For those that have this , please weigh in. I would like to get one in 40. Thoughts please.

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I had an older 2000 .40 being recoil operated it slapped pretty good. It was the only .40 anything I owned so I sold it. I got a new gen two 9mm I had for awhile. I liked it a lot better, used g19 mags. It was just a toy to me so I sold it after about six months. I have a SU22E that I have held on to and will keep that one. To me an AR with a 14.5 or 14.7" pinned barrel and collapsible stock is much more practical. I guess if you had a .40 that took the same mags, that would be some benefit.

I don't know about the .40, but I've shot my brother's new and older 9mm which take the Glock mags. I was very impressed ! We were using 32 rd. glock mags and all was smooth sailing.

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I have a Gen 1 in 9mm. Fun to shoot but you go through ammo VERY quickly and need to get a good cheek and shoulder fit (or suffer bruises per post #2). I also had (now sold) a Gen 1 in 40SW. Not really any difference from the 9mm in my opinion.

I had an older Gen 1 in 9mm. I like the concept, and it was fun to shoot, but not for too long. The stock is just a tube, so there’s no good place for your cheek, and I can believe those that that say the .40 recoil is pretty stiff. I sold mine and just recently bought an ATI 9mm AR rifle. It takes Glock mags like the KelTec, and even better, it will take a Glock 26 mag, one of my favorite carry pistols. . .

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IMO Kel Tec guns are garbage. Interesting designs but horrible manufacturing standards.

I shot a Sub 2000 9mm and it is so small I found it really hard to "get down on it".

The Sub2000 folds up nicely for storing in a get home bag. Paired with the sidearm which uses the same mags, hard to go wrong.

Yes, they're horrible; that's why you can never find any for sale, new or used, and when you do the price is above MSRP. Everyone wants horribly manufactured but innovative guns.

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Interesting on your take on 2000. Got tell ya my experience with 9mm , 380, and 32 hand guns all are 8 to 10 years old all bought new all have thousands of round threw zero failures to date. I have many other brands too . But KelTec has been fine for me. I grew up and lived less than 20 minutes from where their built.

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I have a second generation Sub 2000 in 9mm, takes Glock mags. I like the convenience, portability, 33 round capability. It does sacrifice some ergonomics to achieve other features. I added a homemade recoil pad, padding on the tube stock, aftermarket bolt handle.

Yeah, KelTecs are garbage. That's why I own, in addition to the Sub 2000, a P11, P3AT, PMR 30, P32, PF9. Haven't had a problem with any of them.

Some who denigrate Kel Tecs have never owned or shot one.

Subs are not garbage. They have a reputation for reliability. Mine takes Glock 33 round mags and works 100%. It sits under my car seat in case of dire need.

I'd skip the .40 and get the 9mm. .40 limits you to 22 rounds and kicks more. 9mm gives you 33 rounds and kicks less.


Things to know:

1. Feed it lighter, hotter rounds with rounded profiles. Mine refuses to feed 147 grain flatnose stuff. 147 also is too weak and runs the action sluggishly. I use Q4318 NATO and it works fine.

2. The rear peep sight is too small for combat. From the factory it is 3/32". Drill it out to 1/8" for much quicker front sight acquisition.

3. Get a 3/8" hardwood dowel to aid in re-assembly after field stripping.

4. These are blowback guns that run dirty, so expect that.

5. Mine works fine with either brass or steel case ammo. Aluminum case should be avoided in blowbacks.

6. There's plenty of aftermarket stuff available, e.g. MCARBO and others.


7. There are two types, Glock only and interchangeable. Glock only comes in two varieties, G19, and G17. Mine's the G17 which I like because the grip is bigger than G19. But if your carry gun is G19 the mags will match up. The interchangeable kind lets you use Beretta, Sig, M&P by changing the magazine release part.


I paid $349 for mine, pre-panic. I think that's a bargain. Although they are reliable, I don't think they are durable, i.e. I wouldn't put 50,000 rounds through one like it was a Colt or BCM AR.

I think of mine as a sort of enhanced handgun. Fires pistol round, but 30 of them, and is shoulder-fired therefore more accurate. Cool to have on hand when the Gang of Five drops in. If that happens, the Sub surfaces.

I had a first Gen several years ago. As Muss mentioned it was difficult to get a good cheek weld. But other than that it was a fun gun to shoot.

If you want a folding carbine that’s easy to carry or store then the 2000 is great. Makes a good truck gun. Otherwise I would recommend an AR platform. The recoil with a pistol caliber AR is less noticeable.

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To benefit the NRA. I was showing that thing to people all day. Not my cup of tea, but nothing really wrong with it. They only thing that I did not like was that it was a bear to rack the slide on that thing.

Had a gen 1, shot it a bit, sold it. at 6'3 with long arms, just a really poor fit, all hunched over trying to sight it. Switched to a Ruger PC, more comfortable, more accurate...eventually sold that as well, just as much fun with a 10/22 and cheaper to run..

Had a Gen 2 in 9mm. It functioned OK but it did not fit me at all. So I sold it when the pandemic started and bought a Ruger PC in 9mm. Much better for me.

