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Weapons of Our Opponents, #3 Iraq
I had nothing to do with the liberation of this one. In fact, I purchased it at the Farmer's Market gun show many years back and it has been in my collection ever since. The Tariq is a licensed copy of Beretta's 1951. Oddly enough the take-down lever (see right side close up) is marked in English. It was popular in Iraq, as you Desert Storm vets know and was issued to Sadum's (Bush's pronunciation) Republican Guard. No paper work on this one either, so I'm guessing it was spirited into the U.S. by other than proper channels. I like the 7th century Persian guy on the medallion.
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A friend had the Egyptian Helwan version. With normal 9mm Lugar NATO ammo, the slide rails would bend (in about 200 rounds. After 4 or 5 trips to the bench vise, to straighten the rails. He decided to sell it to someone he didn't know, before the slide broke from fatigue! We figured the Egyptians must have used the old Glensiti loading of 9x19 (a little less powerful than good 380 ammo!).
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Any idea what those "hieroglyphics" say? I bought one of those I think last year from the surplus batch with the 1976 stamped on it. It's a remarkably good shooter, for me, at the 25 yard line. (Meaning I can hit the target at least!) Just wish I'd had spent the extra for a second mag. I think DK still has some left. Nice guns. I only own 3 Berettas and all 3 were surplus, I think from Italian police and/or prison. That medallion looks pretty cool.
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Any idea what those "hieroglyphics" say? I bought one of those I think last year from the surplus batch with the 1976 stamped on it. It's a remarkably good shooter, for me, at the 25 yard line. (Meaning I can hit the target at least!) Just wish I'd had spent the extra for a second mag. I think DK still has some left. Nice guns. I only own 3 Berettas and all 3 were surplus, I think from Italian police and/or prison. That medallion looks pretty cool.
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Don't know what the slide markings say. I guess I need someone who reads farsi (?).
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That’s a cool piece.
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02-25-2021, 01:35 PM
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That's Arabic, not Farsi.
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02-25-2021, 01:45 PM
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Any idea what those "hieroglyphics" say?
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From a Google search:
Iraqi Tariq pistol produced in the Qadissiya Establishment.
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02-25-2021, 01:50 PM
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I like the 7th century Persian guy on the medallion.
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Seems to be Tariq ibn Ziyad, the Berber governor of Tangier, who conquered Visigoth Hispania, modern day Spain and Portugal 711-718.
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02-25-2021, 02:11 PM
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From a Google search:
Iraqi Tariq pistol produced in the Qadissiya Establishment.
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That's Arabic, not Farsi.
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I have a hard enough time with English!
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Originally Posted by Retired W4
I had nothing to do with the liberation of this one. In fact, I purchased it at the Farmer's Market gun show many years back and it has been in my collection ever since. .... It was popular in Iraq, as you Desert Storm vets know and was issued to Sadum's (Bush's pronunciation) Republican Guard....
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Since this subforum is Firearms & Knives:
I had nothing directly to do with the liberation of this one either.
A former student, who was nothing but trouble in class and ultimately got expelled, joined the military, straightened out, deployed to Iraq from 2003 to 2005, and brought me this back as a souvenir. Said I was his favorite teacher because I was into military history. It still has desert dust in the nooks and crannies.
No stampings on blade or handle, just the painted circle and what looks like an inverted 7. Anyone know whether the Iraqis manufactured those locally or got them from Russia or whatever Eastern nation supplied their AKs?
PS: So I‘ve been careless or blind these past 15 years. On the back of the scabbard I just discovered these numbers. The 1 is rendered European-style. But 1946 seems awfully early for an AK bayonet.
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The number on the sheath could be
7
5
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5
8
Depending on which way is up.
See attached for "Arabic Numbers"
I was surprised that the serial number on the OP's pistol are Western Numerals, not Arabic.
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That is one fine bring back. One thing I failed to mention on my Russian ballistic knife (different thread) is the mark on the butt of the handle. In English style: 581/80. The blade is marked with a triangle with what looks like a spear tip. I will edit with a photo.
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This is after the Iraq war. This is my son sitting in the middle of a pile of captured arms. Mostly AKs. He was over there looking for stuff for the DOD.
They are loading the semi in the picture.
This is a picture of an AK they found with a silencer. He said they didn't get to shoot it.
Lots of stuff to look through.
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Couple of Browning M1919s captured from some Iraqi bad guys. We had a lot of fun getting them working; the ammo was some LC stuff from the early 60's. Never know what'll pop up in Iraq.
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A friend of a co-worker found a case of new, un-issued, still packed in cosmoline, WW2 Thompsons. They had to be destroyed. We still have tears in our eyes. If he ever had to go back a second time, and found some nice Thompsons again, could he please wrap one in nice Christmas wrapping paper and mail it to us as a Christmas present.
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Those pictures remind me of Cambodia in the Spring of 1970, except there it was all under ground.
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Saw several of those in the south, in An Najaf Province. Never got to shoot one, though.
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I had BIL in Desert Storm who was in support outfit. He has pics of guns laying on the ground. There was an order that they couldn’t be picked up at all by unauthorized personnel. I don’t think they allowed our guys trophy’s.
I bought Helwan 9mm and several thousand rounds of Egyptian ammo. The pistol was junk. It was in cardboard box with extra mag marked by importer. That Egyptian ammo was loaded with dried camel dung for propellent. Weak and dirty, no way I would shoot it in a good pistol. In fact I just gave away the last 1000 or so. Kept one box for collection. I came in
little square boxes with rag head labels.
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Originally Posted by Retired W4
I had nothing to do with the liberation of this one. In fact, I purchased it at the Farmer's Market gun show many years back and it has been in my collection ever since. The Tariq is a licensed copy of Beretta's 1951. Oddly enough the take-down lever (see right side close up) is marked in English. It was popular in Iraq, as you Desert Storm vets know and was issued to Sadum's (Bush's pronunciation) Republican Guard. No paper work on this one either, so I'm guessing it was spirited into the U.S. by other than proper channels. I like the 7th century Persian guy on the medallion.
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Here's the Iraqi translation and incidental info from a colleague:
“Tarek , 9mm made in Alkadesia factory “
"Tarek is a brand of a gun used to be made in Iraq and used to be given as a gift to people who are loyal to Saddam and alkadesia is a government owned factory used to make rifles ( like the iraqi version of AK 47 called Tabook ) and hand guns ."
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That is one fine bring back. One thing I failed to mention on my Russian ballistic knife (different thread) is the mark on the butt of the handle. In English style: 581/80. The blade is marked with a triangle with what looks like a spear tip. I will edit with a photo.
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That's an Izhmash stamp, indicating that knife was made in the famed "Russian Arms Factory Izhmash", which has has served as the nation’s arsenal for more than 200 years.
Russian Arms Factory Izhmash – Tactical Life Gun Magazine: Gun News and Gun Reviews
Check out this stamp on a modern AK-74 bayonet bakelite sheath. You can also find it on Russian AK-47, AKM and AK-74 rifles and magazines.
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