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Old 08-29-2020, 10:00 PM
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IMHO- if you want a Colt 1911 in your collection, a Series 70 (or earlier) blued Government Model is the epitome of the breed.

If you want a fine 1911 to actually shoot, look at a Dan Wesson.
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One of our forum members posted this pic elsewhere. It’s a Wiley Clapp.

Beautiful gun.



Looks like that pic came from this excellent review:
Pistol Review: Wiley Clapp 1911 Government Model from Colt

I did add a larger thumb safety - took about 30 minutes (with YouTube) to file and fit - easy job.
Also extended mag release and new grips.

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I thought they just recently came out with a series 70's configuration of that one.
The lines have kinda blurred. My Colt Rail Gun (among some of the other Colt’s I own) has a Series 80 firing pin block (which is not a deal-breaker for me). I don’t know of a newly produced Model 1991.
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I’ve been looking for plain Jane series 70 for carry. I’ve owned many 1911s all GIs and Colts. Wish I kept one. I never had much use for 1911 when I had them. I only trust 2 pistols Colt or GI 1911 and S&W K or N revolver.
I don’t mind paying $800 for decent shooter but not $1800.
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The lines have kinda blurred. My Colt Rail Gun (among some of the other Colt’s I own) has a Series 80 firing pin block (which is not a deal-breaker for me). I don’t know of a newly produced Model 1991.
Colt has definitely blurred the lines on their catalog. For a while, pretty much all pistols where Series 80s, with the exception of the return of a some classic models. Now it seems the traditional 1911s have returned to the Series 70 design, with old style roll marks.

The 1991 also had two models. The original 1991A1 was a GI-style matte finish Series 80, made in the 1990s. It had a large 1911A1 roll mark. The second was the 1991, a Series 80 blue finish with a vintage Colt's Government Model roll mark. Both had long triggers and flat MSHs. Both have been replaced by Series 70 1911 Classic with a short trigger, flat MSH.

They are all good guns. I prefer to keep it simple: they are all Colt Government models to me. In my experience, what ever problems Colt has had with other guns, they always got the 1911 right.
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The first thing anyone does on a comp 1911, unless it's a custom, is get a bushing fitted and a trigger job. It isn't that expensive. Going thru production 1911's looking for an accurate comp pistol is a waste of time and money.

The OP didn't ask about other 1911's. He ask about a Colt. I have a gov't model that will shoot like a comp pistol right out of the box. Never been tuned. You could buy 20 production 1911's and never get one like that, but it was a freak assembly and I know it.
My disappointment came in the 70's. As the Colt "Gold Cup" was advertised as a match pistol, I expected it to perform like a match pistol. It was not up to the demands of outdoor 2700 shooting, like I had hoped. I'm sure that it is fine for those whose standards for accuracy are much less demanding than outdoor bullseye pistol shooting. A part on my Gold Cup broke at a match. Luckily a top shooter loaned me his custom 1911 back up pistol to finish the match. That opened my eyes. For a pistol that is imprinted with "National Match" and "Gold Cup", I found it lacking for my purposes.
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I would get a regular Gov't model or if carry is a consideration, a lightweight Commander. Both in .45 ACP.
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My Colt Gold Cup wouldn't group well at 50 yards and I was using it to shoot outdoor 2700 bullseye pistol matches. I'll grant you that, as you say, if I had had the barrel bushing replaced, it might have done better. The trigger was nothing to write home about either. There certainly are better options than Colt out there.
The Gold Cups built in the 60's and 70's generally had 3.5 - 3.75 pound triggers out of he box. After a few thousand rounds, that would typically drop to 3.25 or so - sometimes even lower. Today's new models are about 4.25 - 4.75 and are probably that way due to the Lawyers. Even at that weight, they are usually as crisp as a fresh Ritz Cracker.

I will take you at your word (anything is possible and once in a while a bad one sneaks out), but personally I haven't seen one yet that won't out shoot their owners. In fact they come with a target from the Factory when purchased new. If I ever got one like that I'd send it back to the Factory. They are pretty accommodating.

