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Old 03-03-2021, 02:20 PM
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As a resident of Oregon, we can acquire suppressors. Never had one before, as where I've been before they were not legal, so I'm thinking about it.

I understand they are not Hollywood quiet, even with subsonic ammo, and that a $200 tax stamp and about a year-long wait for approval are required.

Still, I am intrigued, and am considering it. I suppose primarily for the cool factor, and perhaps the occasional discreet dispatch of an animal pest without overly disturbing neighbors. Other than that, target shooting.

I'm thinking rimfire. Perhaps both a rifle and a pistol, or perhaps one or the other. I like the idea of an integrated barrel, primarily for cosmetic reasons, but am not wedded to it.

So whatta ya guys have and how do you like 'it? Pix appreciated.
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Old 03-03-2021, 03:16 PM
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The wait is less now, I would expect six months. Dedicated rimfire suppressors are great. Light weight, small, and inexpensive (except for the stamp). For center fire pistol consider a 45 caliber can with interchangeable pistons. You can use it on everything from 22 rimfire to 45 ACP. Some brands like Rugged authorize their use on subsonic rifle applications too. Also check the cost of accessories which can drastically change the price calculations.
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Suppressors are cool. That is the 75% solution for me, but they also make shooting all around more pleasant. I think your use cases are realistic.

I got a Centerfire 9mm on a Form 4, a traditional vendor purchase. Pistols are so so, but real fun on a carbine. I purchased one of the 9mm suppressors that could be used with .22 rimfire to .300 Blackout subsonic for maximum flexibility. That .22 inclusion made it a bit bigger/heavier/older... Doubtful on the .22 options value after a couple of years. The Form 4 took 14 months or so, but that is a dated timeline.

That did lead me towards an integral 5.56 upper built as a Form 1 home brew. Highly recommended as it makes the 5.56 blastiness much more tolerable. I still wear hearing protection, but simply earplugs instead of doubling up. The suppressor is built around a .30 cal core in this case, which is a bit less efficient, but allows me to use a variety of other rifle cartridges if desired.

The Form 1 process is not too complicated and gets much easier after the first try. The ATF technology is rough, but all the staff seem to be decent folk and have helped when I stepped wrong. Form 1s are running about a month to be approved.
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I have several NFA Title II items including suppressors that I bought and supressors that I built.

In the past 20 or 30 years, the longest wait time I ever had on a Tax Stamp was 10 months, the quickest was 1 day shy of 4 weeks.

Wait time is nothing that you can believe a national chat group about. It varies greatly by how many examiners are assigned to your State. If you want to know how long it is going to take, call a dealer in your State and ask them.

My first can was a home built for the 22LR. It is larger than is necessary for a handgun or rifle, that is because I also wanted it to work on a 22LR SMG. It is very plain, I never even cerakoted this one. I have two interchangeable back ends so it will run on the old 1/2x28 connection like this Walther and I have a back end that is for a ghost threaded Ruger MK-II.



The truth is I have never purchased a rimfire can. They are too easy to build. It is just a muffler. Not like a handgun which in most cases will need a LID to help it cycle the action.

My 2nd homebuilt is about 1/3 shorter with a smaller tube diameter. I wanted it to match up with a Ruger 10/22 so it was even ceracoated in black. I had some fun with it and let my inner Maxwell Smart come to the surface. I put the can on my 22LR revolver



Of course it did not work, this was just for grins and giggles.

