Okay shotgun experts! Can you ID this shotgun for me?

I don't know a hoot about shotguns. My only shotgun is a Mossberg Model 500 HS410. In these crazy times, I'm starting to think I need something a bit more serious for home protection, but I also have some rather significant physical limitations. So the research has begun... but please, what am I looking at below?

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Remington 100/11-87 maybe? Hard to say without better pics

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SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

The flat bottom of the trigger guard suggests it is not a Remington 1100 but I have no idea of the brand. Any reliable brand of semi-auto 18” barrel shotgun will probably suffice depending on your needs.

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Looks like Mossberg with the safety on top.

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S&W Accumulator

I think you nailed it! It looks like this model with its security barrel installed:

Mossberg Model 930 Field / Security Combo 12 Gauge 015813853255

EDIT: Looks like it can also be bought without the field barrel.

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Ahhh, good eye! I did not notice that (or the flat bottom on the TG for that matter....)

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SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

Looks like we have a winner!

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Agreed. If a 12ga is too much for you, Mossberg has this is a 20ga SA

Mossberg International SA-20 Railed - Pistol Grip | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

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Super Snooper

I am the proverbial one-armed paper hanger in a sense, so it's going to be interesting getting to something that works for me. If I could describe my first thoughts, it would be a "youth" sized tactical style shotgun in 12 gauge and 18.5" barrel length. Too bad I can't find one. Or put another way, I want about what I've got now in the HS410 with a vertical forestock ... only more powerful. I've also got to make sure that it is legal in my moonbat state.

One thing I know: Pistol-grip-only shotguns won't work for me, nor will the Shockwave or similar. I also have to look into AR format shotguns and see if they are legal here. I think at least some are.

At inside the house distances there is absolutely nothing wrong with a .410. After all, it was descended from a .41 rifle ctg. Slug or buckshot you're GTG.

Rob

Yeah, I know. Some of it is psychological. We are moving soon from a relatively small, secure place in a super-secure suburban neighborhood out to the wild, wild west. Thar be wild beasts roaming around out there. I don't think I'd want to face a bear on our deck trying to get in through the glass doors with a .410.

Not that I don't have other options (I do), but I think it's about time for an upgrade.

I was of the opinion that Remington's TAC14 and Mossberg's Shockwave were useless ordinance........Now however I see how you could easily stop a riot or group entry with either one.

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S&W Accumulator

I am pretty sure both are banned in MA anyway.

I vote Mossberg too. Think your right TTSH about the guns. Heck I'm surprised your allowed to breathe in MA. Can't even buy a pack of menthol cigs anymore!!

Being you are already familiar with the controls and operation of a Mossberg pump action shotgun take a a look at this model.

It checks off all the boxes that you are looking for as it has the youth/tactical 13” LOP, a 5 Round Magazine Tube Capacity (which is even good to go in NYC) and the forend is capable of accepting a vertical grip.

590 - Thunder Ranch | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

Did you look at the Mossberg that I posted the link for?
20ga, semi-auto, 12 3/4 in LOP, 20 inch barrel.

Vertical forestocks can be added to any Mossberg 500, 590
Skip the first part of this about the pistol grip & start at 2.
The Best Mossberg 500 and 590 Upgrades - Pew Pew Tactical

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Super Snooper

Looks like that would be pretty close to ideal for me with a vertical foregrip. I don't need the camo or the fancy 'Thunder Ranch" logo, but size-wise, it's a winner!

I did. I'd have to find one in a shop to figure out if it would work for me and my unique needs. I'd need a vertical foregrip on it for sure.
Yes (Thank God!). That's a critical need for me. Right now I'm kinda thinking that the ideal shotgun for me would be the one pictured in my first post... but with a vertical foregrip (assuming it would be the same length shown and not look silly mismatched or weird).

Need some more details in regard to your "one armed bandit" physical limitations. Do you need the vertical forearm to hold/balance the gun or are you referring to using it to operate a pump auction shotgun? The Mossberg 930 is a semi-auto(autoloader), not a pump action. I could be wrong but I doubt there are vertical forearms made for the 930.

Mossberg made a tactical pump 12 ga model 500 back in the 1990's.
The Bullpup, available in 5 or 8 round, with the vertical forearm.
BUT, it is the heaviest shotgun I ever handled, don't know the actual weight but guessing around 12#.

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Super Snooper

There's a long medical name for it, but it amounts to very limited motion and little strength in my left forearm and wrist. I can operate my HS410 pump, but only because it is kid-sized and has that vertical foregrip. There is a whole long story to tell behind that HS410 shotgun, but I'll save it for another day.

All morning I've been trying to check on our MA moonbat gun laws re: shotguns AND check on what's available for sale in my area. Doesn't look like I have many good choices. I'm headed out to another dealer right after lunch.

Given your condition I'd probably look into a semi auto rather than a pump.

OK, I understand the left arm weakness, but I don't understand your need for the vertical forearm on an autoloader(semiauto). The left hand does nothing except help support the gun.

Al lot more expensive than the Mossberg but Benelli makes a fine line of Tactical/home security shotguns, M4 and M2, both autoloaders.

Or Beretta 1301

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Super Snooper

TTSH, I can appreciate where you are coming from. After my MVA, when the doctors rebuilt my shoulder (98% torn rotator cuff), the muscle that provides the strength to lift stuff snapped. While I have movement of my arm, I can't hold a rifle up more than perhaps 5 minutes before I get a severe burning sensation. That injury is preventing me from position shooting.

When it comes to using shotguns, I am able to support the shotgun for trap and hunting, but not for extended periods of time. Working the action on my Remington 870 is painful and cuts short my shooting sessions. I have better endurance when I use my Browning A5 or Gold, since it reduces movement of the injured arm.

