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I have a chance to buy one of these, comes with 2 magazines, original paperwork and case. It is German mfg.
Doesn't appear to be fired a lot. Completed prices on GB are all over the place.
What is a reasonable price to offer? If I don't like it myself I'd like to be able to resell at a profit.
Any particular issues I should look at?
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I own several P7s, but I don't claim to be an expert, and I'm not really "up" on current pricing.

That being said...you may want to determine when it was made. That can play into the value, as some later ones were put together from parts "laying around the factory" (or so I've heard), and may be somewhat looked down upon. Also, does it have import marks? I know some of mine do not, because I brought them back with me from Germany, when I was stationed there. You say it has the original box and paperwork...is the gas scraper tool included? Also, talking about it not having been fired much...one of the places on the P7 series that shows wear quickly, even from just being handled a bit, not even being fired...is the sides of the squeeze cocker. It gets lightly scratched/worn from being activated.

I'm really not up on prices. But, I'd guess they might be bringing $2K fairly easily, in excellent condition in the original box. But...you'd be well advised to get more advice on pricing, than just listening to me!

Good luck! They are *AMAZING* pistols! If you buy it, you will love it!
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Oh, also...I forgot to mention, some of them develop "plum" colored slides. I don't recall right now the reason, but it's not terribly uncommon. It doesn't hurt them a bit, but some potential buyers may be put off by the coloration, so...just something to consider.
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I carried an issued P7M8 in plain clothes for about three years in the late 80’s and also went to the HK Armorer’s School when it was in Sterling, VA. A new administration forced us to Sig’s and our buy back for the P7’s was $350. Mine was extremely accurate and fun to shoot. I traded that one off and have had two more over the years. It is a gun that you either love or hate. The squeeze cocking either comes natural or not and many guys I worked with just did not feel comfortable with it. I wish I had kept my last one but I met a guy that insisted I allow him to buy it. I recall I got $1400 for it. As you noted, prices are all over and especially if you price one of the M13’s. The smithing of the P7 is not for the faint of heart and parts will be hard to find.
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I have one of the "plum" slide pistols and its story was that they were German law enforcement issues that went back to HK for refurb. The bluing was flawed and resulted in the plum coloring. Mine also has a milled blemish on the slide that I was told had the unit marking of the police agency to which it had been issued. All this is second hand.

I will agree that they are amazing bits of engineering and a joy to shoot.

Values are a mystery to me other than that they seem to continually go up.
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$2,500 is fair for what you describe, at least in these parts.
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Don't know the value, but I fired one that belonged to a German police officer friend when I was in Kosovo. He went on leave back to Germany & left it with me to "clean." I was on range duty for a week and shot the snot out of it. But I cleaned it real good before he got back in-country. I loved the way it shot. It was extremely accurate. I've always wanted one, but never found one at the price I was willing to pay.
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I don't shoot mine much, but it's very accurate.

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Right now an H&K P7M8 in the original numbered case with mags, cleaning tools and manual in excellent to like new condition will go for $3000 to $3500. Make sure it is a P7M8 as they are sometimes confused with the PSP. Any deviations from that such as condition or not having the correctly numbered case will have an adverse effect on the price. They are an excellent pistol. Good luck.
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Gentleman brought the H&K into the pawnshop this afternoon and left it and a Sig P210 for me to make an offer on them. He has sold us other nice handguns but this one is kinda getting in the stratosphere for my knowledge. The more I read the less I feel I know.
Not sure about the mentioned tools, will check on that tomorrow.
Didn't pay real attention to the import marks but I don't think it came to the US as a police surplus.
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Also, on a personal note, I'm primarily a revolver shooter and almost always shot in single action. Seems most of the semi-auto 9s I have shot have had either very long or heavy trigger pulls, how does the H&K compare and will the different action be hard for me to adjust to?
My thinking is the squeezer will be replacing cocking the hammer on a revolver.
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You are correct inasmuch as squeezing the cocking lever does cock the striker and the trigger releases the striker much as happens in a single action. It might even technically be single action. Mine has a trigger release as nice as a 1911.
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Also, on a personal note, I'm primarily a revolver shooter and almost always shot in single action. Seems most of the semi-auto 9s I have shot have had either very long or heavy trigger pulls, how does the H&K compare and will the different action be hard for me to adjust to?
My thinking is the squeezer will be replacing cocking the hammer on a revolver.

