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Old 03-26-2021, 04:49 PM
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You really should have bought one last year. Prices I've been seeing are about double now.

Bought mine years ago. One on the left has a 16" barrel.

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when I was running around South east Asia, we captured an AK 47.. We had 2 magazines and 3 of us took turns firing it.... Wow!.My responses I would only want one if I could shoot it a lot...Just to have one lying around isn't my idea of the enjoyment of owning a weapon.
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Yes, for at least the following reason:
The more semiauto, removable magazine-fed, pistol gripped rifles in circulation the harder it will be for the Anti's to argue that such arms are not in common use.
My advice -- purchase early and often (subject to the laws in your jurisdiction)
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I'm getting soo tired of people telling me what I need or don't need. So the last time someone said "people don't need an AR" I said "You are right, we don't need AR's. We need helicopters and miniguns!"

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Check the game laws!

In Colorado, you can’t hunt big game with a 5.56, (thankfully) nor can you hunt big game with a rifle with more than a 5 round magazine.
I am very familiar with game laws. I have also had the opportunity to hunt in other states.

The 5.56 is not the only caliber, and high capacity magazines are not the only magazines you can get.

Again, the AR15 has the versatility to take any north American game.

AR15 calibers:

.17 HMR
.17 Mach 2
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
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22 Grendel (wildcat) aka 224 Grendel
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.22 PPC
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.223 Remington
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.224 Kritzeck (wildcat of a .223 Remington with shortened neck)
.224 Valkyrie
.24 GPC
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.257 Ocelot (wildcat)
.25 GPC (wildcat)
.26 GPC (wildcat)
.27 GPC (wildcat)
.277 Wolverine (semi-wildcat)
.277 MSR (Dasher Wildcat)
.28 GPC (wildcat)
.30 American
.30 Carbine
.30 GPC (wildcat)
.30 Remington AR
.30 Sabertooth (wildcat)
.300 OSSM[5]
.300 AAC Blackout (7.62×35mm)
.300 Whisper[8]
.300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
.338 SOCOM (wildcat)
.338 Spectre (wildcat)
.350 Legend
.357 Automag (wildcat)
.358 SOCOM (wildcat)
.358 Yeti (wildcat)
.375 Stalker (wildcat)
.375 SOCOM
.400 AR (wildcat)
.40 S&W
.44 Automag (wildcat)
.44 Remington Magnum (wildcat)
.44 SOCOM (wildcat)
.440 Corbon Magnum (wildcat)
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 HAM'R
.458 SOCOM
.475 SOCOM (wildcat)
.499 LWRC
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
.50 SOCOM (wildcat)

In a single shot upper you caan have:
.338 Lapua Magnum - magnum rifle
.408 CheyTac (10.36×77mm) - rifle
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO) - anti-materiel rifle


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Why? Because someone told me I shouldn't.
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^^^You left out 9mm.....lol^^^
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^^^You left out 9mm.....lol^^^
Actually I left out all the metric calibers

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Unfortunately the answer is yes, you need an AR15.
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Having been in potential threat situations before with a bolt gun, that's really not a situation you want to find yourself in, especially with possible multiple aggressors.

OTOH, especially if you practice, a good lever gun can be a viable self defense tool and it doesn't appear to be overtly threatening.

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If you believe Joe Biden, the AR15 is the deadliest weapon this side of a scud missile. If you know better, you'd get a much more reliable and accurate semi auto rifle in case of the SHTF situation. Just one example, I have a few SKSs. The are far more reliable that an AR15 (judging by what I see at the range), built to last several lifetimes, far more accurate (again based on what I see at the range) and can easily accommodate 20 or 30 round magazines. At 100 yards, I will take the 7.62 Russian over the .223 any day of the week. This is just one example. Think about a Ruger Mini 14 or a Browning BAR, many others like these. Why rush to buy an AR15 style rifle when there are much better and accurate alternatives? As far as I am concerned let the dumb wads in Washington think they solved the violence problem by banning the AR15 clones.
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I never had an interest in an AR-15 but given the present situation in this country with a gun ban for semi auto assault rifles looming sooner or later do I need one? Should I buy an at-15 just to have one? It’s a AR-15 vs another handgun?
What would you do?
I am not a fan of black rifles. I like a good lever or bolt action. That said, I bought a few ARs a few years ago in case I got interested in them and they became illegal. Still haven't shot one. I would love to have a lever action 223. I really want a single shot thompson in 223.
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I bought my first one in the early 80’s. My reason was to piss off Diane.
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If you know better, you'd get a much more reliable and accurate semi auto rifle in case of the SHTF situation.

Just one example, I have a few SKSs. The are far more reliable that an AR15 (judging by what I see at the range), built to last several lifetimes, far more accurate (again based on what I see at the range) and can easily accommodate 20 or 30 round magazines.
Oh please! SKS is far more accurate than the AR? You need to go to a different range.

