Not THAT one. We've all seen photos of Patton wearing his Registered Magnum, or his Colt SAA, or both. But how about the general wearing what appears to be a Colt Woodsman?

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If it is a Colt Woodsman, he probably
wanted to see how many .22s it would
take to stop that tank. I'm betting 6.

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He did own one.

My guess is that picture is from the California Arizona Maneuver Area, and the Colt is for Jackrabbits.

But this is just a guess.

I think it's a Woodsman Match Target. I saw photos of it out of the holster.

Cool pic, the General must be spinning in his grave at the state of his beloved Republic.

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Good guess.

From a Guns & Ammo article about Patton’s guns:

“The .45 Auto which Patton carried evidently served with more dependability than the earlier .45s he tried and put aside, yet there is little or no record of his carrying it again. The ivory handled pistol was seen briefly during maneuvers in 1941 but was superseded for a time by a Colt .22 Woodsman! The .22 rode with Patton while he was training tankers in the California­ Arizona desert near Indio, in 1942.

During the period 1919 to 1942, Patton had continued to buy and experiment with personal handguns.”

When you are a Flag Officer, you carry anything you want.

I’m confident that’s a Myres holster it’s riding in.
Regards,
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And unbelievably, I don’t think he’s wearing a neck tie. Odd

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Looks like he's playing with his Smartphone.

He had great taste in handguns, didn’t he?

Yep, that's definitely it!

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I wouldn't blame him if he came back and smacked you for that comment.

Shooting a compass bearing is my guess.

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Then make you drop and give him a dozen.

The Patton homestead in Hamilton, MA is now property of the city. His son's, commander of the 11th ACR in Vietnam, Green Meadows farm transitioned from sustainable organic vegetables to cannabis.

In 1939, then Colonel, George S. Patton commissioned John Alden to design a schooner, he had the ultimate ambition in mind:

"When the war is over, and If I live through it, Bea and I are going to sail her around the world."

He never got the chance, but the "When and If" has had a colorful history in the hands of other owners.

Kinda sad to have seen the changes.

I have a second home on Fort Clark, near Del Rio, Texas. Probably the best example of a preserved frontier cavalry post in the country, the oldest building there goes back to 1856 and is still in use. It was deactivated after WWII. George Patton was the regimental commander of the 5th Cavalry there prior to WWII (he was a Colonel then), and his house is still there, on Officers Row. I had the opportunity to buy it for $250K some years ago, but it was really far too large for my needs, nearly 4000 SF. There is a Fort museum there with numerous pieces of Patton memorabilia, but none of his guns. This is the Patton House:


General Wainright's house is also still there, and has been sold several times while I have lived there. It was Wainright's last command before he was sent to the Philippines, where he was later taken captive by the Japanese. There is a long story about that which I won't go into.

Patton's SAA and S&W Registered Magnum, both with ivory stocks, were at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox when I was stationed there. There was always a puddle of drool on the floor whenever I visited. I guess that the Museum is/has been moved to Ft. Benning now that the Armor School has relocated there. I don't know if his pistols made the trip as well.

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I can think of seven known Patton-owned pistols.

Can any of you list them

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Remington Model 51. One of my favs.

Peacemaker 332088 Patton Museum, Ft. Knox
Peacemaker 351427 Robert S. Patton, stag grips
Colt Model 1905 .38 ? Used in Olympics
S&W Magnum 506 47022 Patton Museum
MT Woodsman ? Family retained
Colt M .380 ACP 135170 Issued to MG A.H. Carter, 1944
Colt M .380 ACP 135301 Issued to GSP
Remington M 51 PA15470 Family retained
Detective Special ? Family retained
Model M .32 ACP ? Family retained
Government Model .45 ACP C108607 Private purchase 3/14/19
Walther PP 381791P Heavily engraved

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The story I read about Patton said he "lightened" the action too much on an M1911, stamped his food and it went off, thereafter he preferred revolvers. He called his S&W Registered Magnum his "killing" gun, supposedly he shot a couple of Villistas with his Colt SAA.

Rattlesnakes too.

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Not many people know that Patton competed in the 1912 Olympic Summer Games in Stockholm.
He competed in the "Modern Pentathlon", consisting of swimming, fencing, horseback riding, running, and pistol shooting. In other words, the events representing essential physical skills of a military officer.
He came in 20th out of 37 competitors for pistol shooting, but argued that what was counted as a miss was a double (two shots in one hole). The use of scoring gauges and (nowadays) electronics largely eliminate this issue.
Nonetheless, Patton loved competition and wanted to participate in the 1916 games. These were canceled due to WWI.
By the late 1920s and 1930s, the semiautomatic .22 pistol was the accepted top choice for the Pentathlon event. The Walther Olympia and Colt Woodsman Target were the preferred choices, with the Walther holding a particular advantage.