Yes, it does. I've never shot one, but I've never heard complaints about the trigger. I still kick myself that I didn't get a PSP from CDNN when they were $800 or less.
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Also, on a personal note, I'm primarily a revolver shooter and almost always shot in single action. Seems most of the semi-auto 9s I have shot have had either very long or heavy trigger pulls, how does the H&K compare and will the different action be hard for me to adjust to?
My thinking is the squeezer will be replacing cocking the hammer on a revolver.
Yes, the squeeze cocker is the equivalent of cocking the hammer...although it doesn't have a hammer, but a striker.

It takes a fair amount of pressure (I forget the lbs. of force, but it's enough to ensure it's not done accidentally, but not so much as to be at all difficult), but is very easy to hold cocked once achieved. The trigger pull at that point is excellent. (Also, as an aside...if, under stress, one pulls the trigger, and then squeezes the squeeze cocker, the pistol will still discharge. It doesn't matter in what order you do it)

Due to the great trigger, the fixed barrel, and just the fact that it's an H&K...it's phenomenally accurate. It is the finest "duty" (non-match or target grade) semi-auto pistol I've ever fired...the only pistols that I would put in a similar category in terms of duty weapon semi-autos, would be the Walther P-5 and P-88. But since they're both DA/SA...it's probably not an apt comparison.

Wow! A H&K P7M8, *and* a Sig P210? Never had the pleasure of shooting a P-210...but it could still happen!

I had someone else recently tell me that the prices that horsemanhp suggests may be accurate. I was a bit taken aback, and had some difficulty believing that they had increased that dramatically. I did some checking after speaking with this other person...and like you, I found prices all over the place. I would kind of prefer that they weren't quite so valuable...because now I'm looking at the half dozen or so in my safe...one P7M13, in the original box, with only a couple hundred rounds through her, with no import marks...one P7K3, in .380, with only 50 rounds fired, and all original box and accessories, and some assorted M8s and PSPs...and thinking of what I might possibly be able to sell them for, and what I could do with that money! Augghhh! I do have one of those "milled slides" ex-police pistols with logo/emblem removed, that was mentioned earlier...I could always keep it, and enjoy shooting it. Anyway...

Someone mentioned the squeeze cocker action, and how one either loves it or hates it...and I suppose that's true. But, if you end up loving it...it's an amazing pistol, and there's nothing else quite like it. Oh, one other thing...if your style of shooting involves magazine after magazine, of rapid fire...be forewarned that, due to the gas delay system of the P7, the area just above the trigger guard gets quite warm during rapid fire strings...because there is hot gas channeled through that area, delaying the opening of the slide. The PSPs were the biggest offenders, the later M8s and others had a heat shield installed right above the trigger area. It still gets warm. So, some people don't like how warm it gets. I definitely have noted it, but it never bothered me enough to offset how much I love it otherwise. I never did manage to get a P7M10, in .40 S&W, or any P7 in nickel finish. They've always been SOOOO expensive!

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The P7s have a cult like following and if the one your talking about is in described condition it's a 2000+ gun.
I had one scratched up to give as a gift to my son last Christmas and would be afraid to put a value on it.
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Gonna be hard to do since the engraver destroyed the date code . . .
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Gonna be hard to do since the engraver destroyed the date code . . .
Not really, I gave my son the original box the gun came in which has all that information on it.
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I have one of the "plum" slide pistols and its story was that they were German law enforcement issues that went back to HK for refurb. The bluing was flawed and resulted in the plum coloring. Mine also has a milled blemish on the slide that I was told had the unit marking of the police agency to which it had been issued. All this is second hand.

I will agree that they are amazing bits of engineering and a joy to shoot.

Values are a mystery to me other than that they seem to continually go up.
Back in the '90's I shot a couple of P7-M8's and thought about getting one. Here are a few things I recall about the whole experience.

Like others have said, they're very accurate. The spring tension on the squeeze cocker was light enough that I didn't notice it.