For centerfire handguns I bought an SWR Trident in 9MM and an Osprey 45. Both serve exceptionally well and bot units have intechangable back ends to increase connectivity





My next two suppressed firearms are going to be home built projects. One is an integerally supressed 300 Black Out bolt action rifle. I am also planning on making a can for my MP5/357 SMG
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I have had a RPB/S. W. Daniel's MAC-10 9mm suppressor since 1984, it has the oddball thread to screw on a MAC-10 9mm submachine gun (which I have sold) It is about 14" long 2" OD for the front 2/3 and 2.5" OD for the back 1/3. I made two adapters to fit 1/2"-28 and 5/8"-24 threads so I can use it on my AR's. Most more modern silencers are about half the size and about half the volume! There is no substitute for internal volume!!! When I shot it beside other high power silenced shooters, their $800 toys are loud! You will always have a super sonic crack, and you will always have the action sounds (think dry fire!) but compared to mine, they have lots a remaining "explosion noise". With 223 ball ammo, my gun sounds like 22 Long Rifle HV. With 220 grain subsonic 300 Black out, it sounds like dry firing! Which is how it sounded with subsonic 9mm too.

There is one other noise nobody seems to talk about: The sound of impact. Hitting most wooden and naked flesh targets, it sounds like a clap. Hitting sheet metal covered items, it sounds like distant hammer strikes, hitting steel plates it sounds like ringing a bell! Another noise associated with this is, the empties hitting the ground or wall. In full auto that can be a surprisingly great amount of noise! I highly recommend a brass catcher for any semi or full auto. (even for a 22!)

In the 1960's the standard was, suppressing any gun doubled (or more) the size group it shot. While you will change the point of impact, accuracy no longer seems to be affected in Bolt or semi auto guns.

When a silencer is "Rated" for a caliber, that only means that the cartridge won't blow your can up! To truly quiet something like 308, 30-06,300 Win Mag, It has to be "Engineered" for that cartridge.

My 338 Lapua Mag bullets will pass through my 9mm suppressor with no problem, but the pressure will damage in it short order! My guess is it wouldn't last 5 rounds! I don't shoot 308 in it either, for similar reasons.

I suggest you buy 2 while you are at it, one for center fire rifles and large handguns. And one for 22 rimfire handguns and rifles.

An interesting thing about silencers is, if they work correctly, there is no muzzle flash! The noise is in the hot gasses, no noise/no flash! If you see a flash there is extra noise!

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Old 03-03-2021, 03:49 PM
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I have DeadAir rimfire, when mounted on my bolt action the sound of firing pin dropping is louder then report with standard vel ammo
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! You will always have a super sonic crack, and you will always have the action sounds (think dry fire!) but compared to mine, they have lots a remaining "explosion noise". With 223 ball ammo, my gun sounds like 22 Long Rifle HV.

When a silencer is "Rated" for a caliber, that only means that the cartridge won't blow your can up! To truly quiet something like 308, 30-06,300 Win Mag, It has to be "Engineered" for that cartridge.


As Ivan says above, the engineered suppressor for the gun makes a difference. My older AAC is only rated for .308 length cartridges. I have a few black rifles in .223 and .30 caliber and shoot almost exclusively supersonic rounds through the AAC. I am very sound sensitive, will not shoot a .22 semiautomatic without hearing protection. With the AAC installed, I do not wear plugs or muffs unless at range where someone is shooting unsuppressed.

I love it for hunting! I have 2 brothers that hunt with me and I can tell you every time they shoot their unsuppressed guns, unless they are miles away. They don't hear me when I shoot at a blind 700 yds. away through brush.

Another plus is recoil reduction. I'm shooting 168 gr .308 bullets at 2,700 FPS and gun kicks a little more than a .22 magnum rifle.

Great starter gun for a kid is a .223 with adjustable stock and suppressor. Quiet, can move stock as they grow and don't kick as bad.

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You will never regret a suppressor purchase. If you go rimfire, be sure you get one that you can service yourself. My first one was an integral on a 10-22 and although very quiet - as in hearing the bolt go back and forth and impact of a bullet but I cannot take it down for cleaning.
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Just bought 2, a Dead Air Mask HD in .22 and a Rugged Obsidian in 9mm. Now the wait begins.(my dogs are the main reason getting these, they flip out when they hear gunfire)

I already have a Sig SRD7.62Ti and it is super quiet on my 300 BlackOut. My wife can be on the front porch while I'm shooting off the back and she doesn't hear a thing, neither do the dogs.

