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Old 11-20-2020, 10:46 AM
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Wink Kids today have it good when it comes to the AR-15.

Seriously, damn kids today have it GOOD when it comes to AR-15s. The selections are out of this world. So many manufacturers and setups. You guys have braced pistols, midlength gassed carbines, light as hell free float rails, amazingly cheap quality optics, finishes and coatings that rival stuff in science fiction, and such an array of quality magazines.

Back in the day during the height of the AWB. Our options were limited. 20rd and 30rd preban magazines were usually $30+ and the only options in magazines was either GI Aluminium, Thermolds, Isralei Orlites, and junk. In my personal experiences. The Israeli Orlites were ****. The only mags I stocked up on were GIs and US made Thermolds; the Canadian made ones were **** since the Canucks changed the polymer formula.



Honestly, back then, American made Thermolds were the Pmags of the decade.

AR-15 layouts and options were also mighty scarce. You had pre-bans like the Colt SP1 Rifle and Carbine or newer made guns like the A2 HBARs hitting the scene.



Other than that. You were limited to post ban guns. If you wanted a carbine; good luck because like this unless you had a pre-ban rifle you can swap out parts on. If you didn't, all you had were options like this. Oh, and hope you had good hearing protection because that Mini-Y Comp and AK Muzzle Brake were the devil. A2s were verboten.



I happen to own a Ban Era Bushmaster Carbine that was a LE Letterhead gun. It is exactly the same as the Bushmaster Shorty AK Rifle. Only difference is my XM15-E2S Shorty Rifle has a A2 flash hider and a bayonet lug. It is a pig of a rifle with its 1/9 HBAR but it is a hell of a shooter too. It also cost $1,000 new back then too.



Colt came out with similar guns too like their Match Target Model 6731. A 16: HBAR Cabrine with a fixed A2 Stock and a A3 Reciever.



If you wanted to trick out your ARs; well. Your options were fairly limited. Red dots while in existence weren't cheap and mounting options weren't as varied as they are today. Same with lights. You had a few options and most of them were simply 60 lumen Xenon bulb Surefire 6Ps or Streamlight Scorpions. Tape switches were magic.



If you had cash to throw, you could send your gun to someone like Ted Yost. He'd cut off the carry handle and install a sight rail so you can mount a red dot optic and put on a free float aluminium tube as your handguard. Other than that. You were limited to a 60 lumen light and maybe a three point sling.



Seriously, you guys have options like this today and you can get them for a hell of a price before the panic and can still build 'em for a cheaper price than what you got in the 90s and early 00s.



If you want a basic M4 Cabrine, they're usually $500 or less (barring panics) thanks to places like Palmetto State Armory.

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I came of legal age during ban era. I also lived in CT which had/has its own "AW" ban. The Fed ban eliminated features, and the state ban addressed specific branded products. What I wanted was an early SP1 (back then no one wanted the old A1 stuff any more), but couldn't have one, and couldn't make a clone. The only way to get what I wanted was to purchase a transferable M16A1. So I did...and I just realized I have no pictures of it...shame on me. Funny part is in CT you can't have select fire because then it meets the definition of an "Assault Weapon" in CT, which are illegal. As a result, the M16 needed to be only safe and Full. I learned fairly recently had I registered it as an Assault Weapon back in 2013, like I had to with MY Colt MT6601C, I could have restored it to the original operating configuration of select fire. Who comes up this time wasting non-sense? Anyway, I remember back in the late 90's and early 2000's CDNN had NIB Colt RO603 A1 uppers for $349.99 and NIB Colt / Diemco RO750 LMG uppers for $499.99. My how times have changed.

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Nice post and great pics! Oh, and don't leave out all of the cool colors other than black. lol Necessity is the mother of invention....
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I still have a "post ban" Bushmaster Dissipator. It came sans bayonet lug and threaded barrel. As soon as the ban sunsetted I sent the barrel off to be threaded. Still a heck of a carbine.

And while i m at it: "Hey, you kids get off my lawn!"
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Not just the kids, but us old timers have it pretty good too nowdays. I remember looking for my first AR back in the early 80s. Not much to choose from. Colt was it. And they were about $200 more than a Mini 14. So I bought a Mini 14. Now it's the other way around. New Mini 14s are priced out of my range, but ARs were relatively cheap...before Covid.
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You could even, as I did, accumulate parts when on sale and put together a rather well spec'd AR for ~$300 - if you are patient.
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Necessity isn't the Mother Of Invention - money is! There is absolutely NO need for a pink AR-15, but someone somewhere had the money for one...
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Rifle's are rifle's, and minute of moose doesn't cut it.
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I used to be a bit of an AR snob. I came up in the USMC with the M16A2 and now, as a weekend warrior, get to tote a M4A1.

