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I am interested in a 1930s Colt Revolver for sale on line.
I inquired from the seller (dealer) if a C&R License was acceptable for shipping ?
The dealer answer was the revolver had a four inch barrel so it was not C&R.
Does barrel lengths make a difference ?
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Federally, any gun over 50 years old is C&R, plus specific guns that they maintain a list of.

Federally speaking a colt from the 30's is absolutely C&R, the problem may be the state itself having different regulations. Also, its common that dealers don't know the laws regarding C&R licenses.

Would have to know the state the gun is coming from, and going to, to tell you more. I'm not familiar with this 4" barrel business, but some of the more restrictive states have super weird laws.
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Maybe the dealer is saying the barrel has been cut, therefore no longer C&R as it is "modified" I think he would be wrong but that could be his logic.
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if it was a military issue pistol [ doubtful ] + modified in any way it is not C + R eligible - there is another current thread here discussing this -
quote from earlier post #2 - [ Federally, any gun over 50 years old is C&R, plus specific guns that they maintain a list of.] this is not true in all cases , read CFR's for the numerous exclusions currently in effect -


[ ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics ]

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C&R is for Curios and Relics. Any gun in its original configuration that is 50 years old or more is a Relic and is C&R qualified. The Curios cause problems. These are guns that have been granted C&R status by ATF before they were 50 years old. There is a specific list of those guns. Some people see that list and think a gun must be on that list to quality as C&R. No. Any gun 50 years old is good to go.
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C&R is for Curios and Relics. Any gun in its original configuration that is 50 years old or more is a Relic and is C&R qualified. The Curios cause problems. These are guns that have been granted C&R status by ATF before they were 50 years old. There is a specific list of those guns. Some people see that list and think a gun must be on that list to quality as C&R. No. Any gun 50 years old is good to go.
true - any 50 year old military arm that has been modified from it's original configuration is not C+R eligible - this is clearly stated in all ATF publications + on their current website -

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mere grip change causes loss of C+R status on 70+ year old pistol - several firms are selling original grips at high prices so owners can restore C+R status -
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4 inch barrel curious & relic acceptable.

It was "made that way" and military issue in between 1910(in spite of being accepted in 1908) and 1942.

These were not altered in anyway.

There are not many things more "curious & relic" than these. Almost as recgonizabled World wide as the Colt Single Action Army. And more than the 1911(World wide I mean )


Top to bottom. Made in 1916, made in 1938, made in 1941.
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So, it is cannot be because of barrel lenght. Unless it's not in it's original configuration.
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correct - the top two , 8" + 6" barreled ones were not originally an artillery or naval models , but aftermarket barrel replacements - the other four pictured are in original configuration so they are C+R eligible - the top two are not -
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not true - any 50 year old military arm that has been modified from it's original configuration is not C+R eligible - this is clearly stated in all ATF publications + on their current website -
"Any gun in its original configuration that is 50 years old or more is a Relic and is C&R qualified." I don't know how to state it any more clearly.
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"Any gun in its original configuration that is 50 years old or more is a Relic and is C&R qualified." I don't know how to state it any more clearly.
you are correct - some people just do not comprehend the original configuration in the posted regulation -
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