When I shot Bullseye competition almost every .45acp was a Colt. Yes there were some Kimber's, Wilson's, Ed Brown's, etc. but I'd say 60-70% were either Gold Cups or modified Colts.

BTW My Gold Cup has the Finger Barrel Bushing that was supposed to fail prematurely. Well so far mine has over 30,000 rounds through it and is still the original one. I did buy a few extras just in case and I did have to replace one on a Gov't Series 80 which did make a very slight difference in accuracy (for the better).
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The Gold Cups built in the 60's and 70's generally had 3.5 - 3.75 pound triggers out of he box. After a few thousand rounds, that would typically drop to 3.25 or so - sometimes even lower. Today's new models are about 4.25 - 4.75 and are probably that way due to the Lawyers. Even at that weight, they are usually as crisp as a fresh Ritz Cracker.

I will take you at your word (anything is possible and once in a while a bad one sneaks out), but personally I haven't seen one yet that won't out shoot their owners. In fact they come with a target from the Factory when purchased new. If I ever got one like that I'd send it back to the Factory. They are pretty accommodating.

When I shot Bullseye competition almost every .45acp was a Colt. Yes there were some Kimber's, Wilson's, Ed Brown's, etc. but I'd say 60-70% were either Gold Cups or modified Colts.

BTW My Gold Cup has the Finger Barrel Bushing that was supposed to fail prematurely. Well so far mine has over 30,000 rounds through it and is still the original one. I did buy a few extras just in case and I did have to replace one on a Gov't Series 80 which did make a very slight difference in accuracy (for the better).
When I retired from bullseye pistol competition, there were mostly custom pistols being used. They were built by the top bullseye pistolsmiths of the time, like Mike Curtis, Larry Leutenegger, Giles, David Sams, Best, Masaki, Jim Clark, etc. Many of the older custom guns were built on Colt frames and slides. Rock River is a good choice too. Neither Wilson or Ed Brown was popular for bullseye pistol matches, although they make good guns for other purposes. I never saw a master or high master shoot a box stock Gold Cup. I don't remember the Gold Cup test target being fired at a great distance. I still own a couple of custom 1911's built on Colt frames and slides. Earlier you said that any match pistol needs a trigger job and a new bushing replaced. Now you defend the original parts. I think your Gold Cup is the exception, rather than the rule.
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I own a bunch of 1911s, mostly custom Colts. If I was in the market for a new Colt to be first/only "do everything" 1911 I'd be looking at the Wiley Clapp Government or the Competition Plus. They have the most features for the money and are solid, well built, accurate guns right out of the box.
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I'm going to recommend a different path. Back many years ago I acquired a pair of Series 70 Colts that had been customized by John Giles, an old time pistolsmith, as "hard ball" guns for competition. They have adjustable sights and a nice crisp 4 pound trigger pull. I remember on a PPC course cutting the X-ring at 7 yards.

There were a number of famous pistolsmiths back in the 1940s-1970s, men like John Giles, Jim Clark, Austin Behlert and Bob Chow who supplied competition guns like this. As the bullseye shooters of those eras have retired or passed on, these guns are starting to come on the market at reasonable prices considering the amount of work done. One of these guns may be the ticket.
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I can attest for the Colt Wiley Clapp, great pistol, 70 series, NM Barrel, but I just wished he'd used nite sights on it instead of the plain notch and brass bead though. I have the LW Commander.
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I've owned several Colts, and all have been disappointing.
Colt Combat Elite NIB....
Colt National Match Gold Cup reintroduction
Colt Series 70 Reintroduction NIB
Colt Classic Series 70 with 1950's era rollmark NIB.

Typical issues, slide lock not fitted correctly, tooling marks, boogered screws from the factory. Unreliable out of the box with factory ball, and supplied magazine. Overall poor quality control. I ran into the CEO at the AUSA convention in 2014, voiced my concerns, being a former Marine, his response was "We have union employees".

