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Old 10-16-2020, 02:02 PM
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I recently purchased a shotgun from a member here and finally got it after my original FFL effed me. A very nice Savage over/under. Everything looked very clean on it but, me being very anal, I had to do my own cleaning.

I have always been a fan of the Remington 40-X bore cleaner. I started with that and got what I expected. Dirty patches. None of this is a condemnation of the member I purchased the shotgun from. After doing that many times and the patches coming out lighter and lighter I decided to try my Frog Lube. I was completely surprised. The patches came out dirty but, not a black or gray that I am used to but, a copper brownish looking color. Again, I did this many times until it was hardly noticeable.

Never experienced that with Frog Lube. Not sure if it was copper, which I wouldn't expect coming from a shot gun or something else. Afterwards the barrels were mirror shiny, not that they weren't before but, they were even more of a mirror finish. the barrels looked better than brand new. I spent several minutes gazing through the barrels in amazement.

Not sure if it was the Frog lube or the Frog lube in combination with the 40-X but, whatever it was I like it.

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Frog Lube may be the worst gun-specific product I have yet witnessed to put anywhere near moving gun parts. It takes a lot for me to say that any gun-specific product is worse and more evil than RemOil, but Frog Lube has earned that distinction.

It sounds from your post that youíve used it in a bore, which is obviously not a moving part. I wish you luck.
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Frog Lube may be the worst gun-specific product I have yet witnessed to put anywhere near moving gun parts. It takes a lot for me to say that any gun-specific product is worse and more evil than RemOil, but Frog Lube has earned that distinction.

It sounds from your post that youíve used it in a bore, which is obviously not a moving part. I wish you luck.
Got any specifics? What is so bad about Frog Lube?
Also what is wrong with RemOil in your experience?
I've always read that it was WD40 that was the worst thing to use on guns.
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No, quite the opposite. It seemed to clean it better than the 40-X. I have used Frog Lube on and off for a while. Did some qualifications a while back and it was very dusty out. I had to field strip my 1911 and wipe it down. Kinda stopped using Frog Lube after that but, figured it would be okay on the barrel. I think the results in cleaning the barrel were outstanding.

As Sevens said, not too sure about moving parts.
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Frog Lube left in an LAR Grizzly for a stretch of time turned that sucker in to a cartoon segment. Imagine drawback the slide and attempting to sling shot it... and then watching is slowly creep forward in to battery over a period of seconds, super slo-mo like a football replay.

How long had the FrogLube been left there to die? I don’t know, will have to contact my buddy and see if he remembers. It was likely outside the scope of it’s intended use, but it was no less ridiculous and not something that I would squitz inside any small machine that I cared about.

RemOil congeals and I wish to lose count of how many times I have had to rescue someone’s handgun, typically a revolver that they would never open to scrape out congealed and/or lacquered RemOil.

Im at a loss how anyone that has used RemOil for more than a few years doesn’t figure this out. In my experience, it is a guarantee so solid that they oughta write it in the bottle or spray can.
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If I can find the time I will upload pictures from a RemOil mess, and these pictures are not even one week old.
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Frog Lube left in an LAR Grizzly for a stretch of time turned that sucker in to a cartoon segment. Imagine drawback the slide and attempting to sling shot it... and then watching is slowly creep forward in to battery over a period of seconds, super slo-mo like a football replay.

How long had the FrogLube been left there to die? I donít know, will have to contact my buddy and see if he remembers. It was likely outside the scope of itís intended use, but it was no less ridiculous and not something that I would squitz inside any small machine that I cared about.

RemOil congeals and I wish to lose count of how many times I have had to rescue someoneís handgun, typically a revolver that they would never open to scrape out congealed and/or lacquered RemOil.

Im at a loss how anyone that has used RemOil for more than a few years doesnít figure this out. In my experience, it is a guarantee so solid that they oughta write it in the bottle or spray can.
Interesting. I've never used Frog Lube and I'm thinking I probably won't.

RemOil on the other hand I've used since the mid 1980's and have never seen anything like what you describe. But I use it sparingly, so there isn't enough to "congeal" on anything.
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I have used rem oil for years on many types of firearms. No problems after years of storage. They all go bang. Also they have no rust! I live in MN so have every temperature extreme. john
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I think what you are suppose to do is heat up the firearm that you plan on putting the frog lube on and then put the lube on. When it cools down, you wipe off the excess. I think their claim is that it will penetrate the metal.

