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Old 03-29-2021, 06:04 PM
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Passed on a .380 Kahr yesterday, older model, box, two mags looked in great shape. I just don't know enough about the brand.

The price seemed ok $250.00 OTD. ( It may still be available )


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I've had several Kahrs over the years. They work well, but aren't really to my taste. I can't argue with leaving it, but it seems a good price.
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My pocket carry is a Kahr P380..........I owned a Kel-Tec P3-AT but hated the trigger. I tried out the Ruger LCP models but found the Kahr trigger, sights, and accuracy to be much better. I've had the Kahr now for several years & it's my go-to for pocket carry (in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster).

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Kahr PM9 is my EDC gun and I love it.
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Not generally a fan
Have had about 5 of them over the years; different models and sizes.
When you pay upwards of $500 and more for some models, you should not have to shoot 200 rounds through them as the factory recommends to ď break them in ď.
All of mine had feeding problems. Sent two back to the factory for repair. Came back better, but still nor right. I improved the functioning of all of them by clipping one third of the coils from all the magazine springs as there is no reason magazine spring tension on the follower needs to be that stiff.
I always liked the thinness of their designs, but there are several other choices of similar size available that are not near the hassle.
Glock, Sig, S&W, Taurus, and others generally make products that need no breaking in.

Due to the current situation, if you really need a gun, you may be forced to take what you can get.
Otherwise, wait for a Ruger or Kel-Tec; or S&W Bodyguard if you can find one that will work like it is supposed to. You may have to buy two or three different ones to find one that is a keeper.

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Theyíre generally good pistols. Similar to a Glock, but without the trigger flipper safety.

Iíve owned a few. The only one I ever had a problem with was a 9mm target. One of the magazines had an extended base plate and the pressure from my little finger caused feeding problems. It worked fine with the other magazine.

For $250, what do you have to lose?
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Never owned or shot a Kahr. Heard good things about them. For $250, in this market, I'd take a chance. If you don't like it, I'd bet you could sell it and get your money back in a heartbeat.
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Other than handling them in a gun shop, I don't have any experience with Kahrs. However, I will say that a Kahr P9 is on a very short list of striker-fired guns I'd like to own.
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I have a Kahr CM9. That's the cheap PM9. It has been very reliable and has excellent sights and a great trigger pull. The only reason it doesn't get out of the safe much is that I prefer my S&W 649. I am a revolver guy.

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My summer carry is a Kahr p380. Great little gun.
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I own three, a P380 is my summer/any season pocket carry gun. Only words of wisdom I can add is, the P380 doesn't like european ammo, Geco, Privi etc. The higher pressure/velocity messes with them. They are a very refined gun, you have to take into consideration how small they are. I also have a PM9 that I've had since they came out and a K9 police turn in that I couldn't pass up. Like all super subcompacts they take a lot of practice.
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A good pistol for the price........

and if you loose it to the Police for a shooting, you are not out a lot of $$$.
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My CM9 has been fine from day one, and it never malfunctioned from the first mag to the 100th mag.
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Also have one.
Itís always been reliable.
Never carried it as much as I thought I would,
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I have owned Kahr pistols since they came on the market. I first bought a K40 (carbon steel frame & slide) & E9 (economy finished steel frame & slide), then came a MK9 (SS steel frame & slide), P380 (poly framed higher end features) replaced a broken Kel-Tec P3AT and finally the CM9 (poly framed economy features). Mine have all been extremely reliable and the trigger pull to me feels kind of like a DAO revolver trigger. The triggers do take a little getting used to because the pull is long but smooth and consistent all the way through the pull. The trigger can be mastered quite readily if you are willing. I carried and qualified with the MK9 as an on duty backup gun for the last 8 years of duty.

With the price of $250, it sounds like it might be the lower featured CW380 which uses standard rifling instead of Polygonal, less machining cuts on the slide and a cast or MIM slide stop instead of machined stainless steel, front side pinned in instead of dovetail drifted. Also only shipped with 1 magazine.
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Carried a Kahr PM9 for over 10 years, prior to upgrading to a Sig P365 for the extra capacity.

Very well made, trigger is "revolver like", and carried very well. No problems whatsoever.
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Carried a PM9 for close to twenty years now. Has never missed a beat dispite two or three dunkings in ponds and streams, lots of dust/sawdust, ect. Very comfortable to carry in a Crossbred IWB.

It is starting to show it's age and the night sights are beginning to dim a bit, but still can be seen from the top of the chest-of-drawers from the bed in a dark room!
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Wife and I each have a CW45. Wife has a CW9. I had one too until I went to a Sig P365.

She carries a CW 380 somewhere, but I ain't gonna ask where.


Revolver like trigger and no safeties to worry about. Not a hiccup among them.
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From my experience with the Auto-Ordnance side and their customer service I would wholeheartedly not recommend them.

To be fair they were completely in their right not to honor the one year warranty to the original purchaser, upfront I told them it was originally purchased over that time frame and that I was second owner.

