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As the title says, I am interested in learning more about Sig's.

Are there older models or current for that matter that people collect or place a premium on?

I just have a feeling that some day these are going to be viewed as a collectible in the semi-auto world. Any help is appreciated or let me know if I am way off, too.
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My experience on the Sig forum was that the big attraction for collectibles was for pistols marked "Made in W. Germany".
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Yes early ones made in west Germany command a little higher prices.
Here's my P220 made in west Germany.
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I agree, currently even common models marked "Made in W. Germany" bring at least a slight premium. The X-5 series, and the already expensive Swiss P210s have collector potential. Some rarer Swiss 210s already sell at stratospheric prices. I'd think that the German Legend 210s may have future collector potential since they are also finely made and discontinued....
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If I remember correctly Sig recently discontinued several models or versions there of. I own a P220 and a p239. The P239 has been discontinued and as far as I know there is only one variation of the P220 still being made. The P220 is the pistol that made Sig what it is today. The P239's (in 9mm anyway) may also go up in value as at one time they were considered highly desirable.
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My experience on the Sig forum was that the big attraction for collectibles was for pistols marked "Made in W. Germany".
I'm not a collector, but that's my impression, too. Even more collectible are the early SIG Swiss-made models, especially the legendary P210. The recently introduced revival of the P210 is either a superb updating of the original, or a piece of junk, depending on whom you read. SIG's attempt to create "collectible" US-made firearms by making slight variations in existing models as well as "premium" versions like the Legend series, may or may not have worked. We'll probably not know until several decades have passed. After all, who'd have thought your average $4,000 mid-60s MOPAR Hemi-engined car would bring six figures 50 years later.
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Only Sig I own is a West German marked P220.

Local "Sig guys" here agree with what others have said .... the W German markings bring a little premium.
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Maybe p210, p6/p225, p228....p220's have a following especially the one's in .38 super and then the 10mm p220s'? Still not sure about how"collectible" sigs are-I just love them but am down to one german p220 which is like all the other similar p-series sigs I have owned...boringly accurate and function as well as anything else...cheers
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Back about 1978 had a Browning BDA .45 ACP pistol. It was made by SIG and imported and marked by Browning. It was basically a P220 with a European mag release. Later SIG P220s were imported in the US and marked SIG.
It was a neat pistol I wish I still had. Probably not worth much more than an old P220
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Except for the original 210's, which are collector's pieces, and the slight price premium payed for W. German marked guns (mostly from the perception among many that they were better made than American-produced Sigs), I don't think there are many current "collector" pistols in the Sig lineup.

There are clearly premiums paid for certain Sigs like the Legions (could they become collectible in 20 years?) and some may achieve collector status...say the 9mm P220s or .32acp P230s, but I think Sigs today are more for hardcore shooters who need a specific type of gun, and with all the variations Sig makes on their basic models, they can find just the one they need in the catalog.

When folks were buying the first 39s or CS9s or 5906s they were buying well-made, state of the art "tools," not something they were going to put away for the future. Time made 'em into collectibles.

So will those buying new 320s today find they have something, in 25 years, people will pay a premium for? Maybe. A couple of two years ago you couldn't get beans for a Sig 250 (and I had them in 4 or so calibers and three different grip sizes)...now prices seem way up, at least on Gunbroker. Of course that could be because folks are buying anything that goes BANG these days.

There's a bunch of Sig book around, the one I have, and it's complete up to the 250 is Massad Ayoob's "Gun Digest Book of Sig Sauer." It's got a bunch of reprints of pieces he's done for Gun Digest, but it's a decent history of the company and modestly comprehensive.

If I were really interested in getting an answer to your question, I'd go over to the SigTalk forum and ask there.
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A clear distinction has to be made in between SIG in Neuhausen, SIG Sauer GmbH in Eckernfoerde, SIG Sauer Inc. in Exeter and Sauer & Sohn.

SIG, the Swiss company had developed the P210 and P220 and had fused with Sauer & Sohn to start SIG Sauer to build the P220. They later started SIG Sauer in Exeter and put the production of Sauer & Sohn to Isny.
As to collectible SIG Sauers, the older models are starting to gain collectors interest, especially since SIG Sauer GmbH announced that it will halt production in their Eckernfoerde factory. An early P220 and the somewhat rare stainless mags for that model come to my mind as examples.


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The collectible SIG SAUER guns are the ones that are only marked "SIG".
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I’ve owned at least one of each model in most chamberings from the P220 to P239. In the 80s and 90s they were considered by most in LE to be the Cadillac of duty sidearms. That said, with their ubiquity, I never saw them becoming collector pieces. The only two remaining Sigs are my .40 cal P229 and P232, both of which were my duty guns for most of my LE career. I never had interest in the P210 and the only one I wish I still had is my P220 in .38 Super with the newer (not on the heel) mag release. I don’t particularly care for anything new from Sig except possibly a 220 in 10mm and 365 SAS.
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Thank you everyone for the replies so far, it is appreciated.