Oh by the way the AR easily accommodates 20, 30, 40, 60, 100 round magazines.

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At 100 yards, I will take the 7.62 Russian over the .223 any day of the week. This is just one example.
You are arguing between than .224 vs. 308. You should pick the AR-10 to make a fair comparison.

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Think about a Ruger Mini 14 or a Browning BAR, many others like these. Why rush to buy an AR15 style rifle when there are much better and accurate alternatives?
I spent most of a decade shooting the Mini-14 along with personally owning one. Is it reliable - yes. Accuracy at 100 yds. - no. I will put any of my AR-15’s against your Mini-14 any day of the week and leave you with enough spare change so you can buy gas to get home.

As for your comment asking why “the rush to buy an AR15” it means you have don’t have experience with it and don’t believe the Forum members that are posting their personal experiences.

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As far as I am concerned let the dumb wads in Washington think they solved the violence problem by banning the AR15 clones.
Thank you for sharing your position that the only guns you think should be legal is what you personally like...

er what makes you think the “dumb wads in Washington” are going to let you keep your guns after they have successfully banned over 11,000,000 privately owned ones?

er, er again what makes you think that the former owners of the 11,000,000 AR’s are going to support you keeping your guns when you would not support ours?

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Gosh, why did I just know I'd get that reaction. Look, I think if you love your AR15 you should get to keep it. I wasn't saying they should take it away or any other gun. My point is that this obsession with the "assault rifle" is just plain stupid. It is not rationale or based on anything other that making it the bogey man. And yes, my SKS can outshoot most factory AR15s. Obviously not an AR15 with a thousand bucks worth of upgrades.
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Being a levergun guy and old bolt action milsurp guy for eons.

Then after the Newtown shooting and all the horribly skewed rhetoric coming from the media and the govt, i decided to build one from a stripped lower.

It was fun.
I built a great little rifle, accurate, reliable, and with very little recoil.
I really liked it.

Now i have 5. All builds. One is built as a braced pistol and typically is shot the most using a .22lr conversion bolt. Its just heaps of good wholesome fun.

Im a believer and i bet you will be too. America's rifle.
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My point is that this obsession with the "assault rifle" is just plain stupid. It is not rationale or based on anything other that making it the bogey man.
Er...your SKS fits the anti’s definition of a “assault rifle.”

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And yes, my SKS can outshoot most factory AR15s. Obviously not an AR15 with a thousand bucks worth of upgrades.
Just to keep it fair I will shoot my least expensive AR against your $1,000 SKS. Heck just to give you the advantage I’ll let you pick which one of my AR’s to use.

Obvious the difference between you and I is our belief is what the 2nd Amendment really means.

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If you believe Joe Biden, the AR15 is the deadliest weapon this side of a scud missile. If you know better, you'd get a much more reliable and accurate semi auto rifle in case of the SHTF situation. Just one example, I have a few SKSs. The are far more reliable that an AR15 (judging by what I see at the range), built to last several lifetimes, far more accurate (again based on what I see at the range) and can easily accommodate 20 or 30 round magazines. At 100 yards, I will take the 7.62 Russian over the .223 any day of the week. This is just one example. Think about a Ruger Mini 14 or a Browning BAR, many others like these. Why rush to buy an AR15 style rifle when there are much better and accurate alternatives? As far as I am concerned let the dumb wads in Washington think they solved the violence problem by banning the AR15 clones.
I do like the 7.62x39, but I don't see any SKSs in any matches much less where accuracy counts....
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If you believe Joe Biden, the AR15 is the deadliest weapon this side of a scud missile. If you know better, you'd get a much more reliable and accurate semi auto rifle in case of the SHTF situation. Just one example, I have a few SKSs. The are far more reliable that an AR15 (judging by what I see at the range), built to last several lifetimes, far more accurate (again based on what I see at the range) and can easily accommodate 20 or 30 round magazines. At 100 yards, I will take the 7.62 Russian over the .223 any day of the week. This is just one example. Think about a Ruger Mini 14 or a Browning BAR, many others like these. Why rush to buy an AR15 style rifle when there are much better and accurate alternatives? As far as I am concerned let the dumb wads in Washington think they solved the violence problem by banning the AR15 clones.
This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements that I have read on here in a long time. Wow. A completely uninformed and uneducated reply.
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hello to all for me the AR15 is the typical American rifle, here in my country Belgium we love the black ar 15 and ar10 rifles there because when we shoot in our club it is a bit of your great country that resonates in our hearts,
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I am very familiar with game laws. I have also had the opportunity to hunt in other states.

The 5.56 is not the only caliber, and high capacity magazines are not the only magazines you can get.

Again, the AR15 has the versatility to take any north American game.