The one Colt that did run out of the box was the M1991A1 reintroduction. A buddy wanted it badly, so I sold it to him.

Another close friend recently purchased a NIB Springfield 1911 and it too has issues.

I would steer clear of the .45 ACP...ammunition is becoming unobtainable.

If you insist on getting a Colt, find a pre-series 70.
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Cheapskate that I am, I rarely buy new, my Colt Mark IV, satin finish Combat Commander and AMT Hardballer (yes!) have served me well for over 40 years. I had MMC sights installed on the Combat Commander's slide-much easier to see, had high fixed sights installed on the Mark IV's slide when I shot IPSC-then I found another Mark IV slide.
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I also have a Colt Officers Enhanced LW 80 series that runs flawlessly, in fact, it's my daily carry gun out of all the guns I have. Never had a single hiccup either. This particular guns only one weak spot is it's end plug which I eliminated by going with an EGW FLGR/full hat end plug system.
I've never had any issues finding ammo myself, maybe it's a "location" thing?
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You should be really confused by now. So simplify things and get a Dan Wesson.
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Take a look at the Colt Gunsite. It’s a 5 inch series 70 with nice features, including a dehorn and undercut front strap. Front night sight. I switched my sights out to a Harrison U notch rear and gold bead front.
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I have a few from a 1911, made into a hardball gun by a Military Armorer, a 1911A1 from WW2, a C-prefix Shockley (builder of a better mouse trap), a Jim Clark Series 70 Government, a Combat Commander and others. My favorite to shoot and carry is the Combat Commander and also use it for my night stand gun. Keep thinking about a Commander LW to add to the group but all are Colts. Can't go wrong with any of them.
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I also have a Colt Officers Enhanced LW 80 series that runs flawlessly, in fact, it's my daily carry gun out of all the guns I have. Never had a single hiccup either. This particular guns only one weak spot is it's end plug which I eliminated by going with an EGW FLGR/full hat end plug system.
I've never had any issues finding ammo myself, maybe it's a "location" thing?
That's a beautiful pistol.
I like the Enhanced Colts myself.
Easily identified by a serial number that ends in E.
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That's a beautiful pistol.
I like the Enhanced Colts myself.
Easily identified by a serial number that ends in E.
Thank you very much, a lot of work and money has gone into it.
I love them too.
In reality, the only thing left Colt on this is the ignition system because the trigger couldn't get any better and the slide and frame. Everything else in or on the gun has been upgraded to Wilson Combat bullet proof and a couple of other components by EGW (FL guide rod & end plug), Clark (hand fit oversized bushing) and Stan Chen (SI Magwell).
I reversed crowned the barrel the other night and I'm having a stainless thumb safety (Wilson, of course) installed as we speak.
I'm trying to find somebody that can install my Wilson Trijicon Pyramids now and then this project will be completed.
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Thank you very much, a lot of work and money has gone into it.
I love them too.
In reality, the only thing left Colt on this is the ignition system because the trigger couldn't get any better and the slide and frame. Everything else in or on the gun has been upgraded to Wilson Combat bullet proof and a couple of other components by EGW (FL guide rod & end plug), Clark (hand fit oversized bushing) and Stan Chen (SI Magwell).
I reversed crowned the barrel the other night and I'm having a stainless thumb safety (Wilson, of course) installed as we speak.
I'm trying to find somebody that can install my Wilson Trijicon Pyramids now and then this project will be completed.
Here are few more shots for you.
Details everywhere you look on your pistol.
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My goodness! all of the overthinking. Commander, light weight. Series 80 is fine. Series 70 is not any better and lacks the extra safety the 80 modification supplies.