The attached photo shows what appears to me to be the Walther Olympia, model of 1926.

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They were still at Ft. Knox a year or so ago.





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Looks like all the G.S. Patton items are remaining at Knox, even though most of the armored vehicles outside went to Benning.

Frequently Asked Questions | Patton Museum

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It looks like it. I once had a friend who had one of them, which had been recovered from a demolished house. It was missing its magazine, we fired it as a single shot.

Would that story involve the name McArthur?
Chuck

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I have often wondered what Patton carried for ammo for his none regulation guns. (The .357 and the big .45 Single action.)

The Hague(1899) convention does not allow ammo that more or less is not F.M.J.

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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I seriously doubt if Gen. Patton cared what The Hague convention allowed when it came to his personal sidearms.

Don

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I don‘t think that would have been his or anyone‘s concern.

Firstly, at that time the Hague Convention was only customary law; there was no international court. Second, it was generally clear that the focus and intent of the convention was on military rifles. The convention‘s prohibitions also were specifically limiited to military use in international conflict, and it is not at all clear that a private, not issued, handgun, even if carried by a general, would have been an actionable offense had he been captured with it on the battlefield, which is the only scenario where this might even have come up.

According to one of the Biographies I read years ago, one of his favorite practices that he engaged in alone and with others was shooting his Colt Woodsman at a metal screen in his cellar at projected movies of attaching soldiers and practicing his commanding orders.

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I had the pleasure to briefly crew on Patton’s schooner, the When and If.








His taste in boats was equal to that of his in firearms.



General George S. Patton’s When and If Schooner - Northshore Magazine

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I can't say whether or not MacArthur was directly involved but it's possible. It had to do with a case of misappropriation of funds and some disgruntled junior officer complaints while he was Commander of the 1st Cavalry Brigade at Fort Clark. It drew some attention from his higher-ups and General Wainwright was later "exiled" to the Philippines. But it did result in his getting a second star. And landing in a Japanese POW camp.

.38 special would have been in the supply chain, the .45 colt would have been an issue. Can you disassemble .45 acp to use the components to load the colt?

I bet He would have loved a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine!

What is the pouch on his belt that
looks like a handcuff case ?

Compass case

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I doubt that he would have had any problem in getting a supply of .45 Colt, .357 magnum, or .380/.32 ACP for whichever caliber his General Officer;s 1908/1902 Colt was issued to him.

Flag officers tell an aide to get it, that aide finds the unit "scrounger", and the desired item miraculously appears in a few hours. Either that, or wifey sends him anything that he wants and it soon arrives via APO mail. It isn't like he is using thousands of rounds of ammo, when you wear stars on your collar a box or two would suffice for the duration.

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The USA was not a signatory to the Hague Convention protocols, and they applied only to signatories. At the present, at least in small arms ammo, we are using what would be called expanding bullet 9mm and 7.62x51 ammunition, maybe a few other calibers used for sniping purposes. The US military has generally followed them for political reasons, not because it was required to. We theoretically could have armed every GI in Vietnam or the sandbox with expanding bullet ammunition, but it was not policy to do so.

It‘s a bit more complicated than that. The United States was in fact a party to both the 1899 and the 1907 Hague conferences; in fact, the second one was called based on an initiative by President Roosevelt. The US became a signatory of all the protocols, EXCEPT (and that’s what matters to our topic) the 1899 declaration about the expanding bullets which the US did not ratify, citing possible military necessity.

Since the focus at The Hague was on “dum-dum“ rifle bullets, it was never actually established whether standard lead bullets fell under the provision.

The widespread use of self-loading weapons by the time of WW II made this largely a non-issue, as the FMJ bullet became universal military issue by default. The FMJ adoption for the .38 revolver calibers seems to have been prophylactic caution.

Nowadays the issue is moot, as the lines between types of conflict are blurred and especially special operations forces use what’s most effective.

We're really in the weeds here but I agree with others that Patton probably wouldn't have had any trouble getting .45 LC and .357 Mag ammo, nor would he care if they had lead bullets.

There was no court to enforce the Hague agreements but during the Nuremberg trials at the end of the war THAT court found that all combatant countries were involved, or at least aware of the provisions and were therefore bound by them, whether they were signatories or not. The OSS was worried enough about the issue that they prohibited their personnel in uniform from using .22 LR with lead bullets in the High Standard HDMS pistols and there was a rush to develop the T-42 ammo with a metal jacket. Plain clothes or undercover operatives could use lead bullets since they expected them to be executed as spies if caught.

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Getting back to the OP, that photo is also in Mas Ayoob's Greatest Handguns book, in the Colt Woodsman chapter. Very enjoyable read.