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Turning a Glock 19 into a revolver...well, sort of
Let me preface this by saying I’m not a big fan of striker fired pistols. I generally don’t like them for the following two reasons:
1. I don’t shoot them well. The bump/wall of the trigger’s second stage throws me off. It’s a “Me” problem but the problem is real for me.
2. To me, they are more unsafe when reholstering with the light 2 pound-ish first stage of the trigger pull that puts you right at the wall before the trigger breaks with about 3-4 more pounds of pressure. Not safe enough for me to carry.
You can probably guess that I’m a fan of double action hammer fired handguns. I love my Smith & Wesson revolvers and my Sig p250c.
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A Glock 19 gen 4 called to me the last time I visited a local gun shop. It felt great in my hand so I decided to make it a project to cure the aforementioned problems and make it behave more like a revolver. So, I got to work last week.
First, I installed the Glock NY1 trigger spring with the Glock minus connector. I wanted to stay with OEM parts. The NY1 gets rid of the light first stage of the trigger pull, and coupled with the minus connector gets rid of the bump/wall feeling of the second stage. The end result is a heavier 7lb pull that feels much smoother and is a much more consistent pull weight from beginning to end. It’s not as nice a trigger as my p250c but it’s pretty doggone nice. The only downside (to me) on the NY1 spring is that it makes it a little harder to remove the slide when field stripping. Problem one solved. I fired 100 rounds last Sunday and I give this trigger setup a big thumbs up.
Second, I installed a striker control device (aka The Gadget). It replaces the rear slide plate and allows you to thumb the rear of your slide when holstering like you would with a hammer fired handgun. The gadget moves outward when pulling the trigger to sort of simulate hammer movement. With your thumb on the rear of the slide, the trigger cannot fire. Problem two solved.
And last, I installed Dawson Precision carry sights yesterday, blacked out rear sight with fiber optic front. I also installed traction grips.
Voila, it’s complete. My sort of revolver-ized Glock 19. I look forward to testing out these sights this weekend.
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Nice work. Most important is that are comfortable with it.
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If you have not seen or tried one, a model 5946 or 6946 would appear to fit your desired manual of arms well.
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If you have not seen or tried one, a model 5946 or 6946 would appear to fit your desired manual of arms well.
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I carry a S&W Model 6946 most days, it is dimensionally identical to a Glock 19 with the exception of having a slide that is 1/10" narrower. The trigger pull on my Model 6946 is identical in length of pull and weight to that of my S&W 640-1, which I use when I need deep concealment.
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Congrats on your G19. They are a fine weapon. Your modifications have made it about as safe and revolver like as a striker fired pistol can be. I have often wondered if something similar can be done to an M&P?
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When I had a Gen3 Glock 23 I tried different spring and connector combos. I liked the NY1/"-" connector combo the best. It was the closest to "revolver-like" I could get. IIRC, it also had a stronger trigger reset.
If I get a Glock again, I'd probably do the same and add the SCD like you did.
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Congrats on your G19. They are a fine weapon. Your modifications have made it about as safe and revolver like as a striker fired pistol can be. I have often wondered if something similar can be done to an M&P?
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Yes it can. Order one with the ambi manual safety like I did
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Yes it can. Order one with the ambi manual safety like I did
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Can you expand on that please?
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Yes it can. Order one with the ambi manual safety like I did
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I don't see how that makes it revolver-like.
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Love my 19 but I've tried the NY1/-connector setup twice and hated it both times. I just went back to the stock trigger and got used to it. I am thinking about swapping in a smooth trigger tho.
Another thing I did: take a black Sharpie and black out the bottom of the rear sight outline, just leaving the two verticals. Kinda looks 3-dot except with rectangular side dots.
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It was the closest to "revolver-like" I could get. IIRC, it also had a stronger trigger reset.
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Yes, you’re correct. The reset is much, much stronger. I’d call it forceful. It snaps back with more force than a revolver.
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Congrats on your G19. They are a fine weapon. Your modifications have made it about as safe and revolver like as a striker fired pistol can be. I have often wondered if something similar can be done to an M&P?
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I did some Googling and found a response from Tom (owner???) at Tau Development, the maker of the scd. Here’s his response:
"In general, if it’s possible to create a safe, reliable, robust, and affordable drop-in Striker Control Device, with an adequate margin of safety, for a gun with a meaningful market share we will do it.
While all striker fired designs are capable of having SCD-like functionality, some designs (like those with partially tensioned strikers – Glock, S&W SD9/40, CZ P-10, Walther PPS, etc.) are more amenable to an aftermarket drop-in device than others (like those with fully tensioned strikers — S&W M&P, HK VP9, Sig P320 & P365, Walther PPQ, etc.).
I have SCD designs for the M&P, P320, and P365 pistols, but due to being fully tensioned striker designs they are not compatible with a simple drop-in Glock-style device and would require various levels of modification (some to the slide, others to the frame) they would likely prove cost prohibitive and I’m still not sure any of them would provide an adequate margin of safety or satisfactory user experience — so it’s not terribly likely they will be produced any time soon.
A SCD for the S&W SD series -- which can use a device almost identical to the Glock version, just with slightly different dimensions -- is possible, but it's uncertain if it could be produced at a price point that would be agreeable to people who buy a "budget" pistol such as the SD.
