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Old 09-13-2020, 11:24 PM
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Default Letís Play... Name This Shotgun!

No prizes, but brownie points to the first to identify the manufacturer. Extra credit for the model name...

I just attended my first gun club swap meet or gun show since early March. It was a 2-1/2 hour round-trip drive to this small gun club, but I couldnít pass it up. I went for set-up Friday night and went back again Saturday for 5 hours. There were only a dozen exhibitors in a large hall and we never had more than 10 attendeeís at a time. Social distancing was not a problem!

This gun was set out on a table on Saturday, about 2 hours after opening. I recognized the model from a distance and was the first to show interest. After getting permission to handle it, I picked it up, flipped it over and saw that there was a live shell in the magazine tube!

I had a little chat with the owner, cleared the gun, paid for it and tucked it away.

Who made this shotgun?

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Thanks, you should see it now! I loaded an attachment and could see the photo, but the thumbnail wasnít at the bottom. I got sidetracked when posting and it must have timed out.
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Franchi? Maybe? The name should be marked on it, but I guess you know and this is just a quiz.
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That's a Breda. Maybe a Mark II. Looks like grade III engraving.
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See, I was going to say Steve, in honor of Stevens shotguns......
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That's a Breda. Maybe a Mark II. Looks like grade III engraving.
Bingo, it is a Breda grade III fixed choke skeet gun from 1960! From what Iíve seen, the Mark II had a fairly large visible cross pin on the bolt and my bolt lacks that.

These were considered one of the finest autoloaders available at the time. Only the Franchi was lighter in weight. Theyíre inertia (recoil) operated like the A-5 and you can disassemble them in about a minute without any tools. The claim it took 50 minutes to slow drill the barrels from a solid block of alloy steel and the bore and internals were hard chromed. Most came with screw on choke tubes.

The Breda Standard Auto wasnít popular in the USA because production quantities were low and they cost about $30 more than a Browning A-5. I knew all about them because I had a friend who owned a few and held them in high regard. This was the first high grade I had ever seen and I was more than happy to pay full 1962 MSRP for it!

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Nice wood and steel.

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That is plumb purty!
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Was this gun ever marketed under another name? I had a gun action looked similar and had odd name. Was in 80s. I had another Franchi look alike Universal? I’ve never seen any of them in hi grade models.
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That is not one to lay over the top strand of barbed wire to push it down to cross! (Which I Have seen done many times.)
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I spy a couple of interesting wheel guns in that case from your last picture!

You pick up any of those too?
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Was this gun ever marketed under another name? I had a gun action looked similar and had odd name. Was in 80s. I had another Franchi look alike Universal? Iíve never seen any of them in hi grade models.
Maybe Continental Arms? There is one on GB, has a side mounted lever safety on right side of receiver.
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That's a new one on me and a pretty shotgun. Congratulations and thanks for sharing.
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I thought breda from the safety, they have an interesting manner of loading, you say yours is fixed choke, mine has three choke styles, what caught my eye was they screw on the outside, it is called quick choke, I have two of the screw on styles.
I asked my gunny why the different way of loading, he said it's European and they do things different, nice pickup.

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You pick up any of those too?
Thatíís my gun room coffee table. Sorry for the glare.
Nothing new...

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Nothing new...

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Did you by any chance get a manual with your new buy?
If you are interested I found a 12g semi manual, with english explanations and a full schematic, I've been looking for quite a while and this is what I've needed.

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Did you by any chance get a manual with your new buy?
If you are interested I found a 12g semi manual, with english explanations and a full schematic, I've been looking for quite a while and this is what I've needed.
Thank you for the offer, but I found it online.

http://www.indaginibalistiche.it/en/...nual-it-en-fr/
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Not really much of a shotgun guy but that is very nice looking steel and wood! Makes all the plastic fantastics look even uglier.
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Name the shot gun ?? I'll play; what's this ?


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Darne sliding breech loader

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I don't have pictures but I have a 1957 30.06 built by cogswell harrison, but their shotguns are incredible, why don't I have one? I'm just a pore elderly pensioner.
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I believe that is a Charlin, instead of a Darne.

Nope it is a high grade Darne I believe, after a closer look.

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Gorgeous gun! I think of Darne at first glance, but other manufacturers produced sliding breech shotguns. Itís obviously a higher grade gun, possibly a V22. Is that yours?

I passed on a field grade Darne 20 gauge years ago and still think about it. IIRC, it was priced at $950. It had very plain wood and typical European style sling swivels. If I found one like you pictured at a decent price, Iíd be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich!
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Hereís another fairly obscure shotgun for you to ID. Itís a 12 gauge boxlock with a scalloped aluminum alloy receiver. It has a solid rib, ejectors, steel firing pin bushings, cocking indicators and a three piece forearm. As you can see, it weighs in at just under 6 lbs.

This was a WWII bring-back and was a mess when I bought it. The wood was rough, the bluing was well worn and it had a social security number electro penciled inside the trigger guard and on the bottom of the barrels, under the forearm.

The manufacturer is still in business (hint #1), so I shipped the gun off and had them restore and modify it. They opened the chokes to IC/Mod, lengthened the forcing cones and removed the SS#ís and sling swivels. They refinished the wood and the barrels, re-cut the checkering and added a brass shield to cover the swivel hole in the stock. Itís probably the lightest 12 gauge over/under Iíve ever handed and Iíve used it at deer camp to take partridge!

