Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Notices

Firearms & Knives - Other Brands Post Your Non-S&W Gun, Knife, and Blade Topics Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-04-2021, 04:48 PM
tt66 tt66 is offline
SWCA Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Alabama
Posts: 394
Likes: 1,011
Liked 717 Times in 159 Posts
Default Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun

John Taffin was the first writer that I remember that wrote of the Perfect Packing Pistol. Loosely they were 4" barreled revolvers and the caliber started with a 4. I still have many Guns and Ammo magazines with different articles of different versions.

I have always been fascinated with the work of Hamilton Bowen and when I had the oppurtunity for this, I jumped as quick as I could.

It started as a 1967 model 357 Blackhawk. I am a 1967 model as well so that was a plus. Bowen converted the cylinder and barrel to .41 Rem Magnum, my favorite caliber. The cylinder has the black powder chamfer and the cylinder is recessed to allow the longer .41 cartridge to fit inside the smaller .357 frame. A standard Ruger .41 barrel and ejector housing were shortened to 4". A new front sight with interchangable blades was added as well as a Bowen rear sight. It has a Bowen locking basepin. The XR3 RED gripframe was modified for a lanyard and the grips are a beautiful pair of walnut crafted by Roy Fishpaw. The grips are marked, dated and serial numbered to the revolver.

To me the most striking feature is the scalloped recoil shield and loading gate. Between that and the 4" barrel, it is a real joy to carry and not to bad to shoot. One of the finer finishing touches is the way he removed the .357 Mag lettering on the frame and replaced it w the correct .41 Magnum designation. I has been shot and has some cylinder rash from riding in a chest holster. To me the cylinder rash is wonderful, now I can carry it as it should be and not worry if it gets another mark or two.

Thank you for letting me share my Perfect Packing Pistol !!
Attached Thumbnails
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-img_3637-jpg   Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-img_3638-jpg   Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-img_3635-jpg   Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-img_3633-jpg   Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-img_3634-jpg  

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-04-2021, 04:49 PM
fhsjrm fhsjrm is online now
SWCA Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 61
Likes: 1
Liked 210 Times in 30 Posts
Default

That's really cool!

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 04-04-2021, 04:50 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is offline
US Veteran
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 6,736
Likes: 1,713
Liked 9,409 Times in 3,431 Posts
Default

Nice work. Sixgunner would be proud.
__________________
Come and take it!!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 04-04-2021, 06:14 PM
2152hq 2152hq is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,374
Likes: 860
Liked 5,629 Times in 2,336 Posts
Default

Nice OM conversion!. Love those grips.
About the biggest bore & highest pressure round you can stuff into an OM 357 Blackhawk frame.

Looks like a 357Maximum cylinder might have been used in the conversion. That gets you extra length at both ends of the cylinder, Back end for recessed rims. Up front for extra cartridge OAL (better bullet selection available to the user).
The bbl length inside the frame window is shorter to allow for the longer cylinder.

The rebated recoil shields give a nice touch.
I like the added side frame rebates as added onto the Colt custom SAA's also. They are copied from early lightweight, short bbl'd SAA guns done by Croft and a few other custom gunsmiths of the 20's and 30's.
Rugers don't lend themselves to the rebates done to the forward side edges of the frame as the Colts do. Ruger places their Ser# there on the RH side. Rebating the frame there will remove it,,a big Don'tDoIt!

But I have seen some Rugers done that way and then the mechanic just restamped the # either there or on the bottom of the frame. Take your chances I guess.
Bowen would never do side rebates on Rugers for that reason (ser#).
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 04-05-2021, 03:01 AM
VictorLouis VictorLouis is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 39
Liked 769 Times in 405 Posts
Default

That looks almost like a flat gate. Gorgeous piece.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 04-05-2021, 08:54 AM
Fishinfool's Avatar
Fishinfool Fishinfool is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Central PA
Posts: 3,537
Likes: 5,219
Liked 7,808 Times in 2,236 Posts
Default

Congrats on a quality and well thought out rig. Great example of a PPP. Bowen does fantastic work.

The Ruger pictured below is a favorite of mine for rambling about in the woods when moose and bear are sharing the trail with me. It's no custom Bowen, but packs easy, and hits hard.

Larry
Attached Thumbnails
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun-_tab4189-copy-jpg  
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 04-05-2021, 10:01 AM
Johnnu2 Johnnu2 is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NYS
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Liked 493 Times in 191 Posts
Default

VERY NICE INDEED......wishing you many years of enjoyment packing it.

J.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 04-05-2021, 07:31 PM
Muley Gil Muley Gil is online now
US Veteran
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The SW Va Blue Ridge
Posts: 14,833
Likes: 57,715
Liked 18,285 Times in 6,518 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2152hq View Post
Nice OM conversion!. Love those grips.
About the biggest bore & highest pressure round you can stuff into an OM 357 Blackhawk frame.