In a nutshell, development is ongoing, but we have no support for any additional guns to announce at this time.
— Tom"
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It sure feels like a lot of expensive things to do to a Glock when you end up with an almost SIG P250. I will stick with my SIG P250.
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ScottN, thanks for posting the response from Tau Development regarding the M&P and others. Very interesting. I guess as CAJUNLAWYER suggested if one wants a safer M&P then just get one with a manual safety.
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It sure feels like a lot of expensive things to do to a Glock when you end up with an almost SIG P250. I will stick with my SIG P250.
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I agree. I don't own a Sig P250 but did shoot one. As I revolver shooter could not help but like the trigger.
The Smith DAO 3rd Gens have very revolver like triggers as well. They also make a fine choice for those who like that type of trigger.
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It sure feels like a lot of expensive things to do to a Glock when you end up with an almost SIG P250. I will stick with my SIG P250.
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I love my P 250 (In 380....what can I say, this is Mexico and it's stupid gun laws). Along with my S&W M 67 and a short barrell Mossberg 500, are my trio for home defense.
Most people bitch about the DAO semiauto pistols, for me being a revolver shooter most of my grown up life, it is second nature.
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ScottN, thanks for posting the response from Tau Development regarding the M&P and others. Very interesting. I guess as CAJUNLAWYER suggested if one wants a safer M&P then just get one with a manual safety.
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I don't think the goal was so much a "safe" trigger, it was a trigger with a feel like a revolver, which is arguably inherently safer than that of a striker fired trigger. Manual safeties have nothing to do with that. Some of us prefer a DAO feel to our handgun triggers.
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Interesting project.
Like you - I'm no big fan of poly-pistols, even though I own a few.
Bought a Kahr PM9 way back in the late 90's when it was about the only 'tiny 9' on the market.
Paid too much at a LE supply store, but it was for OD, so a tax deduction then.
Still using and carrying it after all these years and have found the Kahr line of striker fired autos comes awful close to the feeling of a fairly smooth revolver.
Not a target gun, nor meant to be, but if you've come close to mastering the DA on a revolver, the transition to the Kahr is quite smooth.
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It sure feels like a lot of expensive things to do to a Glock when you end up with an almost SIG P250. I will stick with my SIG P250.
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That’s a fair criticism. I’ve been thinning the herd and have sold quite a few firearms this year. So I had extra cash on hand and I wanted to buy the firearm and take on this as a fun project. Firearms are a hobby to me as much as they are useful tools for important tasks.
I love the Sig p250 series. I own a 250c and a 250sc. I installed the Xcompact grip (see attached picture) on my 250c and it is my favorite semi auto that I have ever shot. I don’t foresee the Glock 19 replacing my Sigs but now I think it complements them pretty well.
There were a couple of other motives in getting the Glock. First, I will be buying a pistol caliber carbine in the future that uses Glock mags. I have a thing about having rifle/handgun pairs. Second, if things do ever go all SHTF then I think having a Glock might be useful with its parts availability and aftermarket.
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Good reasoning on the Glocks. They are ubiquitous.
I have the Gadget on my Glocks. It is a pretty impressive adjunct and one with no downside reports.
I loved the Kahr triggers myself. As noted, lengthy roll but still smooth until the wall. Impressive for striker gun. Lost confidence after I had to send two different guns to the factory due to failures. The Kahr customer service is lousy - slow to respond and not to be trusted to fix the problems. Too bad, as the Kahr trigger and form factor are great.
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Nice to see so much love for the p250. It’s perfect for us revolver guys.
The only striker fired gun I trust is a model 1PPS WALTHER. Mine has the Mass trigger everyone hates, but I like it. The striker protrudes out the back you can feel it with your thumb when holstering that gadget thing is pretty cool. .
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O/P Scott, I started reading your post, and immediately began thinking of BOTH of the exact same mods you'd obviously already done. Small world, LOL.
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It sure feels like a lot of expensive things to do to a Glock when you end up with an almost SIG P250. I will stick with my SIG P250.
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Actually, that Glock will have a shorter trigger pull & reset which will allow you to shoot much faster.
I am amazed at how they took what WAS an Edsel in gun sales...and completely saved it with conversion to striker-fire and 320 series.
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I have the Gadget on my Glocks. It is a pretty impressive adjunct and one with no downside reports.
I loved the Kahr..... Lost confidence after I had to send two different guns to the factory due to failures. The Kahr customer service is lousy - slow to respond and not to be trusted to fix the problems.
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Ditto on the Tau SCD. I've had two prior goes with Kahr C.S. One was the generalized recall to fix the micro PM-series guns. No harm, no foul. The 'poor' one was one of the TP45 models. I was getting failures to herfire. Rounds would show striker-impact, but no go boom, on several brands. Took a 2nd trip back to the Mothership to determine that the chamber had been cut too deeply....thus, a new barrel.
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A bone stock Glock with OEM springs and connector should have a 5 to 5.5lb trigger. I picked up one of the ex New Orleans PD Glock 22's and it had one of the New York trigger return springs and what was likely a higher than OEM weight connector on it. The trigger pull was 10+ lb when received. I installed a 3.5 connector with the New York return spring and it dropped the trigger weight to 7lb which is a good weight for safety/accuracy combination.
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