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What you want is a Stainless MkIV government model made in 1986 that comes with the two factory magazines and 5 additional magazines. I would spend no more than $1000 shipped. I know somebody that might part with mi..his.
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My goodness! all of the overthinking. Commander, light weight. Series 80 is fine. Series 70 is not any better and lacks the extra safety the 80 modification supplies.
The early versions of the Commander had issues with the aluminum receiver cracking. I don't think the Series 80 had those issues, I'm not sure what Colt did, but somewhere along the line something changed and the cracking issue was greatly reduced or eliminated. Cracks would form where the frame rail/recoil abutment met the dust cover, the ultimate result was the dust cover parting company with the rest of the receiver.
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I owned a series 70 Gold Cup back in the day. The accuracy certainly was NOT up to match standards. The roll pin holding the rear sight would work loose and the trigger pull was not great. The collet bushings also tended to break. The slide to frame fit wasn't up to to the standards of today's premium 1911's. If I were going to buy a Colt 1911 today, it would be a Colt Defender.
That has been my experience. My Colt 1911s were from the early 1970s. Those weren't good guns and certainly not up to what is today expected of a nice 1911. The current production...well I looked at these often, played with the triggers, fit etc..but come on...

I'd seriously go for option #8: Some other....

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The early versions of the Commander had issues with the aluminum receiver cracking. I don't think the Series 80 had those issues, I'm not sure what Colt did, but somewhere along the line something changed and the cracking issue was greatly reduced or eliminated. Cracks would form where the frame rail/recoil abutment met the dust cover, the ultimate result was the dust cover parting company with the rest of the receiver.
I'm pretty sure that it was "Shooting Times" magazine that did a torture test on the lightweight Colt Commander back in the early 70's. They fired 10,000 rounds through one and the frame did crack. I'm one of those who believe that aluminum framed pistols are meant to carry a lot and not shoot them a ton (10,000 rounds).
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After building my own and owning many of the other brand (including Colt), I recommend an original Colt Series 70 Gold Cup National Match. I have built and bought over 75 M1911's over the years and the Colt Series 70 Gold Cup National Match is the one that I still have.
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After building my own and owning many of the other brand (including Colt), I recommend an original Colt Series 70 Gold Cup National Match. I have built and bought over 75 M1911's over the years and the Colt Series 70 Gold Cup National Match is the one that I still have.
So you've never had a problem with the roll pin holding the Eliason sight backing out? You like the little tiny spring which is supposed to keep the sear in the same position? You like the collet barrel bushing? My biggest gripe is that it is roll marked into the slide what I consider to be false. In my experience the pistol isn't capable of winning the Gold Cup Trophy at Camp Perry primarily due to its inability to shoot good groups at 50 yards.
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So you've never had a problem with the roll pin holding the Eliason sight backing out? You like the little tiny spring which is supposed to keep the sear in the same position? You like the collet barrel bushing? My biggest gripe is that it is roll marked into the slide what I consider to be false. In my experience the pistol isn't capable of winning the Gold Cup Trophy at Camp Perry primarily due to its inability to shoot good groups at 50 yards.
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Have never had the type of problems that you describe. My original Series 70 Gold Cup National Match has a solid pin, not a roll pin that holds the rear sight, it has never backed out. I do not have a tiny spring that keeps the sear in the same position. The colleted barrel bushing has never been a problem for me, maybe I got lucky and all of mine have been properly fitted. The Series 70 NMGC (as manufactured in the 1970's) has always been (for me) more accurate than any other M1911 style pistol off the shelf. Now they are probably not going to win at Camp Perry (neither am I). I will promise you that the guns that win at Camp Perry have been highly tweaked by various armorers. GySgt. Brian Zins, USMC(RET.), was not shooting an out of the box pistol. I can assure you that probably the Quantico WTB/MTU worked some magic on his guns. I never had a problem shooting good groups at 25 or 50 yards with a Series 70 NMGC 30 - 40 years ago, nowadays not so good.