But, it was a well known failure of the bolt, fracturing of the extractor groove allowing it to jam in the receiver, this problem was discussed in many different forums including a Kahr specific forum. This I found out while researching the problem. My original call to customer service got me a "no warranty, goodbye" and hang up. I messaged them on FB, got a half-hearted reply.

If they had offered me a 50/50 split, a parts coverage and I pay the labor or the opposite, something, anything, I would have come away satisfied. All I got was that I could send it in on my expense both ways, they would inspect it and advise me of the cost to repair it.

Until that first day I took it to the range and it failed it had zero rounds put through it, the failure was less than fifty rounds. When the extractor pops out and the metal of the bolt is flaking and in addition one of the firing pin grooves developed a crack when removing the roll pin I would say metal embrittlement due to incorrect heat treating. And again, in all fairness, the replacement bolt has functioned fine, no signs of embrittlement or cracking in the firing pin retainer pinholes to date.

I purchased the parts to repair it from them, over 300 dollars this was in 2014. If this had been a cheap gun that's one thing, but that Tommy gun
retailed at the time for over 1200 dollars with the accessories.

I won't name the forum but they have a sub group that discusses the semi Thompsons. And that failure is still a common issue.

Sorry to be long winded but I felt I should fully explain this.

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My experience with them is a total of one pistol - a .380 I purchased at a gun show a couple years ago. Put two hundred rounds thru it, and experienced maybe five malfunctions. A couple failures to extract, a couple stove pipes, and one shot that partially fed, and required a push on the rear of the slide to fully chamber.

Sold it after that, as my Ruger LCP has about three times as many shots thru it, and has never failed to function. Better trigger and sights on the Kahr, but reliability trumps all in my opinion. Didn't want to do the 500 round break-in, or experiment with different ammo from what I already had a supply of.

My experience was just with one gun, and I know a lot of people do like them.

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If you do get it, stay away from thick rimmed european ammunition, and install Magguts magazine spring kits.
Well made pistols. Tiny, accurate. I finally got mine running with the above changes.

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I have a CM 40 and am amazed at the accuracy and mild recoil of the 40 with it. It just is handy. I have had no problems and would echo that everyone that has a new carry should put at least 200-250 rounds downrange before trusting it. Similar to not taking a new car to the races.
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Until I bought a Glock 43 the Kahr K9 was my favorite single stack 9MM. I have owned several Kahr pistols. Never had a problem.

The manual does recommend a few hundred rounds for break in if I recall correctly. Some people miss that.

The trigger is long but smooth and breaks very crisp. All the guns I shot were very accurate.

For $250, I would have bought it.
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I had a PM9 with the Black DLC slide.
I didn't like the 200 round break in, but I never had a problem with that pistol.
I traded it away because I thought it was too small, the .380 would be even smaller.
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The PM9 Iíve had for about 15 years has been reliable.
It shares time with an EZ 9 PC and sometimes
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There, fixed the name for you!

I had a P40 once, never got it to function 100% and recoil was rather snappy. A .380 should be much better if it works properly.
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I had a PM40 for a bit. It was a snappy little thing and I think the ejecting brass had a higher velocity than the bullets coming out of the other end. Ended up selling it because I had to hold it a peculiar way or my thumb would knock the slide stop up upon recoil and lock open the slide. Didn't want a carry gun that would rely on a specific grip to run 100%.
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I once had an all steel Kahr MK40, which I got rid of when I got out of the .40 S&W business. No malfunctions, solid design. I think that's a pretty good price. Kahr to me have always seemed a little pricier than Glock or S&W. I'd buy it at that price . . .
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Iíve had two Kahr P-45ís in black stainless (still have one) and Iíve never had a hint of problems over many years, and they have been carried and shot a lot. I know the name has a mixed reputation but I can only speak from my own experience and as I said, they have been excellent (and accurate) conceal carry pistols for me.
I would only add that I have always used a Hogue slip-on rubber grip sleeve on these as they do fit my hand better that way.
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This one served well for twenty five years.
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Passed on a .380 Kahr yesterday, older model, box, two mags looked in great shape. I just don't know enough about the brand.

The price seemed ok $250.00 OTD. ( It may still be available )


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With todayís prices, that low price could be a Red Flag.
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Until I bought a Glock 43 the Kahr K9 was my favorite single stack 9MM. I have owned several Kahr pistols. Never had a problem.

The manual does recommend a few hundred rounds for break in if I recall correctly. Some people miss that.

The trigger is long but smooth and breaks very crisp. All the guns I shot were very accurate.

For $250, I would have bought it.
Any gun that requires a few hundred rounds to break-in should not have left the factory.
What would that much ammo cost today?
If you could even find it.
Glock can get a pistol out the door for less than $90 per unit (their cost) that pretty much fires every time from the git-go.
Kahr needs to hire a former Glock engineer or two.
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Junk.........IMO!
Especially their 380. For sure mine's junk. Kahr has some crazy long break-in period. It's up to you to get their guns working.
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Bought a used PM9, couldn't get it to run reliably, sold it.
Bought a used PM40, couldn't get it to run reliably, sold it.
Bought a NIB CW40, couldn't get it to run reliably, and it dropped mags under recoil, a known problem with that gun. Kahr did replace the magazine catch free of charge, but I ended up selling it because I just never got it to run reliably. Swore off polymer frame Kahrs after that.