Have you considered doing this using a trust? If not, you might check the advantages of having one.
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I have two SiCo cans, a Spectre II and an Osprey 45. Happy with both. The Spectre II sees use on a 10/22 and a Kimber 1911 slide while the Osprey 45 primarily sits on an AR45 I put together, but I have barrels/pistons for a Glock 34, Kimber 1911, and an aftermarket Glock 35 build.

There are some home FFLs/dealers that allow "conjugal visits" with your can, on their property, while you're waiting for the stamp to come back. Yes, it's a long wait but honestly the $200 isn't a big hill to climb anymore, hasn't been for 20-30 years really, hence the explosion of manufacturers since.







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In the meantime,ccis quiet rounds from a bolt action rifle are accurate at 25 yards and are no louder than a BB gun
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I have one, a Sig SRD-762 QD. I have muzzle devices for a Sig Rattler, 300 BLK, a 6.8, 10.5 inch AR and an FN PS-90 (SBR). Its great on the FN and the SIG (on the low gas setting). Since I shoot left handed the AR has quite a bit of blow back. The Rattler with 300 BLK subsonic is really quiet.

The tax stamp took 365 days exactly. I applied in June of 2018 and got it in 2019.

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I love the fact that a 22LR on a bolt rifle is in fact a silencer, all you can hear is the sound of the firing pin falling and the impact of the bullet. I have a buddy with a 308 who has developed a load with Trail Boss that is subsonic. same results, only the fall of the firing pin and sound of the bullet on the target.
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Find a class 3 dealer in Oregon and they can walk you through it, besides the $200 tax stamp per NFA item and 10-12 month wait, you will also need to submit fingerprints and mugshots. The paperwork is about three times as much as buying a gun from a dealer. I don't know where in Oregon you live but if there is a Northwest Armory near you, check them out.
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4 months 2 weeks, picked it up last week! I was very surprised.
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I'm about 8 months into my waiting period. I did a paper filing for the tax stamp with a Trust attached and that is the worst combination for a s-l-o-w process that there is. The Trust was necessary as the only way I could pass it on to my son when the time comes...
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2213 with SWR can

Barrett REC7 with AWC can

AR45 with SWR/H.E.M.S. II can

GLOCK 21 w/CT laser module & SWR/H.E.M.S. II

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Smith 22 with SWR can

SIG 220 with .22 conversion, GT grips & SWR can

Modified Rock Island XT22 with SWR can

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All these .22 are threaded for cans

There are more around that I have forgotten about. It's rare that a .22 sits around here without gettin' threaded

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Actually, you only need cci standard velocity (cheaper). I have been working with Silencer Central. Everything is done on line, they send you a fingerprint card, and they will set up a trust for free. Mine with a trust is done and should arrive any time. Took about 7 months. I have been really happy with their help and communication. Mine is for 223, but will work for 22lr. Other nice thing is that their line of suppressors are easy to self clean, which I am told is needed more often with 22lr's.
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Actually, you only need cci standard velocity (cheaper).
The Quiet's are noticeably quieter from a rifle, than the
standard velocity. Out of a pistol, not so much. Neither will
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I know I've mentioned this in a thread quite a while back, but some young dude, mid twenties-30 YO, had a tactical pistol at the range; don't know the caliber, but bigger than 9mm. He was pretty excited, as he finally got his silencer after the long wait. He got the attention of a few of us to witness his initial trial run of it. First without the muffler, then, after 1 1/2 years, he put it on. If there was any difference one would need a pretty accurate decibel meter. Dang, I wanted to cry for him, because I'm sure if he were alone he'd have cried, beet red faced & all.
Now, custom car exhaust manufacturers have a system that will simulate the exhaust sound for your engine and their available choices of exhaust. Does Silencerco or any other companies have anything like this?
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That sure does look unusual....