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So you've never had a problem with the roll pin holding the Eliason sight backing out? You like the little tiny spring which is supposed to keep the sear in the same position? You like the collet barrel bushing? My biggest gripe is that it is roll marked into the slide what I consider to be false. In my experience the pistol isn't capable of winning the Gold Cup Trophy at Camp Perry primarily due to its inability to shoot good groups at 50 yards.
FWIW, my 70 Series Gold Cup hasn't been shot much, maybe around 1,000-1,500 rounds of hardball, and the pin shows no sign of backing out. Granted, that's not a lot of rounds.

I did replace the collet bushing on mine with a solid match grade bushing, as well as a link job for better lock-up.

And I hate the sear depressor spring. It's a royal pain when detail stripping. Ask me how I know.

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My original Series 70 Gold Cup National Match has a solid pin, not a roll pin that holds the rear sight, it has never backed out.
FWIW, I got curious and just double checked mine. It has a solid pin, too.
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FWIW, my 70 Series Gold Cup hasn't been shot much, maybe around 1,000-1,500 rounds of hardball, and the pin shows no sign of backing out. Granted, that's not a lot of rounds.

I did replace the collet bushing on mine with a solid match grade bushing, as well as a link job for better lock-up.

And I hate the sear depressor spring. It's a royal pain when detail stripping. Ask me how I know.
My gun has about 70,000+ rounds through it. The pin is still in place.

I have seen a colletted bushing break. A gunsmith friend showed me where it was not properly fitted. He was Jim MacDonald of MAC's .45 Shop of Seal Beach, CA., may he RIP. Good man and a great .45 Smith.

My pistol does not have a sear depressor spring in it. Is that a Series 80? Did they continue that when they reproduced the Series 70's?

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No. Mine is an original Series 70 gun. It's been a while since I've checked, but I believe mine was made in the early 80s. Maybe it wasn't added until late in the series?

IIRC, the reason for the sear depressor spring was to keep the gun from going full-auto. The trigger is wider than other 1911s, and made from steel, so noticeably heavier. The idea was that the heavy trigger made it possible to trip the sear unintentionally during firing. I believe it was called "sear bounce." At least in theory. I'm not aware of this actually happening. However, I did do a test for it once after, ahem, losing the spring to see if it was true. Basically, with an unloaded gun, you lock the slide back, point the muzzle up, and release the slide (obviously, not something one should do multiple times). If the hammer follows, then you got a problem. In my case, the hammer followed. I did the test only once more (so twice, total) after the sear depressor spring was re-installed, and the hammer stayed cocked.

If you have a lightweight alloy trigger, it shouldn't be a problem if you don't have the depressor spring. It also may be possible that older Series 70 GC guns had normal width triggers, so not as heavy and thus not an issue. I don't know.

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No. Mine is an original Series 70 gun. It's been a while since I've checked, but I believe mine was made in the early 80s. Maybe it wasn't added until late in the series?

IIRC, the reason for the sear depressor spring was to keep the gun from going full-auto. The trigger is wider than other 1911s, and made from steel, so noticeably heavier. The idea was that the heavy trigger made it possible to trip the sear unintentionally during firing. I believe it was called "sear bounce." At least in theory. I'm not aware of this actually happening. However, I did do a test for it once after, ahem, losing the spring to see if it was true. Basically, with an unloaded gun, you lock the slide back, point the muzzle up, and release the slide (obviously, not something one should do multiple times). If the hammer follows, then you got a problem. In my case, the hammer followed. I did the test only once more (so twice, total) after the sear depressor spring was re-installed, and the hammer stayed cocked.

If you have a lightweight alloy trigger, it shouldn't be a problem if you don't have the depressor spring. It also may be possible that older Series 70 GC guns had normal width triggers, so not as heavy and thus not an issue. I don't know.
Nope, nothing like that in my pistol. I believe that something they incorporated in the Series 80 design. I owned a Series 80 slide once for an afternoon. It did not want to work on my Caspian frame, so back to the dealer it went for a Government Slide.
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There's my old 1911 that I got through the DCM in 1961. I used it for everything. After I joined the Army, it went everywhere the Army allowed and, perhaps, some places it didn't. Over a 100 years old now, it's semi-retired.