Took a chance and picked up a used steel frame K9 for a screaming deal last year, and its been very reliable and is a favorite carry gun. I highly recommend the K9 after my positive experience.

My problem with the polymer frame guns is that there were too many corners cut to bring the price down, even on the higher priced PM series, and they just haven't run well for me.
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About a decade ago the staff at Lous Police Supply said they all needed about 500 rounds to break in.
We bought a Sig P238.
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I've owned one of the original K9 pistols for about 25 years. All steel, Black-T finish, night sights. It's in the back of my safe, and I haven't fired it in years, but I remember it as well-made, accurate and 100% reliable.

I have a relative who's a retired LEO, and he has carried a polymer-framed Kahr in .40S&W for years with no complaints.
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Have 2 PM9s. No problems.
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I have two. My EDC is a CM9. I love the small size which makes it easy to conceal, even in the summer. It took some breaking in, but now it's a very reliable pistol. My self defense ammo cycles perfectly without a hiccup. Some day I may decide to upgrade my EDC pistol to something with a higher capacity, but it won't conceal as well, so I haven't made the move. I also have a CW45 that is my truck gun. No problems with it whatsoever. I think I'd pay $250 for one if I was looking for an ankle gun, or pocket pistol.
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Save up for a P365.

It's 9mm, it's new, it works, and it's not a product of Sung Myung Moon's Unification Church.
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I have a Kahr P9094N bought in 2005. It works well, there was a break in but the hang ups were my inexperience. Slingshot it off the slide stop.
It was designed at a time when Police wanted auto pistols which had triggers like S&W Model 10s. It meets that goal.
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I've had at least a half-dozen sojourn with me over the past 30yrs. Original K9 blued, a K40, couple of E9's, ALL without issue. They were also ALL steel. Then, onto a couple of PM9's, one P9, etc. The PM9 was subject to a recall, and one of mine needed those tweeks to function. My first TP45 had to go back twice, before they figured out the chamber was cut too deeply. It wouldn't detonate Win/USA reliably. One TP45 at this point, and she's g2g.

I would snatch-up that .380 in a NY minute.
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I had owned a Kahr 20 years ago, stainless 9mm. To me, nothing matches the feel of an all steel Kahr. After 20 years of not owning one, I found one on G-Broker this year that is like new. It handles and carries well. IMHO, a Kahr K9 matches the ergonomics of a Browning Hi Power, except in a subcompact. With a trigger that many say equals that of a fine S&W revolver.

I had heard that Kahr has had some feeding issues in the past, but that was with polymer pistols. I am not too familiar with their .380s. Again, at $250, try it. In this market you can always sell it if you don't like it.
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Neither is Kahr. Justin and his brother had a bitter and well publicized split from the Unification Church after their father's death, forming a separate entity . . .
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I've owned a few, CM9, PM9. Good guns, well made for the most part. And I was always able to buy them new at a great price. Can't believe people are whining about a 200 round break in, who doesn't put that or much more through any new carry gun? Triggers are very revolver like, smooth but a bit long. Recoil springs are very stiff at first, one of the reasons for the break in. Only thing I don't like are the magazines. The little metal tab that sticks through the bottom of the magplate is not long enough. On some of them you can flick the plate off with one swipe of the thumb. Some are better than others as far as that goes. For $250 in these times I would have left with it for sure. And I can't believe anyone is recommending a *** staple gun like a Keltec over a Kahr...completely different class of quality.
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Couldn't be happier with mine....

Although 90+% of the time I carry a Colt Commander my "if I need something smaller" guns are Kahrs...a PM9 and P380. I did my LEOSA quals with both of them and shot back to back 72/72 with both guns... With the Colt and G19 71/72...

Being an old DA revolver shooter I like the trigger pull on the Kahrs more than the striker fired guns...

Sights on both guns are excellent and the P380 is smaller than the G42.

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Any gun that requires a few hundred rounds to break-in should not have left the factory.
What would that much ammo cost today?
If you could even find it.
Glock can get a pistol out the door for less than $90 per unit (their cost) that pretty much fires every time from the git-go.
Kahr needs to hire a former Glock engineer or two.
Well, one of the things that Glock doesn't have to contend with is the asymmetric feed ramp that was on my PM9. This allowed them to make a very tiny 9mm pistol, and at the time it came out there was nothing to compare. As small, if not smaller than most .380's and .32's.

That said, even though they recommended 200 rounds, and even though I complied, I had exactly one failure to feed, on my first mag, and then it was flawless afterwards.
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I've owned 2; a .380 and 9mm. Seem to be good quality with a unique design. Unfortunately, my trigger finger does not like the shape of the Kahr trigger guard and would get chewed up.. So I traded both away.
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