I guess it must deflect gas/blast back towards the rear of the gun.... Does it work well?
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If he was running supersonic ammo, then yes the supersonic crack is still quite loud. With subsonic ammo in a semi auto some noise also escapes through the ejection port. Subsonic ammo in a semi auto pistol is very much quieter than unsuppressed to my ears. No ear pro necessary unless there is a range-wide rule or unsuppressed guns nearby. Some cartridges that are normally subsonic (without paying for special loads) are 45 ACP 230gr, 45 LC, and 180gr 40 S&W. In a 3” barrel pistol most 22LR stays subsonic. Great for teaching new shooters without ear pro muffling the conversation.


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I know I've mentioned this in a thread quite a while back, but some young dude, mid twenties-30 YO, had a tactical pistol at the range; don't know the caliber, but bigger than 9mm. He was pretty excited, as he finally got his silencer after the long wait. He got the attention of a few of us to witness his initial trial run of it. First without the muffler, then, after 1 1/2 years, he put it on. If there was any difference one would need a pretty accurate decibel meter. Dang, I wanted to cry for him, because I'm sure if he were alone he'd have cried, beet red faced & all.
Now, custom car exhaust manufacturers have a system that will simulate the exhaust sound for your engine and their available choices of exhaust. Does Silencerco or any other companies have anything like this?
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... Some cartridges that are normally subsonic (without paying for special loads) are 45 ACP 230gr, 45 LC, and 180gr 40 S&W. In a 3” barrel pistol most 22LR stays subsonic...
That's great info, Dan. Have not seen that anywhere before. Thanks!

I'm intrigued by the 3" pistol option. Two questions re "most 22LR stays subsonic": Does the subsonic result depend on the LR ammo brand or the pistol type/model, or is it the combination of the two? Could you give examples of 3" pistols and LR ammo resulting in subsonic speeds?

Edited to add: I'm a revolver guy, so not familiar with semis. I did find a bunch of Ruger .22 pistols with 3.5" bbls, but not 3"...

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As far as I know all of the standard velocity 22LR will stay subsonic in a 3” barrel. At higher elevations that might change. I would avoid anything labeled HV. The S&W 2214, 422 and similar pistols are great candidates for cans because the low bore allows you to use the stock sights. Also on those models the barrel nut can be replaced by a threaded one without paying for a whole new barrel.
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Just paid for a Rugged Obsidian 45 at the LGS and they have a Silencer Shop kiosk that's like an ATM for ATF paperwork. Easy way to blow a grand. I just cofirmed my signatures via email and printed out my copy.

Also in play is adapters and such that the LGS sells at cost if you buy the silencer from them.
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22 lr subsonics from 16 inch bolt rifle with a decent suppressor is what i would term hollywood quiet, depending on first round pop. After that the loudest noise is firing pin/bullet hitting. IMO, quieter than a pumped air rifle.

20 in 308 bolt rifles can be amazingly quiet with heavy sub sonic rounds.

This is not from reading the internet.

Our private range lets me shoot outside of standard operating hours suppressed.
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Using subsonic ammo in the Maxium 9MM is quite a bit quieter than no silencer at all. 9mm standard ammo is somewhat quieter in the Maxium than in a gun without. The baffles can be shortened which will allow more noise.
The gun is front heavy and absorbs recoil well.
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Can anyone list the suppressed decibel levels for different calibers, starting with the 22 LR ? I know much depends on the suppressor, the ammo, barrel length etc.
I would just like to hear from you members with suppressors, and what you all think are the "average" acceptable decibel levels for a few different calibers.
In articles I read regarding suppressors, as well as ads for suppressors in different gun magazines, I've never seen or read anything about decibel level results.
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I have two rimfire suppressors. A Quest and a Gemtech Outback II.


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Find a class 3 dealer in Oregon and they can walk you through it, besides the $200 tax stamp per NFA item and 10-12 month wait, you will also need to submit fingerprints and mugshots. The paperwork is about three times as much as buying a gun from a dealer. I don't know where in Oregon you live but if there is a Northwest Armory near you, check them out.