AR15 calibers:

.17 HMR
.17 Mach 2
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
.17-223
.20 Practical
.20 GPC (wildcat)
.22 GPC (wildcat)
22 Grendel (wildcat) aka 224 Grendel
.22 Nosler
.22 PPC
.204 Ruger
.222 Remington
.223 Remington
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.224 Kritzeck (wildcat of a .223 Remington with shortened neck)
.224 Valkyrie
.24 GPC
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.257 Ocelot (wildcat)
.25 GPC (wildcat)
.26 GPC (wildcat)
.27 GPC (wildcat)
.277 Wolverine (semi-wildcat)
.277 MSR (Dasher Wildcat)
.28 GPC (wildcat)
.30 American
.30 Carbine
.30 GPC (wildcat)
.30 Remington AR
.30 Sabertooth (wildcat)
.300 OSSM[5]
.300 AAC Blackout (7.62×35mm)
.300 Whisper[8]
.300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
.338 SOCOM (wildcat)
.338 Spectre (wildcat)
.350 Legend
.357 Automag (wildcat)
.358 SOCOM (wildcat)
.358 Yeti (wildcat)
.375 Stalker (wildcat)
.375 SOCOM
.400 AR (wildcat)
.40 S&W
.44 Automag (wildcat)
.44 Remington Magnum (wildcat)
.44 SOCOM (wildcat)
.440 Corbon Magnum (wildcat)
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 HAM'R
.458 SOCOM
.475 SOCOM (wildcat)
.499 LWRC
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
.50 SOCOM (wildcat)

In a single shot upper you caan have:
.338 Lapua Magnum - magnum rifle
.408 CheyTac (10.36×77mm) - rifle
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO) - anti-materiel rifle


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I believe every American has the RIGHT to own an AR-15!

I would suggest every American should read, as I have, the Federalist Papers which is a collection of 85 articles and essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay under the collective pseudonym "Publius" to promote the ratification of the United States Constitution. I have my own personal copy.

My personal tastes run more toward the Ruger Precision Rifle in .300 Magnum with a Nightforce.




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There is a very good reason a government would want a population unable to defend itself from an increasingly oppressive government...figure it out. Tyrants haven’t changed in 10,000 years...it’s always the same formula. The Founders figured that out and gave us the 2nd Amendment to protect the 1st Amendment.

In short...Yes, get an AR.


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There are other states that forbid 22 cal for " big game", so what? Get a 300 BO upper, 5 round mag, and appropriate load and hunt deer. Get an AR platform in .308 and hunt deer, bear, etc. So an AR can be used to hunt, target, self defense, just like any other firearm. You can get wood stocks if you prefer, but overall it is a useful firearm for many reasons for many people. Be Safe,
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I have no interest in ARs (or for that matter SKS or AK platforms) for my personal use. I don’t feel deprived by not owning one.

If they give you a warm feeling, have at it.
Try it you'll like it. I felt the same way about my Mini 14 and a few years later the LMT 224 val. They had a great sale. The mini was on clearance of the 581 series.
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hello to all for me the AR15 is the typical American rifle, here in my country Belgium we love the black ar 15 and ar10 rifles there because when we shoot in our club it is a bit of your great country that resonates in our hearts,
And what other rifle comes anywhere nearer to the definition of "Swiss Army Knife of Firearms" than the AR platform?
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Having been in potential threat situations before with a bolt gun, that's really not a situation you want to find yourself in, especially with possible multiple aggressors.

OTOH, especially if you practice, a good lever gun can be a viable self defense tool and it doesn't appear to be overtly threatening.
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I watched the riots during the Michael Brown fiasco and thought an AR would be very appropriate to have in a situation like that for defending yourself and your abode.
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Anyone have any idea how "platform" came to be a description for a gun? Is it the same as "chassis"?
Beats me. I seen it used in a lot of places within the context of your question.
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"There are other states that forbid 22 cal for " big game", so what?"
And many now that are changing that to allow 22 centerfire, just not 22 rimfire.
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Honestly, I have two ARs, and I consider them wasted money.

If I was in a gunfight, I'd rather have my .44mag Rossi 92 than either of my ARs.

Now that I think about it, I should sell the ARs while folks are still panic buying.
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I assume some people refer to the AR as a “platform” because there are so many different variations of it.
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"Platform" is just the language of the day, whether AR's, 1911's, revolvers, etc. You don't "use" a gun anymore evidently, you "operate" it. Heck you don't even "shoot" them, you "run" them.

It used to bug me, but I'm trying to be mellow. Things change.

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Did I need an AR? Of course not. Did I want an AR for my collection? You betcha and why not. I like my Sport II, it feels good in my hands and shoots well. I've kept it basic, adding a 2 point sling, a Magpul Mlok handguard and vertical grip, a red dot scope and some extra mags. Suits my purposes. Do I need another AR? Nope. Do I want another AR? Nope. One and done for me.
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"Platform" is just the language of the day, whether AR's, 1911's, revolvers, etc. You don't "use a gun anymore evidently, you "operate" it. Heck you don't even "shoot" them, you "run" them.