Over ten years ago I was into HK clones, some alternatives to ARs, and 20" barrel guns, and almost never shot at close range. I'd see guys with 16" guns hammer away at the local range at 50 or 100 yards, get most of their rounds on paper, and they'd be pretty proud of themselves. I thought it was pretty stupid. And don't get me started with the dudes shooting washing machines and TVs out in the woods.

But I had an epiphany. It's their gun, it's their life, why should it bother me? So...it no longer does, even if I only own one 5.56mm rifle with a barrel shorter than 20", and it's not even close to being an AR (though it does take the mags).

The kids do have it pretty good...I just hope it lasts. The next AWB will be both retroactive and permanent.
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Consider this:

In 2000 I bought my first AR, a Bushmaster M16A2 clone. At the time your choice was basically Colt (funky pins), Bushmaster, or Armalite. The Bushmaster was at the time a well made rifle.

But I paid $900 for it. In 2020 dollars that's about $1500. It was a major purchase. The idea of being able to buy a good basic AR for $499 (pre-panic), e.g. Smith Sport II, was unheard of.

The whole entry-level AR market (Smith, Ruger, PSA, etc) didn't exist. You forked over for "ABC" or you did without.
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Pffftttt. How are they going to enforce it? The country as an low estimate of 300 million guns in circulation. There's less than 890k cops nationwide scattered between fifty statesz five territories, one federal district, and a number of overseas assignments like embassies. Plus if you include the military you have maybe 2 million nore warm bodies. And that's counting EVERYONE. Every full timer, part timer, reservist, desk jockey, administrative staff, evidence tech, cook, mechanic, etc, etc, etc for both LE and the Mil.

They literally don't have the manpower and time to do it. And that's not even counting the honest truth that not everyone will enforce it for a number of reasons.

1. Some simply will refuse.
2. Others can't due to how reality works. You need paper pushers to do work while others enforce stuff.

So the actual manpower pool is much smaller.

The laws in this nation aren't really enforced, they're simply complied with by most since most are law abiding. Look at dope, been illegal forever. That hasn't stopped it.
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But I paid $900 for it. In 2020 dollars that's about $1500. It was a major purchase. The idea of being able to buy a good basic AR for $499 (pre-panic), e.g. Smith Sport II, was unheard of.

The whole entry-level AR market (Smith, Ruger, PSA, etc) didn't exist. You forked over for "ABC" or you did without.
I have a LE letterhead Colt 6721 and it was purchased brand new in 2000 and it is a normal receiver and FCG pins.
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Pffftttt. How are they going to enforce it? The country as an low estimate of 300 million guns in circulation. There's less than 890k cops nationwide scattered between fifty statesz five territories, one federal district, and a number of overseas assignments like embassies. Plus if you include the military you have maybe 2 million nore warm bodies. And that's counting EVERYONE. Every full timer, part timer, reservist, desk jockey, administrative staff, evidence tech, cook, mechanic, etc, etc, etc for both LE and the Mil.

They literally don't have the manpower and time to do it. And that's not even counting the honest truth that not everyone will enforce it for a number of reasons.

1. Some simply will refuse.
2. Others can't due to how reality works. You need paper pushers to do work while others enforce stuff.

So the actual manpower pool is much smaller.

The laws in this nation aren't really enforced, they're simply complied with by most since most are law abiding. Look at dope, been illegal forever. That hasn't stopped it.
Yep, and we end up with "Irish Democracy".
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If I remember right it was about 1990 when Olympic arms was the manufacturer that was making really accurate A.R. 15‘s promoting them as target rifles. I think they even had flattops that were ready for a scope and I remember in the 1980s the AR was basically thought of as a pie plate group size gun at 100 yards.
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The only problem with the non-compliance angle is that while they don't have the manpower to track down us newly minted miscreants, which of us is going to be foolish enough to take them out of the safe and down to the range? You first?

All of mine will end up in a "boating accident" before I turn them in or pay a $200 NFA fee, but that will just mean that I won't get a chance to enjoy them.
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This will be unpopular but...

I have to say I hate the AR platform after the "AR pistol" became a thing. Every other guy at the range has a "pistol" that he blasts away with. They are incredibly loud and useless garbage IMO, and I'd be much happier if they were not allowed.

I hate them. I truly hate them.
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We won't think that these days are better if and when we see them added to the NFA and a $200 tax each for both the rifle and the > 10 round magazines.
I saw on the news this morning ... the plan is if you own 1- AR15 and 4 - over 10 round magazines , it will cost $1,000.00 to get them legally registered so you can keep them .
I can only hope my Ruger 10/22 is exempt .

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Now they even have modular flower pots for Post-Ban rifles:

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Kids have it so good...

Especially with Dadís who let them shoot.
An AR with a ďcanĒ and Plus the
18Ē barrel with a mid length gas system.
It is a super mild recoil like a 22lr.


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