The day to day workhorse is 1973 Combat Commander I got second hand in the Eighties. I installed the long GI trigger and the straight mainspring housing. It gets carried in a old Commander sized Bianchi shadow. That's the set up that was used local USPSA club matches until the club got done in by the county zoning.

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No, like I said, my Series 70 GCNM has it, though they did include it in the Series 80 guns. I did a little Interweb digging, and I found a comment on another forum that it was added later in the series, so early Series 70 GCNMs didn't have it. Here's a picture I found:



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No, like I said, my Series 70 GCNM has it, though they did include it in the Series 80 guns. I did a little Interweb digging, and I found a comment on another forum that it was added later in the series, so early Series 70 GCNMs didn't have it. Here's a picture I found:



OP, sorry for the thread derailment.
Maybe it was removed from mine before I bought it.
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Maybe it was removed from mine before I bought it.
Certainly possible. If it still has the original sear, you could always look to see if it has the hole in it for the depressor spring if you're curious.
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Certainly possible. If it still has the original sear, you could always look to see if it has the hole in it for the depressor spring if you're curious.
Will look the next time I tear it done to clean it.
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Well, I came to a couple of decisions after reading all of the feedback to my thread....

1. I will need to purchase more than one 1911 to satisfy my needs (no surprise there)

2. I know I may receive some negative feedback but the first 1911 that I found to my liking was a new 80 series Gold Cup Trophy.

For all the 70 series fans out there.....rest easy, it’s the next one on my list.... I just need some time to find the right one. I will be opening my search criteria and my wallet to find the “Love of my Life” 1911. I will keep you all posted as I proceed through my journey.

Thank you all for your contribution to my search!
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Congratulations, very nice gun

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with a series 80s

I have this 1992 GCNM and it is the most accurate 1911 I own (out of 15). Shot at 25 meters offhand


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Thanks CLASSIC12.....

Thanks for sharing your pics!!

Very nice gun and very nice grouping there!
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1. I will need to purchase more than one 1911 to satisfy my needs (no surprise there)

2. I know I may receive some negative feedback but the first 1911 that I found to my liking was a new 80 series Gold Cup Trophy.

For all the 70 series fans out there.....rest easy, it’s the next one on my list.... I just need some time to find the right one. I will be opening my search criteria and my wallet to find the “Love of my Life” 1911. I will keep you all posted as I proceed through my journey.

Thank you all for your contribution to my search!
I think that after you experience the joy that the 1911 can bring, one will just be the start of an addiction. Looking forward to reading a range report on your new Colt Series 80 Gold Cup Trophy.
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And there is absolutely nothing wrong with a series 80s

I have this 1992 GCNM and it is the most accurate 1911 I own (out of 15). Shot at 25 meters offhand


It's refreshing to see a decent group fired off hand at 25 meters. Lately, in America, shooters and gun writers have been dumbed down to test for accuracy at 15, 10 or even 7 yards. They test from a rest. Nice to see that there are still folks who know how to align the sights and manipulate the trigger without disturbing that alignment!
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Colt Combat Commander XSE because it is easy to carry and shoots great
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I never chose to acquire a Colt National Match pistol, as I had this GI Ithaca 1911A1 accurized by a very competent gunsmith when I was in the Army. I shot many, many matches with it and it never failed me either for accuracy or functioning.

I upgraded it with some more modern components after my service days, and shot it a lot afterwards.

I carried it in preference to my arms room pistol when I was on active duty in the Army, and also when I was in the Arizona Army National Guard. This gun was my first centerfire autoloader, and it's one of my personal favorite guns.