My 1st suppressor was done with fingerprints and signed by the Police Chief of the City I live in and I also retired from the same PD.
My 2nd suppressor was done through a Trust and required no finger prints or signing by a Law Enforcement Official. Much easier to do it that way.
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The law changed. You no longer need the CLEO to sign anything. You send them notice of the application and if they have an objection they tell the ATF. (At least at the federal level).
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I have a silencerco hybrid 46. I wanted kind of a do it all large caliber suppressor for my first one but the main requirement was I wanted to shoot suppressed 45-70. When I stuck it in jail no one was making threaded lever actions yet but marlin had been talking about it. I wanted a dark series 45-70 but those never fully hit the shelves. Luckily I did snag the only 1894 CST my LGS got in. It was more than I wanted to spend but it’s a nice gun and it shoots great. I run a subsonic 180gr jacketed load under some unique. It’s pretty quiet but in a rifle it’s also quiet without the can.

Then last year I really lucked out. I won a Henry lever action rifle off a gun ticket. When I went to the LGS to see what they had it turns out they had a Model X 45-70 in stock! This is Henry’s new lever action with the side gate and a threaded barrel. I paid the difference in price which was like $30.

I worked a subsonic load with a 400gr Speer JSP and unique. This load is really quiet for how powerful it is. I also bought some Hornady sub-x but it is not as quiet or as accurate as the unique load.
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I've been thinking about subsonic loads out of my Ruger American .450 Bushmaster (threaded barrel) but they're more than my Osprey 45 would handle unless they were absolute wimp loads. I too want 400gr at 1000fps.
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Suppressors are indeed interesting. Depending on what you're shooting you may still want ear protection. One thing people don't think about is other shooters on the line with you. Unless they're shooting suppressed, you'll need ear protection. Only when your gun is quiet enough and there are no other unsuppressed shooters nearby are you able to go without hearing protection.
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I have a can for a .22, a full barrel suppressor for a 10-22, and another .30 caliber can for a Blackout. They work well and according to reports, help with accuracy. They're excellent and while I've shot a lot of rounds thru the two .22s, they're still quiet. Can't take them apart because they're sealed.

A movie that realistically shows the use of a silencer is Dinner Rush, looks like on a Walther/S&w P 22.
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I love it for hunting! I have 2 brothers that hunt with me and I can tell you every time they shoot their unsuppressed guns, unless they are miles away. They don't hear me when I shoot at a blind 700 yds. away through brush.
I have heard that European hunters think that hunting without a suppressor is rude. I can't prove it.....

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Actually, there are no advantages. This is why:

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ATF used to not require a CLEO sign-off for "entities". Not requiring them for individuals makes the use of an entity somewhat academic.

Maybe one advantage - the trust needs trustees and beneficiaries and trustees can be added, with this result:

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Not entirely true, offspring can pay another tax and so forth but the trust alleviates that problem.

A suppressed .22 pistol is so quiet (so is a suppressed Ruger 10-22) that all you really notice is the sound of the slide reciprocating and if you're shooting over cement you'll hear the brass hit the ground. The pop of the report of the pistol is quite nothing but for 9mms and .45s it's not quite so simple - they still sound like too much firecrackers as far as I'm concerned. Not so much the existence of a bang but the report can still be disturbing to others nearby. YMMV

Walther P-22 with Gemtech suppressor:



I have trust forms if anyone wants one. My two Class III items are in a trust - I've had them both a long time.
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The Trust became popular for one main reason and it had nothing to do with when you die. When it was a requirement for the local law enforcement to sign the forms many people had problems because the local LEO refused to sign. Many did not believe you should own items like these.
People found out the the Trust route did not require the LEO sign off. The Trust route did not require pictures or finger prints either.

Around 2 or 3 years ago they changed the law. They got rid of the requirement for you to get the LEO sign off which made it easier for the individual transferor. They then started to require the responsible person on the trust to submit a picture and finger print cards for the transfer so they could do the same type of background check as a non trust transfer.