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mine uses S&W 59 series mags, likes 147gr. bullets and it takes some time to get use to, but it works and is an oddity in firearms. Don't shoot it as much since I got the Ruger PC 9, the problem with these 2 rifles is that you will go through the ammo...

I bought a new gen 2 in 9mm using S&W M&P mags last year. Gave it a good cleaning and exam and a lube job. Put an EoTech and a Streamlight on it for its intended use. Then over multiple range sessions put 500 rounds through it with no additional cleaning and lube. Accuracy is good and had no malfunctions of any kind. I was rather surprised that for a blow back it was rather clean inside the action.

So yes, I'm happy with mine.

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Had the non-Glock .40 version a few years ago. The Subs set up for other-than Glock magazines are easily convertable to other brands (SIG, Beretta, S&W) by swapping out the magazine catch to match one's sidearm.

The Glock version is only for Glock mags, but is easier to find for sale.

As mentioned above the cheek weld is not the best, but the gun was interesting and fills a niche, I suppose. Mine was reliable, fun to shoot. I decided the gun didn't really do anything -- for me -- I coudn't get done with an AR better. Traded it for what I paid for it.

As much a novelty item (concealable carbine) as anything. Interesting and tempting design,but as mentioned not so durable to my eye, by the time that you put the extras on to be as useful as a handgun (for me), it is no longer foldable and costs twice as much. I took a close look for the design, but eventually passed. Get what you want and enjoy it, but I would take a cold shower if necessary and move on. Definitely shoot one before you buy. Maybe if it were built better.

Mine runs 100%. Offhand firing fairly rapidly I can make a fist sized group at 50 feet. I can shoot it much faster accurately than a handgun. It carries 30 rounds. It folds and fits into a laptop bag, small backpack, or under a car seat. In 4 or 5 seconds I can unfold, stick in a magazine, and charge the handle.

It's built well enough to do all this. Box stock, except for drilling out the peep sight, it is more useful than any handgun.

They are butt ugly. Not really comfortable to shoot.
But they are reliable, and surprisingly accurate. I have a gen 1 and a gen 2. Both 9mm.
As several have said, good to stash in a bag of some sort, with a couple of loaded 22 or 30
or whatever round magazines, and you have a fine “get me home” weapon. Excellent piece to make
a hell of a racket, put a lot of rounds down range, and make heads duck while you hightail it out of there.
It isn’t something I would spend a lot of money on aftermarket stuff.

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But I wouldn't call them garbage. They work and they are fun to shoot as will as being cheaper to shoot pistol rounds over rifle rounds.

I compared it to a Hi Point and didn't care for the feel of that one.

At the time I bought my Gen 2 there weren't many PPCs around. Now Ruger and Baretta make one if you want something a little more 'substantial'.

Being blowback operated, my 9mm has a bit of a jolt on firing. I suppose that would be a bit more with a .40.

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I have a 1st Generation SUB2000 that is compatible with a GLOCK 22. I got it over a decade ago and it is still going strong.



The recoil is a little on the heavier side but it is completely controllable. I had no problem hitting steel at 100 yards with it. Kel-Tec is innovative and their stuff works for the most part. I my 1st Generation P32 is still a good deep cover gun after 20 years.

DO NOT SHOOT ALUMINUM CASED AMMO THROUGH IT. The manual flat out says not to.

I stupidly did and had an out of battery experience. It blew out the floor plate of the mag and dumped the rounds. The SUB2000 itself was completely fine.

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I have had one of the .40 Glock mag Gen 2 models since they came out. Quite honestly probably the last firearm I would part with. Jack of all trades, but a master of none. Good, reliable, and versatile.

Wow, that is a bargain. I bought a Gen2, no panic, but there weren't deals to be had, so I paid more than that. Funny, they had .40s all over the place but few 9mms.

And I'm nuts about carbines, period and I can handle one much faster and more accurately than with any other gun. I can hip shoot and snap shoot like nobody's business. I grew up with one and shot the sh..., well I shot it a lot. And being pistol caliber is perfect for close in stuff.

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Pretty cool to do this with. Easier to shoot with an expensive red dot on it.
Larry

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I really considered buying one. I have a lot of Glock mags. But, I shot my buddies gun, it took the Glock 19 mags.
I couldn’t stand the gas and pop in my face. The slide slamming under my cheek.
My right ear was numb from the percussion. I always wear double ear protection too. I did not enjoy shooting that carbine.

Papa

just pickd up a Gen 2 (Glock 19mag)... cool piece

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Sure is. Grab a couple of 33s and do the rear sight mod. You'll be ready to repel gangstas.

I have one too - Gen 2, G17 model.
If it wasn’t for the folding, it would be a lousy gun. The cleverness of the design is cool, but it isn’t much fun to shoot.

Terrible trigger, tooth jarring recoil and I have struggled with the mag catch on my particular Sub2k. I believe people who say they have good Keltecs and good Sub2ks, but it will be a crapshoot to get one.

No experience here with that model but ..... this PLR-16 is lots of fun and totally reliable.