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Thanks to Cellar Hound's recent 1911 threads, my interest in the 1911 has been rekindled. I've always liked them, but they've tended to take a back seat to my carry guns. I went to the range this morning to give my 1911s a workout. They've been in storage for over 20 years, which was also the last time I shot them. I did give them a thorough cleaning and inspection after pulling them out of storage, and changed the recoil springs just to be on the safe side. I've also been doing a lot of dry fire practice with them lately, to the point I actually had to throw away one of my snap caps due to wear.

I didn't fire a lot of rounds. Each one fired 25 rounds of Speer Lawman 230gr TMJ, followed by 25 rounds of Federal 230gr HST, using 3 7-round Colt mags with Metalform followers, using my minimal reliability test protocol for self defense guns. Both guns passed without a hiccup. I don't plan on using my 1911s for carry/defensive purposes, but it is nice knowing they should be reliable enough if I need to press them into service.

I am nowhere near CLASSIC12's level of skill, but I thought I'd share my targets. All shots were fired at 7 yards, 2-handed, no rest, and most of the flyers were called. I should also mention that in the past I've had a tendency to drop shots when shooting SA, which has recurred here. Not sure what it is, exactly. I think it might be the "wall" when the sear breaks, rather than the "roll" of a DA trigger.

First, my Series 80 Government Model:



Next, my Series 70 Gold Cup National Match:



I wish I could say these were rapid fire drills, but no, each shot was aimed.

Obviously not a precision marskman. But considering I hadn't shot these guns in over 20 years, I hadn't done any shooting in the last 4 months or so, and I had to deal with fatigue from health issues, I'd say it still wasn't very good. But I had fun, something which has been lacking in my life for the past year.

And who knows? I may even reconsider getting a 1911 for carry.

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I have to say that the Wiley Clapp guns mentioned are excellent choices.
A .45 Commander in blue is what I bought for my very first gun on my 21st birthday long ago. I still have it. It still makes me want to head to the range. So there's that.
But one Colt I haven't seen mentioned here that deserves a look is the custom shop GM variant, the Special Combat Government Model (not the same as the other Combat or Competition versions).
Mine is from about 1998. For almost two decades, it was my every-Sunday USPSA match gun. It probably has more than 150,000 rounds through it by now. It's on the second barrel and several other wear parts as well.
In a Ransom, I can get it down to about an inch at 25 yards, maybe a tick less if I make better ammo.
In competition, it simply never failed, not if the ammunition I stuffed into it was anything better that sewer-cover grade.
It's one of those things that you don't appreciate too much at the time, until you look back and see what a great device it was.
And still is. Still the same rock-solid, 200 rounds plus a week gun.
Mine is the satin-nickel frame, blue slide version. Some of the controls are not original and the finish may be off. It was a working gun, so I didn't care too much to get the thing refinished only to beat it up again the following Sunday morning.
The only picture I found in this computer is pretty awful. It looks rusty and scratched up, but it's not really. Just a bit worn. The nickel finish is just as deep and understated as it was on day one and not too much of the slide's blue got worn off in the thousands of draws from my old Galco range holster.
One truly excellent gun.

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My last post gave me great information, so it’s time to take it to the next level. Many said “If you only have one 1911, it should be a Colt”. I know other brands may be just as good or better but I want to have a piece of history. So, let’s just say I’m prepared to buy a Colt. What 1911 should it be?

1. Colt Gold Cup Trophy
2. Colt Gold Cup National Match
3. Colt Government Model
4. Colt Special Government Model
5. Colt Combat Commander XSE
6. Colt Custom
7. Some other Colt

Please give me your opinion on Colt Options. I’m looking for a range/night stand gun. I am prepared to spend up to $2,000. All of your feedback is appreciated.

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Lots of suggestions against a 80 series. During a tumultuous drug house raid in Miami, my condition 1 Colt Gvt Series 80 was knocked from my hand and landed hammer down on a cement floor. For an instant, I was looking down the barrel. It landed with enough force to snap the ampi thumb safety pin in half. But it did not discharge and shoot me in the face. For me, its a series 80 forever. I can overcome the difference in the trigger, not a hole in my head.
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