My 'gut feeling' is that the tactical 'generation' of collectors may in 20 years get nostalgic for some brand/maker/model semi-autos.

I personally like SIG and was curious what models could potentially be collectible down-the-road.
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The two SIG pistols I have (other than P210's) that might be "collectible" are a P230 in .32 that is supposed to be over-run of a Japanese law enforcement contract and a P220 in .38 Super.

As part of my interest in German law enforcement pistols, I do have one of the "hooked hammer" P6 pistols, but don't think of it as particularly "collectible."
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In the last few years Sig has jumped hard and deep into the plastic market. Prices are slowly creeping up on any of the older all metal guns. Especially the West Germans and P2XX series. As time goes on, more models will be discontinued and collectablity on those will rise.
Personally, I like the older guns and have absolutely no interest in the newer plastic models. I'll just hang on to these.

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If I remember correctly Sig recently discontinued several models or versions there of. I own a P220 and a p239. The P239 has been discontinued and as far as I know there is only one variation of the P220 still being made. The P220 is the pistol that made Sig what it is today. The P239's (in 9mm anyway) may also go up in value as at one time they were considered highly desirable.
For my local gun board I did a SIG guide in 2012 and refreshed it earlier this year. SIG certainly had a lot more models 8 years ago and were busy going nuts with different finishes and what not. Around 2017 they began tightening up the line as consumer appetite for all the different variations began to wane (and civilian gun sales in general here in the U.S.) and most of the compact and subcompact models went away, then the 320 did away with the handful of duty models outside of the 220/226.

As for the collectible ones, the early 220s in 9mm, 7.65, and .38 Super have already been mentioned, along with the 210s which were really only slowed by the introduction of the newer ones.
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Don't discount an original P226 W German that came from the factory in nickel. Saw one at Dallas a few years ago and am still drooling.
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Browning imported Sig 220 are somewhat desirable, they came in 45 acp , 9 mm and ultra rare 38 super. They imported them in the late 70’s. They do command a bit of a premium

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To me. The ones that don't say Sauer.

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The sport series get a premium, especially the 226S. Precursor to the X series. There was also a 220S, and a 229S in .357 & .40.
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Can't speak for others, but it's going to take some $$$ to get my German 220 and 226, plus both my 357 239s, one with a German frame.

My American 220 and 226? Maybe when they aren't as ubiquitous as they are now.
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Depends on what you are looking for... handguns, rifles, shotguns.... military, sporting, civilian?!

I'd say the P210 is desirable, but sure not the best/most collectable gun. Their X line.... well, if you like sporty looking guns. I did like their Elite line... stainless handguns with wooden grips.

Sig-Hammerli handguns are valuable.

They have nice looking shotguns as well, like the SA5 Sporting, TR40 Silver and Gold, TT45, just to name a few.

Rifles are interesting too. There's the Sig AMT (semi auto), SSG3000 (bolt action) or the Sig 50 (bolt action) if you like big guns.

I don't think their current lineup is worth collecting though. Their older models seem more desirable and unique. But that's just my opinion.
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I'd say the P210 is desirable, but sure not the best/most collectable gun. Their X line.... well, if you like sporty looking guns. I did like their Elite line... stainless handguns with wooden grips.
It's still the most accurate slide operated semi auto that I have.

I use it in target competition.

Tried one of the X line. It's good. But I'm better with the 210.
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I gave a P6 with a bunch of Sig magazines for it. Always take it out to the range and rarely does it not get shot. My now discontinued P239 in 40 S&W
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It's hard to believe that there is still so much confusion concerning the original SIG Neuhausen P210. "SIG" was a Swiss incorporated trade name. The only pistol they ever made (at the Neuhausen facility) was the P210. Even before production ended, they were looking for ways to trim expenses, by outsourcing certain parts and eventually CNC machining the frames.
By the time the Swiss were ready for a cheaper service pistol, the "writing was on the wall" that SIG would design it, but someone else would manufacture it.
SIG Sauer was formed as part of a licensing agreement whereby the then-new service pistol design (AKA P220) would be manufactured in Germany by the J.P. Sauer company.

ANDYD (see post #11) and KURUSU (see post #21 and others) underscore the point quite nicely.

The original Swiss made P210, aka SP47/8, exists in its own niche as a high quality sidearm and collectors item.
Since this is the S&W Forum, I suppose an analogy might be to liken the original P210s to a pre-war S&W Registered Magnum in respect to their similar late-production derivatives.

But, deferring back to the OP, yes, the "Made in W. Germany" SIG SAUERs were consistently high quality, thus the rationale for the premium.
Sad to see the German firm close their doors. But, the "collectibility" of "SIG Sauer"s is so far quite limited.

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