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Old 04-03-2021, 07:28 PM
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It still cracks me up when I watch this movie. Why when they could get fake Tommy Guns, BARs, a M1919 and MP-40s, is the American sniper in the bell tower using a PU scope equipped Mosin Nagant 91/30. Surely they could have found a 1903 of some sort to dress up as a sniper rifle somewhere in the US.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:41 PM
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There you go with the negative waves, man!
A minor sore spot for me too.
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Maybe this help -
Kelly's Heroes (1970) - Trivia - IMDb
The movie was mainly filmed in Yugoslavia because the Yugoslavian army still had a large quantity of Sherman tanks in 1970.
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Old 04-03-2021, 09:05 PM
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A possible explanation would be that it was taken from a German who had captured it before being sent west. It is just a movie after all, but a favorite.
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A movie so filled with anachronisms, and the rifle is what bugs ya? . That Hank Jr. song wasn’t around in WWII either
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Old 04-03-2021, 09:25 PM
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Oddball, the first of the beatniks, later the hippies. NO negative waves, man!
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Well... it wasn't nearly as silly as the sniper in "Saving Private Ryan" (I think that was the movie) switching telescope sights on his 1903 rifle during a fire fight with a German sniper. That was Hollywood at it's idiotic best.
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As to Saving Private Ryan..there were factual and continuity mistakes but they did not detract from my enjoyment of the movie. Same goes for Kelly's Heroes.

After a bit of surfing I did, however, find this:

"During certain scenes in the movie, we see Jackson switching his Weaver M73B1 sniper scope on his M1903A4 sniper rifle with a Unertl sniper scope. The problem is that the Unertl scope was used exclusively by the U.S. Marines in the Pacific Theatre on their M1903A1 sniper rifle. Even if we accept the premise that the Unertl scope was a 'battlefield pickup', the mounts for the Weaver 73B1 and Unertl are entirely different. The Unertl mounts require modification of the upper handguard, and drilling and tapping of the barrel for a forward mounting block. In the bell tower (and other) scenes, it is clear the rifle has a stock upper handguard. Therefore, it could not accept the Unertl scope."

Carry on.
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Funny, I just watched Kelly's Heroes about 3 hours ago and was wondering about that sniper rifle!
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If I paid attention to every weapon error I ever saw in movies I'd lose track of the story line.

How many westerns use Model 92 or 94 Winchesters?

Heck, there is even an old western that deals with gun running into Mexico, pre-Civil War, and the guns are all lever actions.

Besides, if Kevin Costner, at al, could shoot his revolver ceaseless in the finale gunfight of Open Range why do we ever complain about wrong guns at the wrong times, etc.



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TV shows are a lot worse I remember an early Hogans Hero episode and the german guards were carrying those cheezy Commando Arms .45 acp guns made in the early 1970s that looked like a cheap imitation of a Thompson SMG.
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And in Hogan's Heroes, Schultz has a Krag
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TV shows are a lot worse I remember an early Hogans Hero episode and the german guards were carrying those cheezy Commando Arms .45 acp guns made in the early 1970s that looked like a cheap imitation of a Thompson SMG.
But every thing else from Hogan's Heros was spot on!

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There you go with the negative waves, Moriarty.....
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I especially like Kostner's 11-shot revolver in Open Range, though many others have used similar high capacity assault revolvers before him.
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Or how about the Germans all using SMLE MK IVs during WW1 in "The Blue Max", or helicopters in WW2 in "Where Eagles Dare", or...?

Always wondered how much more could it have cost to get it right?

P.S. For a mil surp/C&R movie that gets EVERY firearm 100% period correct (and with a large variety) check out "Michael Collins " about the beginning of the Irish Republic post WW1.

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Kevin was too busy looking at Annette Benning than counting his shots.
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It's a movie. Movies are not real.
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Dang it! I knew it! Now I KNOW The Archies were lip-syncing in the song Sugar.
Watch some shootouts in Gunsmoke if you want to see some 7, 8, or 9-shot revolvers. Some hillbilly road into town shooting his gun up in the air all excited to get a buzz on, with Matt laughing, I believe he shot that gun 8 times.
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TV shows are a lot worse I remember an early Hogans Hero episode and the german guards were carrying those cheezy Commando Arms .45 acp guns made in the early 1970s that looked like a cheap imitation of a Thompson SMG.

But the premise of a group of Allied POW's bugging the commandant's office, continually escaping and returning, traveling regularly into town to have drinks and cavort with the local entertainment and at times collaborating with the staff and guards to keep the Gestapo and the SS out of the commandant's limited hair didn't bother you?
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I saw a cheaply made no name western where one of the cowboys was carrying a Ruger Redhawk .
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Those old movies, it's somewhat forgivable because your prop room is what it is.

While not quite the same thing, the one that's bugged me the most is the scene in Ant-Man where the ants get into the external hammer of a Glock to stop it from firing. So they did thousands of dollars of CGI work just to be inaccurate when there are zillions of plausible hammer-fired guns out there.
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I watch old Highway Patrol reruns. Dan Matthews has a 12 shot snubnose that he can kill people with shooting at him with a rifle at 150 yards.
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Watched the movie Gunmen with Dennis Leary and Mario V. Peebles. In one scene Dennis is using a model 27 3.5 inch I think, next frame it's a pearl handled 1911. Back and forth, back and forth. Then You have Stephanie Plum (Katherine Heigl) shoots the bad guy seven times with a model 60 in One for the Money. Movies are wonderfully inaccurate, but entertaining.
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I know it's only a tv show, but the one I like was on Hogan's Hero's.
Klink leads a bunch of guards thru the gate. He is carrying a P-38. He returns with a Luger.
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Klink leads a bunch of guards thru the gate. He is carrying a P-38. He returns with a Luger.
Don that’s an early example of the “Teutonic” Reload!
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How about Schuyler "Sky" King shooting a gun out of the bad guys hand... with his Model 10... form the air... while flying his Cessna 310 "songbird".
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