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Old 09-18-2020, 10:56 PM
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327 Fed Blackhawk, pieces as pictured. I think & hope I found all of them. Will this be easy to put back together or should I send it to Ruger in case there might be other problems? Less than 500 rounds shot thru it.
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The screw that holds the ejector assembly likely got loos to the point of coming out. Not that unusual although it is usually cought before it entirely comes out. Looks like you have all the pieces. Simply slide the spring over the rod and slide the rod assembly back into the slot on the ejector housing insert the whole assembly back into gun put screw in. If it comes loose again a little loctite on the screw might be needed.
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Just some simple locktite and a screwdriver is needed to repair
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Same thing happened to me with my Ruger Bisley 44 Special. Sproing!! The spring and the rod flew forward of the firing line, the shroud fell on the ground and the screw went missing. Diligent searching by another guy and me turned up the screw behind the firing line. Put it back together as merl67 recommended above and haven't had a problem since. No need to send it back to the mother ship.
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I was really lucky with the screw, it went thru the 1/4-3/8 inch wire between the shooting stations and landed on the bench. Spring was in the grass.
I will try putting it back together this weekend.
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Blue locktite (or clear fingernail polish) on the threads. Use a properly fitting screwdriver. Firmly snug but don't go crazy on it.

The ejector rod housing screw is notorious for coming loose, you don't have a major issue.
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I realize that this isn't a Ruger forum BUT this is the first time I remember someone posting about something you'd think you hear more about.
Especially all of the 44 mag Blackhawk owners that lurk in the S&W forum.
Glad you've got all the pieces and it helps me check my Ruger toys.
I just don't have a lot of rounds down range with them.
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That's a shame. Yeah, I suppose an easy fix, but I've heard of too many Rugers having to be sent back for repair. Why doen't Ruger just put a dab of LocTite on to begin with and maybe this doesn't happen. I bought two GP100s this year, new, a 6" and a 5", both .327 FM. The 6" has been flawless and the 5" went back twice. Luckily, Pawngal's will be an easy fix and nobody "lost an eye." That Forum is loaded with people sending back their Rugers, but I don't see that on this one. Suppose somebody had broken into her house and this was the closest gun at hand? I suppose it would still shoot, but that's beside the point.
Pawngal, you may want to send that picture with a letter to the CEO. They really need to step it up a notch.
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Nice gun, shouldn’t be a problem. Would like to have one myself. How does it shoot?
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I’ve had Ruger SBH for over 50 yrs as well as BHS & S-6s all from the 60s.
The all the screws need checked before shooting sessions. You either but nyloc screws or use thread sealer. If you let frame screws get lose you can shear the heads off screws. Especially the two behind trigger guard that are 90 degrees off recoil.
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That was a common thing on my stainless Super Blackhawk in the 80's. They used a shallow hole about a half inch dia. on the bbl then soldered a disk inside, then drilled for the ejector shroud screw. The disk would go flying as your's has. The other common defect is the base pins don't like to stay put. They come flying out frequently. Someone had offered set screw adaptations on ebay, I think, but never seemed to have any available. Good luck.
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Nice gun, shouldn’t be a problem. Would like to have one myself. How does it shoot?
Shoots great! a 44mag goes Boom, the 327Fed is a loud Crack.
Really gets attention at an indoor range.

Good to hear that this isn't a real problem, more of major nuisance that is easily fixed. But still, a new gun sending pieces flying after only 200-300 rounds should not happen.
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Screw worked loose and came out. Hardly warrants sending it back to the manufacturer.
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Before you assemble it run the screw in and assure that the threads are in good shape, not too loose or flawed in any way.
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I'd send it back out of principle. The more a company gets attention and has to fix their goods, the more they'll up the overall quality control. Ruger's a top notch brand and they are overbuilt workhorses.

That said, sometimes one sneaks out. Earlier in the year, I picked up a Wiley Clapp Ruger and took it to the range - first outing, about 10 rounds out and my ejector rod/tube/spring go about 15 yards downrange. Turns out the screw hole for the ejector tube only had one or two threads and would hold the screw fine for normal handling but, not during live fire.

Contacted Ruger, they shipped it back on their dime and I had it back fixed up proper in about a week.

Very satisfied with their service, so I'll continue as a repeat customer.

That's a great gun you have by the way! It's on my one day list.
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Some years ago I did that with a SAA replica firing heavy duty .45 Colt ammunition. If it's not literally broken then you can screw it back together. I sheared the ejector shroud screw clean off so I couldn't fix it.

OTOH, Ruger will repair anything of theirs.
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I emailed Ruger and gave them a piece of my mind (nicely). I'll wait a few days and see if I get a reply.
Yes, I know I can fix it but no hurry, I have plenty of other guns to shoot.
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I tighten my ejector rod housing screw and on all Blackhawks before each outing. Calling Ruger and giving them a piece of your mind over this is like calling your car manufacturer because you didn’t change the oil.
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I tighten my ejector rod housing screw and on all Blackhawks before each outing. Calling Ruger and giving them a piece of your mind over this is like calling your car manufacturer because you didn’t change the oil.
Bit of difference, car manual tells you when to change the oil.
Does the instruction booklet for a Blackhawk tell you to tighten the screw before each use? I doubt it.
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327 Fed Blackhawk, pieces as pictured. I think & hope I found all of them. Will this be easy to put back together or should I send it to Ruger in case there might be other problems? Less than 500 rounds shot thru it.
Tighten the screw every 499 rounds! 's

You are lucky to have found all the parts! If it were me I'd still be looking for that screw!

As mentioned Locktite is your friend! But only where absolutely necessary!

Professional gun mechanic's will likely tell you never to use it in firearms!

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You are lucky to have found all the parts! If it were me I'd still be looking for that screw!