It used to bug me, but I'm trying to be mellow. Things change.

Ommmmmmm.

And don't get me started on using "gift" as a verb. Get off my lawn.
Bullet Bob - You have a lot of insight. I forgot about "operate" and "run". I'll continue to "use" and "shoot". I'll bet the newschoolers will figure out such archaic terminology.
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This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements that I have read on here in a long time. Wow. A completely uninformed and uneducated reply.
I am not looking to pounce on oneeyedpete, but let me offer these observations:
1. ARs have evolved significantly since the 1:12 twist versions from the Vietnam era, they can be had with twists as fast as 1:6.5.
2. Look at some of the heavy bullet rounds (75 grain to 95 grain) and you will find that the mouse gun can be supremely accurate beyond 600 yards, this ammo will leave M193 in the dust.
3. Perhaps a journey to the "Rifleman's Mecca", Camp Perry, during the CMP National Trophy Matches is called for. It is not uncommon to see the firing lines of the President's 100 and Excellence in Competition matches dominated by the different varieties of the AR. These days, when an armorer is called to the line, it is usually due to an improperly sized case stuck in the chamber.
4. Reflecting on the CMP National Matches again, expect accuracy from an AR that will rival that of an M14/M1A! You can usually bank on 10 ring accuracy at 600 yards, with X-ring accuracy at the 200 and 300 yard lines to the point where the performance can get boring.

With minimal effort, the AR can be a phenomenal rifle in 223, and more versatile when you add uppers in various cartridges.
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I view AR’s from a maintenance perspective. I’ve owned SCAR-17s, Sig MPXs...and as nice as they are, they’re just too proprietary. You are dependent on a short list of suppliers for most parts.

The 5.56 AR ‘Platform’ ( )is a very easy to repair Milspec rifle. I build my own from Lowers, and have an endless list of parts suppliers. Even the 308 I built, while not Milspec, has widely available parts.

I am confident that I will generally be able to ‘operate’ ( ) under any scenario.

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So a drunk illegal alien going 85 MPH crashes into a bus carrying young children, killing 15 and injuring several more.
So, let's ban the manufacture of any vehicle that will go over 80MPH and buy back all that do. Furthermore, we should re-institute prohibition.
Then sue the vehicle manufacturer and the company that make and sold the alcohol.
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3. Perhaps a journey to the "Rifleman's Mecca", Camp Perry, during the CMP National Trophy Matches is called for. It is not uncommon to see the firing lines of the President's 100 and Excellence in Competition matches dominated by the different varieties of the AR"
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A great magazine called Precision Shooting used to print an article about the CMP matches every year. I still remember the funny comment by one article - "go ahead and bring your M14; just don't be surprised when a 15 year old girl beats you with her AR 15 that's painted pink to match her fingernails". The AR has brought a lot of younger people out to those kinds of matches.

Sadly, like so may things as you get older, that magazine has left the building.
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3. Perhaps a journey to the "Rifleman's Mecca", Camp Perry, during the CMP National Trophy Matches is called for. It is not uncommon to see the firing lines of the President's 100 and Excellence in Competition matches dominated by the different varieties of the AR"
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A great magazine called Precision Shooting used to print an article about the CMP matches every year. I still remember the funny comment by one article - "go ahead and bring your M14; just don't be surprised when a 15 year old girl beats you with her AR 15 that's painted pink to match her fingernails". The AR has brought a lot of younger people out to those kinds of matches.

Sadly, like so may things as you get older, that magazine has left the building.
I subscribed to PRECISION SHOOTING for many years. It was certainly among the top three magazines along with HANDLOADER and RIFLE, but obviously didn't work well in today's very different world of handloading, shooting, and experimental work.
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When California looked like it was going to ban/confiscate ARs, I bought a Ruger Ranch Rifle. It didn't look like a "black rifle", but was .223, semi-auto with large capacity magazines so maybe it would pass. It did. I also bought 1000 rounds of .223 ammo. I never used it, never fired it and still have the 1000 rounds. I have no need for it, I don't think we are going to be overrun by zombies. Even if there were some cataclysmic event, I'd make a poor soldier at 80. I can defend my home place with shotguns and handguns I can carry outside the home, with a permit.
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Absolutely. I was saying that way before I had an AR or any interest in having one.
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While I did not have a need for one (I have a Postal Meter M1 carbine with plenty of mags and ammo) one came up on our local gun sale sight a Bushmaster at a price of $400 i could not pass up. I ordered a bunch of magazines a good red dot sight and a ton of ammo so i am good.
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Right. You start off with a platform and end up with a "rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty".
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