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Old 08-29-2020, 10:00 PM
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IMHO- if you want a Colt 1911 in your collection, a Series 70 (or earlier) blued Government Model is the epitome of the breed.

If you want a fine 1911 to actually shoot, look at a Dan Wesson.
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Old 08-29-2020, 10:50 PM
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One of our forum members posted this pic elsewhere. Itís a Wiley Clapp.

Beautiful gun.



Looks like that pic came from this excellent review:
Pistol Review: Wiley Clapp 1911 Government Model from Colt

I did add a larger thumb safety - took about 30 minutes (with YouTube) to file and fit - easy job.
Also extended mag release and new grips.

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Old 08-30-2020, 12:55 AM
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I thought they just recently came out with a series 70's configuration of that one.
The lines have kinda blurred. My Colt Rail Gun (among some of the other Coltís I own) has a Series 80 firing pin block (which is not a deal-breaker for me). I donít know of a newly produced Model 1991.
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Old 08-30-2020, 02:02 AM
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Iíve been looking for plain Jane series 70 for carry. Iíve owned many 1911s all GIs and Colts. Wish I kept one. I never had much use for 1911 when I had them. I only trust 2 pistols Colt or GI 1911 and S&W K or N revolver.
I donít mind paying $800 for decent shooter but not $1800.
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:36 AM
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The lines have kinda blurred. My Colt Rail Gun (among some of the other Coltís I own) has a Series 80 firing pin block (which is not a deal-breaker for me). I donít know of a newly produced Model 1991.
Colt has definitely blurred the lines on their catalog. For a while, pretty much all pistols where Series 80s, with the exception of the return of a some classic models. Now it seems the traditional 1911s have returned to the Series 70 design, with old style roll marks.

The 1991 also had two models. The original 1991A1 was a GI-style matte finish Series 80, made in the 1990s. It had a large 1911A1 roll mark. The second was the 1991, a Series 80 blue finish with a vintage Colt's Government Model roll mark. Both had long triggers and flat MSHs. Both have been replaced by Series 70 1911 Classic with a short trigger, flat MSH.

They are all good guns. I prefer to keep it simple: they are all Colt Government models to me. In my experience, what ever problems Colt has had with other guns, they always got the 1911 right.
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Old 08-30-2020, 09:22 AM
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The first thing anyone does on a comp 1911, unless it's a custom, is get a bushing fitted and a trigger job. It isn't that expensive. Going thru production 1911's looking for an accurate comp pistol is a waste of time and money.

The OP didn't ask about other 1911's. He ask about a Colt. I have a gov't model that will shoot like a comp pistol right out of the box. Never been tuned. You could buy 20 production 1911's and never get one like that, but it was a freak assembly and I know it.
My disappointment came in the 70's. As the Colt "Gold Cup" was advertised as a match pistol, I expected it to perform like a match pistol. It was not up to the demands of outdoor 2700 shooting, like I had hoped. I'm sure that it is fine for those whose standards for accuracy are much less demanding than outdoor bullseye pistol shooting. A part on my Gold Cup broke at a match. Luckily a top shooter loaned me his custom 1911 back up pistol to finish the match. That opened my eyes. For a pistol that is imprinted with "National Match" and "Gold Cup", I found it lacking for my purposes.
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I would get a regular Gov't model or if carry is a consideration, a lightweight Commander. Both in .45 ACP.
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My Colt Gold Cup wouldn't group well at 50 yards and I was using it to shoot outdoor 2700 bullseye pistol matches. I'll grant you that, as you say, if I had had the barrel bushing replaced, it might have done better. The trigger was nothing to write home about either. There certainly are better options than Colt out there.
The Gold Cups built in the 60's and 70's generally had 3.5 - 3.75 pound triggers out of he box. After a few thousand rounds, that would typically drop to 3.25 or so - sometimes even lower. Today's new models are about 4.25 - 4.75 and are probably that way due to the Lawyers. Even at that weight, they are usually as crisp as a fresh Ritz Cracker.

I will take you at your word (anything is possible and once in a while a bad one sneaks out), but personally I haven't seen one yet that won't out shoot their owners. In fact they come with a target from the Factory when purchased new. If I ever got one like that I'd send it back to the Factory. They are pretty accommodating.

When I shot Bullseye competition almost every .45acp was a Colt. Yes there were some Kimber's, Wilson's, Ed Brown's, etc. but I'd say 60-70% were either Gold Cups or modified Colts.

BTW My Gold Cup has the Finger Barrel Bushing that was supposed to fail prematurely. Well so far mine has over 30,000 rounds through it and is still the original one. I did buy a few extras just in case and I did have to replace one on a Gov't Series 80 which did make a very slight difference in accuracy (for the better).
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Old 09-01-2020, 09:55 AM
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The Gold Cups built in the 60's and 70's generally had 3.5 - 3.75 pound triggers out of he box. After a few thousand rounds, that would typically drop to 3.25 or so - sometimes even lower. Today's new models are about 4.25 - 4.75 and are probably that way due to the Lawyers. Even at that weight, they are usually as crisp as a fresh Ritz Cracker.