I rented one pistol, and the other one was owned by an LA County Sheriff's Deputy. Both times I fired the guns, (in the summer,) 30 rounds on a LASD qualification and 50 rounds with the range rental, I found the frame got very hot. These were later versions with the plastic heat shield at the top of the trigger guard. No surprise there, it is a gas blow-back design after all.


A used one I looked at had a 1/2" portion on the right side of the slide milled and then the slide was re-blued. I read that police agency markings were milled off the slide before they were resold. The slide was plum colored. (Isn't that a reaction between the bluing and nickel in the steel?)

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IMO, fine and unique handguns. The thing about the P7M8, P7M13 and nickel-plated P7M10 (.40S&W) from years ago, I'd like to sell at today's prices...
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I carried a P7/M8 as a service weapon for about a year. It was very accurate, super reliable but unusually heavy for such a compact weapon.
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I've previously owned a P7M8. Carried it for awhile. Extremely accurate pistol due to fixed barrel and SA like trigger pull. As in "scary " accurate.

Only downside is the frame heats up, A LOT, even with as few as 2 mags fired in quick succession. The polymer M8 heatshield was supposed to correct this from the PSP, but it really didn't. Just a consequence of directly blowing gas onto the frame right above your trigger finger onto the piston that actuates the slide. Not a big deal if you're not running high count fast firing strings.

Still, it's target pistol accurate in a very concealable package. There is a reason they have a cult following.

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Ditto on all the above. I don’t recall seeing a police surplus P7M8, those were all PSPs that I can recall (with the heel magazine release).

In the current market I think you could easily offer about $2000 and have a good margin for re-sale.
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Here’s a period ad, not sure that describing it as the most expensive pistol in the world is very enticing



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They are truly fantastic guns imo

While you’re at it you should get the P210 too

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Well, no tools for the P7. Just the instruction manual. It seemed very hard to pull the slide back, is this normal?
Commercial import, Sterling, VA.
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Sorry...double tap.

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Well, the slide is rather slim (not "tall"), so a bit less real estate on which to gain purchase for operating the slide. Also...the slide to frame fit is quite snug. And, it *is* a blowback (albeit, a gas-delayed blowback), so it does have a rather stiff recoil spring. So, yeah...I guess it is a bit harder to pull back than other 9mm pistols.

Well, the commercial import mark isn't a negative. Generally...a gun w/o import marks will garner a bit of a premium, though I can't say how much. Depends on the buyer, I'm sure. I'd guess a model without import marks might gain 10% value? I also *believe* that I recall the Chantilly marked imports to be slightly more desirable...but I can't say why, or to what degree.
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I believe that tends to be the case, and it makes sense. I think the Chantilly-marked guns were all commercial guns which have not seen police service, and are in correspondingly better average condition.

The police surplus P7s (Nds, BMI, or both marked) all came from a batch of 13,000 which were re-purchased by HK and imported to the US for resale in 2007/08 after having been on active duty for up to 25 years. You’d expect to pay less for those just based on expected previous use and wear. I think most have HK Trussville, some HK Columbus import stamps.

The police guns have appreciated rather nicely. German officers could purchase theirs for €160 (about $240 at the time), when they hit the market here they were at $700 to 900, and now they’re $2000 plus. And some sellers are aiming for the same considerably higher asking prices of the commercial variants.
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Early 2000's I picked up a used surplus P7 at an LGS - these were the PSP version with the heel mag-release. IIRC, I got it for ~$400, and an extra mag was almost $50 - the most I'd EVER paid for a mag!

I'd always been fascinated with the design and here was a way to get into a 'usually-over-my-budget' HK for relatively cheap.

I soon learned that yes, it got warm when shooting a lot rather quickly, but it also shot like a rifle in the accuracy department.

Carry gear is certainly not on every corner. I ordered a Avenger-design scabbard from Haugen Handgun Leather, a very long delivery time, but was very satisfied with their product.

I still carry the P7 and train with it enough that the squeeze cocker, a.k.a. 'staplegun' is not strange anymore.

Agree with friend old cop that it is a chunky piece of steel and heavy for it's dimensions. Good carry gear that keeps the grip frame area from flopping around is very important if you intend to EDC.

Many have said it was a design ahead of it's time - don't know.
If other lighter alloys had been looked into to reduce some weight, that would've been interesting - and I'm sure even more expensive.
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Speaking of carry gear, I had a time locating a holster for this "obsolete" pistol.
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Try finding a LH one. . .