As mentioned Locktite is your friend! But only where absolutely necessary!

Professional gun mechanic's will likely tell you never to use it in firearms!

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Most all single action revolvers seem to shoot the screws loose. I'm one of those types who clean their firearms after shooting them. Part of cleaning the SA is checking all the screws. Glad to hear you found all the parts!
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Parts from my Ruger Blackhawk also went flying. My barrel did not have a threaded hole for the Ejector Housing Screw. It had a soldered (?) threaded anchor that broke off.

A friend of mine tig welded the anchor piece back on and the gun has had no new problems for many years and hundreds of rounds.
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Just like on my Smiths. Always have to tighten the screws for the rear sight and cylinder release.
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Parts from my Ruger Blackhawk also went flying. My barrel did not have a threaded hole for the Ejector Housing Screw. It had a soldered (?) threaded anchor that broke off.

A friend of mine tig welded the anchor piece back on and the gun has had no new problems for many years and hundreds of rounds.
I've seen those style come loose. Suppose to be silver brazed in place after staking. A small amt of the braze and flux is placed under the stud and then it's staked into place to hold it's position. I think they probably induction heat the area for a quick flow.
But from the look of some that have let go, the heat was less than ample and the braze was a worthless effort. Only the staking operation was really holding things together.

Colt uses that style on the SAA as well.

One other problem is that the raised stud in this configuration is supposed to fit tightly into a countersink in the backside of the ejector rod housing. The entire housing then fitting snug betw that stud and the front face of the frame. That keeps the piece from shucking back and forth and gaining any momentum in recoil.
Fitting that housing is not always the best and the screw alone is often relied upon to hold things in place.

Just like a sight mounted on a bbl,,recoil can loosen it or even sheer a screw right off.

The cylinder pin latch is another problem on a lot of SA's.
Just plain poor fit is a lot of it. Sloppy frame and spring loaded cross-pin sizes. They often barely lock the cylinder pin into place.
Recoil at work again. The cylinder pin wants to stay put while the gun recoils backwards. If it can over-ride a wimpy cross-pin lock&spring assembly it will.
The lock-screw cylinder pins are good if you have a problem with it. Most of the good ones require a shallow blind hole to be drilled into the bottom of the bbl as a seat for the set screw in the end of the new cylinder pin to lock into.
Other than that, they do require either a small screwdriver or usually an allan wrench to unscrew/tighten that set screw. So a quick cylinder removal/install is not what you end up with. But at least the cylinder stays put.
Bowen sells/sold a good one.
Brownells used to sell a couple different brands.
Don't know whats out there now to be honest.

Some are a bit longer up front than the factory pin so you can loose some rearward ejection travel on the ejector rod. Not usually a problem but something to check and keep in mind.
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The Ruger headquarters and probably the plants are still closed due to the virus. Customer service people have been handling calls from home. I’ve been waiting on 5 factory letters since early March and spoke with their historian just last week.

I’d reassemble it myself. The last thing I would do right now is send a gun in for repairs, unless they guaranteed a quick turn around. You’ll need to talk to them anyway to send it back, because you’ll need a return authorization number.
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I’d reassemble it myself. The last thing I would do right now is send a gun in for repairs, unless they guaranteed a quick turn around. You’ll need to talk to them anyway to send it back, because you’ll need a return authorization number.
Thanks for the "heads up". Nothing on the website to indicate that.
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Geez, lots of screwing going on! Could someone please give me a short listing of what screws I need to check frequently.
1. Blackhawk (older & newer)
2. Other SA, Uberti & Cimmaron
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1. Blackhawk (older & newer)
2. Other SA, Uberti & Cimmaron
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On ALL single actions, check all of the grip screws and the ejector rod screw. On S&W revolvers, check the front screw that holds the adjustable sight in place. Also, check the cylinder release screw. I have had side plate screws come loose a time or two.
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On ALL single actions, check all of the grip screws and the ejector rod screw. On S&W revolvers, check the front screw that holds the adjustable sight in place. Also, check the cylinder release screw. I have had side plate screws come loose a time or two.
Thank you, I learned about the screw on the adjustable rear sights the first time I shot my M57. Luckily was at an indoor range so was able to find it.
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All these problems with screws coming loose on their single actions is the reason Ruger went screwless in their design for their double action revolvers.
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That's not as spectacular as my SP101 quick disassembly (also in 327) due to me double charging a case It didn't cause any harm to my hand, all the blast was forward and upward. Top strap detached only at the back. I've mounted remains at my reloading bench as a constant reminder
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...Firmly snug but don't go crazy on it.
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That's not as spectacular as my SP101 quick disassembly (also in 327) due to me double charging a case It didn't cause any harm to my hand, all the blast was forward and upward. Top strap detached only at the back. I've mounted remains at my reloading bench as a constant reminder
I'll bet THAT got yore attention!!!
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Be real careful about sending back to Ruger. I had a squib in my Ruger KS-411N at a silhouette match in Lake Jackson. Long story short, it blew out a section of barrel on top, blew the ERH into my shooting box, and generally dusted off the area with high pressure gas! Buddy of mine at the match said "do not send that back to Ruger!". I took it to the gun store in Austin, where I bought it, and the owner said "No problem, Ruger will fix it!". Uh, they DIDN'T! In fact, they kept it! And no, they didn't send any renumeration for it, either! They " graciously" let me buy one at wholesale. I did so because I needed a revolver to shoot silhouette with. Ruger is not the same company it was when Bill Ruger was alive.
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Follow up on my emails to Ruger
Monday received an email, told to go ahead and do it myself and use the blue Loctite
Today received a phone call, I told them I was going to fix it myself and if I had any problems or questions I would call them again.
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Thanks for the update, nice to hear that they responded.
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