I will take you at your word (anything is possible and once in a while a bad one sneaks out), but personally I haven't seen one yet that won't out shoot their owners. In fact they come with a target from the Factory when purchased new. If I ever got one like that I'd send it back to the Factory. They are pretty accommodating.

When I shot Bullseye competition almost every .45acp was a Colt. Yes there were some Kimber's, Wilson's, Ed Brown's, etc. but I'd say 60-70% were either Gold Cups or modified Colts.

BTW My Gold Cup has the Finger Barrel Bushing that was supposed to fail prematurely. Well so far mine has over 30,000 rounds through it and is still the original one. I did buy a few extras just in case and I did have to replace one on a Gov't Series 80 which did make a very slight difference in accuracy (for the better).
When I retired from bullseye pistol competition, there were mostly custom pistols being used. They were built by the top bullseye pistolsmiths of the time, like Mike Curtis, Larry Leutenegger, Giles, David Sams, Best, Masaki, Jim Clark, etc. Many of the older custom guns were built on Colt frames and slides. Rock River is a good choice too. Neither Wilson or Ed Brown was popular for bullseye pistol matches, although they make good guns for other purposes. I never saw a master or high master shoot a box stock Gold Cup. I don't remember the Gold Cup test target being fired at a great distance. I still own a couple of custom 1911's built on Colt frames and slides. Earlier you said that any match pistol needs a trigger job and a new bushing replaced. Now you defend the original parts. I think your Gold Cup is the exception, rather than the rule.
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I own a bunch of 1911s, mostly custom Colts. If I was in the market for a new Colt to be first/only "do everything" 1911 I'd be looking at the Wiley Clapp Government or the Competition Plus. They have the most features for the money and are solid, well built, accurate guns right out of the box.
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I'm going to recommend a different path. Back many years ago I acquired a pair of Series 70 Colts that had been customized by John Giles, an old time pistolsmith, as "hard ball" guns for competition. They have adjustable sights and a nice crisp 4 pound trigger pull. I remember on a PPC course cutting the X-ring at 7 yards.

There were a number of famous pistolsmiths back in the 1940s-1970s, men like John Giles, Jim Clark, Austin Behlert and Bob Chow who supplied competition guns like this. As the bullseye shooters of those eras have retired or passed on, these guns are starting to come on the market at reasonable prices considering the amount of work done. One of these guns may be the ticket.
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I can attest for the Colt Wiley Clapp, great pistol, 70 series, NM Barrel, but I just wished he'd used nite sights on it instead of the plain notch and brass bead though. I have the LW Commander.
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I've owned several Colts, and all have been disappointing.
Colt Combat Elite NIB....
Colt National Match Gold Cup reintroduction
Colt Series 70 Reintroduction NIB
Colt Classic Series 70 with 1950's era rollmark NIB.

Typical issues, slide lock not fitted correctly, tooling marks, boogered screws from the factory. Unreliable out of the box with factory ball, and supplied magazine. Overall poor quality control. I ran into the CEO at the AUSA convention in 2014, voiced my concerns, being a former Marine, his response was "We have union employees".

The one Colt that did run out of the box was the M1991A1 reintroduction. A buddy wanted it badly, so I sold it to him.

Another close friend recently purchased a NIB Springfield 1911 and it too has issues.

I would steer clear of the .45 ACP...ammunition is becoming unobtainable.

If you insist on getting a Colt, find a pre-series 70.
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Cheapskate that I am, I rarely buy new, my Colt Mark IV, satin finish Combat Commander and AMT Hardballer (yes!) have served me well for over 40 years. I had MMC sights installed on the Combat Commander's slide-much easier to see, had high fixed sights installed on the Mark IV's slide when I shot IPSC-then I found another Mark IV slide.
I recommend a 22 conversion unit-I use the Cieners. Lots of cheap practice.
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I also have a Colt Officers Enhanced LW 80 series that runs flawlessly, in fact, it's my daily carry gun out of all the guns I have. Never had a single hiccup either. This particular guns only one weak spot is it's end plug which I eliminated by going with an EGW FLGR/full hat end plug system.
I've never had any issues finding ammo myself, maybe it's a "location" thing?
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You should be really confused by now. So simplify things and get a Dan Wesson.
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Take a look at the Colt Gunsite. Itís a 5 inch series 70 with nice features, including a dehorn and undercut front strap. Front night sight. I switched my sights out to a Harrison U notch rear and gold bead front.
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I have a few from a 1911, made into a hardball gun by a Military Armorer, a 1911A1 from WW2, a C-prefix Shockley (builder of a better mouse trap), a Jim Clark Series 70 Government, a Combat Commander and others. My favorite to shoot and carry is the Combat Commander and also use it for my night stand gun. Keep thinking about a Commander LW to add to the group but all are Colts. Can't go wrong with any of them.
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