Hint #2: Itís not a Merkel!

Who made this???

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Snazzy looking for sure.
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S&Wchad; It could be a high grade BAIKAL ?? Or a German GREIFELT. ??
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Gorgeous gun! I think of Darne at first glance, but other manufacturers produced sliding breech shotguns. Itís obviously a higher grade gun, possibly a V22. Is that yours?

I passed on a field grade Darne 20 gauge years ago and still think about it. IIRC, it was priced at $950. It had very plain wood and typical European style sling swivels. If I found one like you pictured at a decent price, Iíd be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich!
It is a file photo and not mine . I've always been intrigued with the Darne, but never owned one.

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S&Wchad; It could be a high grade BAIKAL ?? Or a German GREIFELT. ??
Itís not a Baikal.

Greifelt made similar pattern guns, so thatís an excellent educated guess. They didnít make mine, but youíre in the neighborhood (hint #3)!
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Good guess. Right town, wrong manufacturer...
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Greifelt made similar pattern guns, so thatís an excellent educated guess. They didnít make mine, but youíre in the neighborhood (hint #3)!
Then it's got to be a SIMSON ??
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Here's another one,( and this one I'm fortunate to own ). Hint; Belgian manufacture, ca. 1949, 10 ga. magnum. This make was imported by Continental Arms in New York City for Abercrombie and Fitch.













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Hoening Rotary shotgun.
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Nope, but close.

Final hints: The made Lugers during WWII. As I eluded to earlier, they WERE in Suhl Germany during WWII and theyíre still producing high end guns today.
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Nope, but close.

Final hints: The made Lugers during WWII. As I eluded to earlier, they WERE in Suhl Germany during WWII and theyíre still producing high end guns today.
Can't be a Sauer is it ?? If it is, that's really a surprise.
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Can't be a Sauer is it ?? If it is, that's really a surprise.
Nope, not J. P. Sauer.

Iíll make it easy... Theyíre one of the more popular makers of shotguns used by competitive shooters.
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Iíll make it easy... Theyíre one of the more popular makers of shotguns used by competitive shooters.
Yer killin' me here. Not KRIEGHOFF ? I shot trap with a K-80 combo for a dozen years.
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I’ve missed the boat a couple times on making a killer buy and it’s always been on Shotguns. It was because I didn’t know what they were. I had a chance to buy sliding breech Darne 20g cheap and didnt. Went home and looked it up but was to late. Went to small show in WVa. Guy had a cased pair of Jeffery 410 ßxß. Nothing fancy at all. He wanted $1500 for pair. I really wasn’t into shotguns and didn’t buy. Went home that night and decided to go back in AM and buy them. I did and guy had sold one gun out of the pair. I walked again.
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Iíve missed the boat a couple times on making a killer buy and itís always been on Shotguns. It was because I didnít know what they were. I had a chance to buy sliding breech Darne 20g cheap and didnt. Went home and looked it up but was to late. Went to small show in WVa. Guy had a cased pair of Jeffery 410 ßxß. Nothing fancy at all. He wanted $1500 for pair. I really wasnít into shotguns and didnít buy. Went home that night and decided to go back in AM and buy them. I did and guy had sold one gun out of the pair. I walked again.
LOL !! You sound like me; always "a day late and a dollar short".
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Dave you should start a new weekly thread STUMP THE CHUMPS!

Each week feature a different firearm.

I have read some local TV stations have it as a trivia show and it quickly becomes the most popular show on the station.
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Yer killin' me here. Not KRIEGHOFF ? I shot trap with a K-80 combo for a dozen years.
It sure is, only back then they went by Sempert & Kreighoff. Herman Goring was fond of their drillingís and Lugers. Another Kreighoff drilling attributed to Hitler sold a few years back for $140K. These were made long before Kreighoff bought the tooling and rights to the Model 32 from Remington and started producing the K-32. That turned out to be a wise move, since it evolved into the K-80ís and K-20ís, which are very popular today!

Mine isnít attributable to anyone, but it is a high grade dural frame 300 series boxlock with double underlugs and a double Kirsten crossbolt.
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It sure is, only back then they went by Sempert & Kreighoff. Herman Goring was fond of their drillingís and Lugers. Another Kreighoff drilling attributed to Hitler sold a few years back for $140K. These were made long before Kreighoff bought the tooling and rights to the Model 32 from Remington and started producing the K-32. That turned out to be a wise move, since it evolved into the K-80ís and K-20ís, which are very popular today!

Mine isnít attributable to anyone, but it is a high grade dural frame 300 series boxlock with double underlugs and a double Kirsten crossbolt.
Thanks for the info; it's a beautiful shot-gun; definitely in the German style.
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So who made your 10 gauge A&F SxS? Neumann??? Iíve never seen a stock that filled in behind the triggerguard like that, but itís a good idea on hard kicking waterfowl guns.

Abercrombie and Fitch weíre a premier outfitter back in the day. Itís a darn shame what theyíve become.
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So who made your 10 gauge A&F SxS? Neumann??? Iíve never seen a stock that filled in behind the triggerguard like that, but itís a good idea on hard kicking waterfowl guns.

Abercrombie and Fitch weíre a premier outfitter back in the day. Itís a darn shame what theyíve become.
The gun is a Defourny-Severin.
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My wife bought me a stoeger coach gun but it is internal hammers, do any of you have the old style external hammers, nothing says old west like a colt and a coach gun with a well worn 1873 for me.
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