deep enough to hurt the gun but it sure looked shoddy, however I've owned some Taurus revolvers and autos and they all looked and worked great.
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Have owned two. One was great and the other exceptional.
The exceptiona one was owned along side a Kimber target classic. The Taurus was every bit as accurate and reliable. The only edge the Kimber had was it’s lovable ability to eject all empty cases in a 2 foot area slightly behind and to the right of me. The Taurus tossed them randomly here and there. However, the important part of the ammo was always down range and on target as long as I did my part.
unfortunately both guns suffered at my dislike of picking up brass at the time.
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They are spotty. A friend bought one as a present for a retired cousin, and they both loved it and remarked about how nice the trigger was. This was about 6 or 7 years ago. About 2 years ago another friend bought one and brought to me to ask if I could help the trigger, it was way too hard. I put my trigger gauge on it, and it went way past the 12 lb max on my RCBS gauge, I'm guessing close to 20 lbs. I worked on it for a half a day and got it down to 7 lbs and gave up. I'm thinking the holes weren't drilled to spec, causing unusual pressure on the sear/trigger. He eventually sold it.
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