Anyway, it did a fantastic job cleaning the barrels of the over/under.
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Frog Lube may be the worst gun-specific product I have yet witnessed to put anywhere near moving gun parts. It takes a lot for me to say that any gun-specific product is worse and more evil than RemOil, but Frog Lube has earned that distinction.

It sounds from your post that youíve used it in a bore, which is obviously not a moving part. I wish you luck.
Mr. Sevens,

I am very new to the Smith&Wesson affliction but have been around firearms my whole life. I've never used frog lube but have used rem oil for years on guns with no ill effects. I would like to know what gun care products you recommend, as I am always ready too learn a better way. thank you. I'm about to bust wanting to know a better way to care for my guns. thanks again, kenny
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I had customers that were Rem die hards of 870s and 1100s who used Rem oil only. Most of these guys never did more than change barrels. They did take good care of gun. After every hunt clean the bore with Hoppes or such and then spray out with Rem oil and wipe down exterior. After a few years this gums up bad. Rem 1100 will start to misfire and guys think it’s firing pin. It’s not. Buffer gets filled up with gunk, short stroking recoil. This causes hammer to be slowed down to point it won’t fire primer. I have never had one 1100 come in with broke FP, all gunked. The trigger groups in all pumps and autos will get gunked with Rem oil as well as some of the other popular sprays. Even if they leave no residue they work as solvent and drain crud into running gears of the gun.
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I think that copper color on your patches was rust.
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I love frog lube! I got a beautiful little snub nosed 317 j frame for an absolute bargain price because it would not function it was so gummed up with frog lube. I recognized the smell of the frog lube. A good cleaning and some CLP. Good to go.

No way I’d use frog lube on a gun after that.
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It has been reported that Frog Lube is just Coconut Oil with perfume. I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems like a bad idea no matter what's in it.
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Okay, I was able to upload a few pictures, I took these last Sunday. My brother visited for a range trip. Heís new(ish) to handguns and one that he brought was a S&W Model 317-2, funny enough, same thing listed in a post above. This 317 is a two-owner gun. My brother in law got it new, my brother has it now. The only lube it has ever seen is RemOil.



When we were gathering the hardware for the trip, this little guy came out and the first thing I noticed is that the cylinder would barely turn. We all know how difficult that makes cocking the revolver and it makes double action shooting all but impossible ó and stresses components even attempting either.

The hammer block specifically was a magnet for this goo. The picture shows how nasty it is, unfortunately the later picture after it has been cleaned didnít catch the light well enough to show how different it looks after being scrubbed. It lost a portion of itís total weight in tar when I cleaned it!

While the tar on the outside but under the grip is obvious, the bigger concern was on the inside of the side plate. The goo seen here has a tacky, sticky feel. Press your index finger to the inside of the side plate and you can lift it off the bench, it clings to the fingertip.

I used a bit of non-chlorinated brake cleaner to loosen up muck but most of the cleaning was done with a Hoppeís#9, a rag and q-tips.




Functionally, sheís ďback to goodĒ and smooth. The cylinder will actually free-wheel and spin as it needs to.

The outer anodizing has taken a hit over time. Folks more familiar with alloy guns could explain better why itís eaten away. Iíd love to blame RemOil specifically but I canít be sure of that ó so I will stick to what I do know for sure, and that is, RemOil sucks.

RemOil turns to a sticky sludge and eventually to a hard lacquer much like the glaze on steel-case chi-com AK-47 ammo. I wouldnít let it near a pistol but itís far worse on revolvers where most folks donít ever go inside.
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Before we left for the range we had another offender ó a Wiley Clapp edition Ruger GP-100, and itís cylinder also mostly refused to rotate.

As I have taken a GP-100 cylinder off the yoke before, it is a hassle and I didnít have time or patience for it, so I dribbled a bit of Kano Kroil in there to at least make it spin more freely. That absolutely helped, but it also needs to be dissected fully.

At the range, my brother did me a solid! He pulled out his bottle of RemOil and we placed it down range about 12 yards. He let me do the honors and I whacked it with a 240gr LSWC from my 7.5Ē barreled Redhawk. A light target load, the bullet left the muzzle at 870fps.

The bottle of RemOil flew in a lovely counterclockwise arc and it spewed a rainbow of RemOil on the steel targets.

I hope that little exercise doesnít gum up our steel targets.

Hell yes, I wish I had a picture of the RemOilís final exit.
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When I started shooting in various competitions back in the 70's I started with Break Free. I still use Break Free, and have never had a problem with any of my firearms. I will occasionally use a tiny amount of grease lube on my semi auto frame rails.
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