I would pay careful attention to the "offending features" for assault weapons in your stated. A vertical handgrip could be a banned feature.

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That aspect shouldn't matter... or at least I don't think it should. It's more about the gun's geometry and how I have to hold it.

My forearm and wrist won't rotate (twist) to get my hand under a regular foregrip. I'd have to hold it like in the photo below.

Yeah, way too expensive for this poor old man. But at the same time, I don't want cheap import either like the Stevens 320 Security pump action 12 gauge (Made in Communist China). Too bad because at least one is available locally.

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That's a bummer. I have lived with this for over 70 years, so I am kind of used to my situation by now. The problem is more the lack of range of motion rather than the pain and weakness (although all three are ever present). The weakness is actually a secondary effect from not being able to move my arms. No movement means no muscle development.

I am still looking into that. There is a lot of conflicting information out there. Funny thing about the Internet: Whether it's right info or wrong info or just outdated info due to a change in the law, it all lives out there forever.

Revisiting this, I see that at least one large MA shop is offering the Mossberg Shockwave for sale, although out of stock as we speak. Given that the shop in question is known to be a "100% by the book" shop including AG Maura's secret regs, I'd say the Shockwave must be legal in MA after all.

After all this discourse and finding the real problem with your arm I think your best bet is to get the best possible ammo for your Mossberg 410HS.
You are familiar with it and know how to handle it.

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Super Snooper

It does fit and work perfectly. It's why I own it. It was my first long gun ever and it still serves me well.

But it's still only a .410 and with our change of locale and living situation, I'm feeling I need something more appropriate to our new digs.

I don't think it's going to be terribly hard to find something (and modify, if necessary) to fit my needs. The real problem is my moonbat state's rules and the current guns & ammo buying frenzy that has left so many of my local shops close to empty.

I collect handguns. This shotgun shopping thang is all new to me... ... but I'm learning. I sincerely appreciate the help!

As a fellow MA inmate I am aware that extending a magazine tube on a SEMI-AUTO shotgun can turn it into an assault weapon as defined by the MA rules. The best source of good info would be a quick call to GOAL, the state rifle and pistol association.

I'm slowly plowing through the minutia on my own. I haven't actually called GOAL, but their website is not very helpful in regard to shotguns. You are correct, however, that a post-ban semi-auto shotgun is limited to 5 rounds and it has other restrictions that could potentially bounce you into AWB territory if you started making too many modifications.

The pumps are not nearly so crazy over-regulated.

What is that thing on the side of the action in the photo in the original post. Seems to be partially blocking the action port, some sort of empty shell catcher like used on a Trap gun?

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The picture is a little weird & blurry but what you are looking at is an oversized charging knob.

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Super Snooper

Depending on how your state's rulers define a HD shotgun the 930 would make a fine HD shotgun...

This one holds 10 shells (2 3/4) in a Nordic Components tube. It can hold 12 if you 'ghost load' (which I don't). The looks alone could make a wild beast or intruder pass out.




Good luck, and stay safe.

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Thanks, makes sense

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OGCA SWCA NRA

Well, I've made my top two picks (Mossberg 590 and Remington 870, both very popular tactical pumps) only to find out that neither shotgun is available locally or anywhere on-line. If I want to order or buy a tactical pump shotgun today, it will have to be a brand/model made in China that I may not be able to modify so easily to add the required vertical foregrip. No thanks.

I'm still considering semi-auto shotguns, but the ones I might want aren't available either. The 5-shot limitation in MA on post-ban semi-autos is not a plus. Research on the ability (availability & legality) to add a vertical foregrip will continue.

For now, I will stick with my Mossberg .410 and wait until shotgun production catches up with demand. It could be a very long wait.

If you haven't fired a short 12ga with buckshot, you need to before buying. I have hunted with full size 12ga for 60 yrs, but when I shot a sawed off 18" 12ga pump with hi brass #5's, I decided the 20g was plenty for what i needed.

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Charlie

Not a shotgun expert but I’m pretty sure that wedding band is a Kay jewelers model 769.

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Thirty characters. Exactly...

Understood. If a 20 gauge will stop my design basis bear-on-the-deck-opening-the-French-door, I'm all for it. Otherwise, my aging, weak shoulder and arms are going to have to take the beating.

LOL!!! Okay wise guy!

It so happens my son and myself are both looking at new "tactical" shotguns to add to our collections. FWIW, he has decided on a Rem 870 Tactical and I on a Beretta 1301 LE. Of course they are both out of stock or prices are nuts.
Fortunately, these are not "needs", only "wants" so we will wait until after the election and see what happens.
Ed

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For now, I will stick with my Mossberg .410 and wait until shotgun production catches up with demand. It could be a very long wait. [/QUOTE]

In my opinion that's good thinking. Larry

Well, as a suggestion there are as far as I can tell over 300 Remington 870's for sale buy it now or bid, on GunBroker. You have options if you don't mind the process requesting your LGS to email their FFL Lic. along with your buyer info. etc. to the seller.

A very fair question given that I didn't specify which model Remington 870 I chose as my second place choice.

OK. You have options then, Good luck.

A little word of warning about Bud's, it was out of stock, back when you saw it, when back in stock you will get an email and the price will be MUCH higher than when you first looked at it.
Just had that happen with a Taurus Public Defender, price was $359. now it is $479.

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Super Snooper

That's happening all over. These are crazy times.

I just randomly picked Bud's for the photo and description. I won't be buying from them. I don't think they even ship to MA. I use gun.deals to watch for availability and best pricing.