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And attaching accessories gets interesting ....

Bavarian state police SWAT used clamps that attached a combat light to the magazine bottom. They apparently counted on any night incident being handled before a reload was necessary.


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I purchased a PSP when they first came out. Loved the gun but not the mag release on the bottom. I ended up selling it due to the mag release. A year or two later I attended a seminar at a local sheriffs office. We were able to shoot the M13 and M8 as well as the HK rifles. I was able to buy a M13 at law enforcement pricing. It cost me a little over $ 400.

When I went to semi auto pistol instructors school I used my M13. Never had a hiccup with it. Not long after my department finally allowed autos for carry. (We had to buy our own.) We were going through the police accreditation process. I wrote our firearms policy to allow for the P7's. We didn't want to allow single action. So I copied the New Jersey State Police policy as they used M8's. NJSP are the ones who milled off their logo when they got rid of the HK's. They reportedly had a minor uprising when the state wanted to replace them with Glocks. The state relented and purchased Sig Sauers which satisfied most of the troopers.

As the head instructor for our department and academy I taught a conversion course from revolver to semi auto. Some students seemed to not quite understand my example of decocking with the P7. I then used my Sig P228 and that seemed to help them.

During this period I had gotten married and needed a bigger house. I sold my P7M13 for $ 1300 with 6 mags and a Desantis pancake holster. If I had only known.
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If what they say about ruthless German efficiency is even half true, he/she is never going to need a reload.
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I got both pistols purchased at a very reasonable price.
I'm quite sure I will like & keep the Sig P210.
The H&K is questionable as I can barely rack the slide.
Hoping the new owner of the indoor range get it re-opened soon!
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Congratulations but we’re going to need pictures
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I need to share just one of many examples of "I should have been slapped". Five years ago, I could have bought a set of three from a local estate for $1800.00.
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Will do later today
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I had a friend who looked at one hard before he bought one. He was at a Boise, ID training session, when Massad Ayubb told him the main disadvantage was that if hit in the strong hand the weak hand could be too weak to cycle it and squeeze cock it. Dave answered him respectfully he said, but he was fond of declaring as a natural lefty "I don't have a weak hand". Congratulations on your purchase, I hope you continue to be happy with it.
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Pictures as promised. Both gun have 2 magazines and original cases and paperwork.
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You bought two nice examples of iconic European pistols. Can't argue with that. You just needed a Steyr GB to complete the set.
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You bought two nice examples of iconic European pistols. Can't argue with that. You just needed a Steyr GB to complete the set.
Hey, I LOVE my Steyr GB...but I'm not certain if I'd label it as "iconic"...seeing as most people are unaware of it.

Now, if you want to collect iconic European pistols...you'd probably want to include a Luger, a Walther PP, PPK, P5, P38/P1, and *maybe* a P88...a Sig Sauer P6/P225, an H&K VP70Z, a FN Hi-Power...and probably a Glock 17. If you'd want to include Eastern Europe, then you'd also likely want a Makarov (ideally...one each EG, Russian, and Bulgarian), a CZ82/83, maybe a CZ50, and a CZ75.

Now that I look at this list...I *really* need to get a Luger, and a H&K VP70Z!
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Good for you, Ms. PG. The P7 has been more than adequately covered here.
I wanted to point out that your Sig looks to be extremely unique. That has the original interior action, with the safety forward of the grip. However, it has the current upswept beavertail on the frame to prevent hammer-bite. Look at the those in the array posted by Classic12, and you will see what I mean.
I have NEVER seen a P210 like that.
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I think the ones in Classic12's picture are the older ones, Swiss mfg. Mine is German.
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I think the ones in Classic12's picture are the older ones, Swiss mfg. Mine is German.

That is correct, you got a modern German made Sig Sauer P210, nice gun but not an old vintage Swiss made

1949 P49 (210-1)
1956 P49 (210-2)
1952 210-4 (German border protection)
1978 210-1 in 7.65 mm Parabellum (civilian)
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Finally got to shoot the P7, like you all said amazingly accurate! Best groups I've ever had shooting a new to me semi-auto. It is a keeper for sure. Do need to work on my hand strength tho.
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