The transfer of a NFA item upon your death has not changed in years, I don't know if it has ever changed. If you as an individual dies your heir will be permitted to inherit your item tax free. The problem comes when you do not leave the item to a specific person. For example, a man dies and his will says everything goes to his wife, or he has no will at all. If the wife gets it and wants the son to get it it is not as clear cut for the tax free transfer. If you die and wanted your buddy to get your $25,000 machinegun upon death he most likely will not get it tax free unless he is listed in the will.

I have been doing NFA paperwork for myself since 1991. I have done it as a gun store employee for about 3 years. It is a PITA. Trusts are the ones I hate the most because it requires more forms and I have yet to find a step by step guide that covers every question I have. When you call the NFA branch you get different answers on different days. For example, if you buy a machine gun and silencer at the same time do you need two or four finger print cards? It seems like it depends on the examiner, some will some won't.

The NFA branch has a way that you can go online to transfer items from dealer to dealer with online forms. When I was trying to do one last month I could not get one part to work, I found out that it does not work on Wednesdays. They could have put that on the screen but noooo, that would be too easy. Tried it thursday and still no go. Turns out that you have to answer one of the questions wrong for it to go forward. Not every time but sometimes it has to be wrong. They know there is a bug in the system but they can't fix it or don't have the will/money to.

Working in a store you see some of the things that can happen with NFA things. A common one it the person dies and years later the family wants to get rid of the item. First question, do you have the paperwork?
It can be done without it but it is so much easier with it. Sometimes the machine gun is a war bringback, never registered, sometimes it was but no papers can be found. To top it off the NFA does not keep track of records very well. They have told people that a machine gun was not registered which means it has to be turned in to the govt, but then the family finds the forms that prove it was registered. Another alternative to turning in a unregistered machine gun is to find a museum that will take it. They still have to do forms but it is a shame to destroy history.

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To the OP I recommend a .22 silencer that you can move from one host to another for your first one. With the 22 silencer you will see the biggest/most impressive results. Most of them are close in sound reduction performance to one another. One of the biggest things to consider is the maker, have they been around a while? Is their customer service top notch? How easy is it to clean? I just got a Dead Air Mask that I have not tried yet. After much research I got that one because it has been around a while and many people use it as a standard when evaluating new suppressors.
It's kind of like when you look at a semi auto 22 rifle, you ask how is it compared to a Ruger 10/22.

A word on 22 ammo. When I shoot high velocity in a pistol it will stay below the speed of sound with a 4.5 inch barrel most of the time. If I use standard velocity, barrel length normally does not matter as it stays below supersonic. Most standard velocity I have seen is solid point, if you need an expanding bullet most ammo labeled subsonic for 22 has a hollow point. They do have specialty ammo as others have mentioned such as Quiet by CCI, they have two types, Quiet and Quiet for semi autos. The first ones did not have the power to cycle the action on some semis.

I'm no expert on this stuff, I may have gotten something backwards, always verify, sometimes it is hard to catch the changes to the rules and regs.
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Thanks, wrhk33. That's quite comprehensive.

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In the meantime,ccis quiet rounds from a bolt action rifle are accurate at 25 yards and are no louder than a BB gun
This is a fact. I can fire a bolt action rifle with cci quiet ammo while standing just inside my family room at sliding door and my wife, in the living room will not hear it.
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CCI segmented subsonic rounds are extremely quiet (especially from bolt rifle), accurate and copper washed. Perfect for fairly close pest control.

While round availability certainly matters, have strong preference for copper washed over exposed lubed lead in 22 lr, and jacketed rounds in center fires.
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I have one .22 cal can. Sorta came by it by chance. A dealer friend of mine had just gotten his Class III SOT. At the same time a small company was trying to get started in the suppressor business and was offering their products at some really great prices. So I bought the .22 can just as sort of a favor.
I have a Buckmark and a 10/22 it'll fit on. Then when I got my Walther PPK/S .22 I bought the barrel adapter so it fits that too.
I like it, it works quite well. With SV ammo about all you hear is the bolt cycling. But honestly, cleaning the thing is a real PITA. I hardly ever use it.
The maker didn't survive and the can pretty much just sits in the safe. I tried to sell it once. I've discovered that there is almost no interest in a used .22 caliber can. I've told my sons that after I'm gone, if neither of them wants it, to just give it to BATF and be done with it.
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Suppressors are excellent. First if you decide to purchase, try to find a shop that will let you try out the cans. I have customers come over with their threaded host and have then shoot sub and supersonic. Be aware that temperature, proximity to buildings, trees, weather can all affect the sound. In regards to Integral rimfire . I would recommend Inovative Arms, in their 15-22, ruger 10-22, ruger pistols plus others. The integral 15-22 with standard ammo is close to TV quiet. Avoid the integral made by Ruger, it is useless, it sounds un-suppressed with sub sonic ammo. Inovative arms is great for integrals, liberty is great for handguns and for 30 cal or larger Lane LLC is top notch. 300 BO sub with their Titanium Scorpian King on a Rem 700, 20" is comfortable to shoot in the house without ears!! AVOID: witt machine and tool co, poor quality, terrible customer service. I bought 7 integral @ near 2K each , they are garbage. I just checked their site and they have pulled their integral uppers, good riddance! rebel silencers is another place to avoid, useless, inexpensive, aluminum. Their one 22 lr suppressor has the same sound as an unsuppressed weapon, I may send mine to ATF, just to get rid of them. Be Careful with video's, they do not always represent real sound. As an SOT ( Class 3) I have sought many, and price is not the defining point, I have had expensive quick detach that are of poor quality, but they have name recognition, while a screw on liberty at half the price is quieter on the same host, same ammo, same day. Many people will tell you untruths, listen to them yourself. Note the same can will sound different a 32F, 80% humidity, than same can at 70 F , 95% humidity in the same host with the same ammo in the same location. Be Safe
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When you do get the can(s),
be sure and put anti-sieze on
the end caps so they don't
freeze in place. I have a bud
in Kansas who had to send
his .22 can to SilencerCo to
get get it unfrozen.

.22 cans generate a lot of
vaporized lead that almost
acts like a crude powder
coat on the first couple of
baffles and where the end
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I have an Omega 300 from Silencerco. It’s a .30 cal. and full auto rated though I don’t use it that way. It is rated for use up to .300 Win. Mag. You can buy adapters for different threads so I use on everything from an 11.5” 5.56 AR up to a 24” 7mm Mag., a 25” M40A1 in .308 and quite a few in between. I still use ear plugs but all these guns are much quieter and the recoil reduction is significant. The versatility is great. Next up will be something for the .22. Buy one - you’ll love it, but I bet you won’t stop at one!
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A trust is not necessarily needed to handle the death of the owner. IF the items are listed in the decedent's will the NFA items can pass to the designated heir through a "Form 5" which is a tax free transfer. The recipient will still have to submit the form, fingerprints and photo, but no fee is required.
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There is a lot of good information in the above posts & photos.


Sound suppression is not really simple and involves a lot of different factors.



If anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole of information and data related to silencers you might want to take a look at the pewscience.com web site. It contains a lot of general and specific information.


PEW Science
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Since many of you that replied have several: Is it easier and faster to get a suppressor once you have been approved the first time?
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When you do get the can(s),
be sure and put anti-sieze on
the end caps so they don't
freeze in place. I have a bud
in Kansas who had to send
his .22 can to SilencerCo to
get get it unfrozen.

Thanks for the tip. I would never have thought of that. Just in time, should get mine in next couple weeks.

.22 cans generate a lot of
vaporized lead that almost
acts like a crude powder
coat on the first couple of
baffles and where the end
caps screw in.
Yes, have heard that those used on 22's need cleaning much more often. A good reason to get a owner serviceable suppressor.
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