Looks like a 357Maximum cylinder might have been used in the conversion. That gets you extra length at both ends of the cylinder, Back end for recessed rims. Up front for extra cartridge OAL (better bullet selection available to the user).
The bbl length inside the frame window is shorter to allow for the longer cylinder.


The rebated recoil shields give a nice touch.
I like the added side frame rebates as added onto the Colt custom SAA's also. They are copied from early lightweight, short bbl'd SAA guns done by Croft and a few other custom gunsmiths of the 20's and 30's.
Rugers don't lend themselves to the rebates done to the forward side edges of the frame as the Colts do. Ruger places their Ser# there on the RH side. Rebating the frame there will remove it,,a big Don'tDoIt!

But I have seen some Rugers done that way and then the mechanic just restamped the # either there or on the bottom of the frame. Take your chances I guess.
Bowen would never do side rebates on Rugers for that reason (ser#).
I believe that is the regular .357 cylinder rechambered to .41 Magnum. The .357 Maximum revolver was built on an elongated large (.44 Magnum) frame. The cylinder would be too large for a medium frame conversion. The overall length of a .41 Magnum cartridge is 1.60". The overall length of a .357 Magnum cartridge is .1.59".

The Old Model Blackhawk revolvers had recessed cylinders already.
__________________
John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 04-05-2021, 07:33 PM
fishwishin fishwishin is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: May 2015
Location: California Delta region
Posts: 271
Likes: 306
Liked 405 Times in 156 Posts
Default

As a fellow '67 model I have nothing but love and respect for this wonderful piece!
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 04-05-2021, 08:37 PM
Onomea's Avatar
Onomea Onomea is online now
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Japan, Oregon
Posts: 9,608
Likes: 26,841
Liked 18,907 Times in 5,450 Posts
Default

Beautiful!

I, too, once had a Bowen...
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 04-05-2021, 09:23 PM
Philbert4 Philbert4 is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 17
Likes: 2
Liked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Beautiful pistol. Many years ago I read an article by Jim Wilson where he had Hamilton build a similar gun on an OM 357 BH. Inspired, I located a NM BH in .45 Colt. I had Hamilton perform the same upgrades as in the article and many of those you’ve done. In addition, he CCH the frame, trigger and hammer. Fantastic work of art that is a joy to shoot. Hamilton Bowen is the Master.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 04-05-2021, 10:00 PM
tt66 tt66 is offline
SWCA Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Alabama
Posts: 394
Likes: 1,011
Liked 717 Times in 159 Posts
Default

Thank you all for the compliments.

Muley Gil, you are correct about the recessed cylinders. I checked my other .41s and they are recessed. Not sure what the cylinder was to begin with, but it measures 1.710. I have two other factory Ruger .41 Mags and their cylinders measure 1.715. Both of my Old Model .357s measure in the 1.6" range.

Last edited by tt66; 04-05-2021 at 10:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 04-05-2021, 10:55 PM
cowboy4evr cowboy4evr is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: for now ,Texas
Posts: 2,354
Likes: 120
Liked 2,704 Times in 1,257 Posts
Default

I lucked into a really nice Ruger NMBH 4 5/8" barrel in 41 magnum yrs ago . Someone spent considerable $$$ up grading it . It has a Bomar rear sight , red ramp front sight , steel grip frame ( better balance ) and cleaned up the action . The condition was like new , no bluing loss or muzzle wear . I only paid like $415 for it . The cylinder throats are correct in size and there is no choke where the barrel threads onto the frame . It is very very accurate . Regards Paul
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 04-05-2021, 10:59 PM
Shark Bait's Avatar
Shark Bait Shark Bait is online now
US Veteran
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 2,736
Likes: 7,020
Liked 7,673 Times in 1,651 Posts
Default

That's one beautiful old school Ruger SA. Congratulations! I like guns with a little wear on them too. I don't keep safe queens for long, usually.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 04-05-2021, 11:42 PM
Charlie Foxtrott Charlie Foxtrott is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 818
Likes: 305
Liked 1,145 Times in 429 Posts
Default Awesome gun!

Nothing there not to like! Nice score!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #16  
Old 04-06-2021, 12:14 PM
2152hq 2152hq is offline
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,374
Likes: 860
Liked 5,629 Times in 2,336 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muley Gil View Post
I believe that is the regular .357 cylinder rechambered to .41 Magnum. The .357 Maximum revolver was built on an elongated large (.44 Magnum) frame. The cylinder would be too large for a medium frame conversion. The overall length of a .41 Magnum cartridge is 1.60". The overall length of a .357 Magnum cartridge is .1.59".

The Old Model Blackhawk revolvers had recessed cylinders already.
The 357 O/M Blackhawk cylinders are not recessed,,at least all the ones I can recall seeing.
The other calibers on the O/M Ruger design have recessed chambers AFAIK.

Something is going on there. With recessed chambers, I'd bet it wasn't a rechambered O/M 357 cylinder.
That's unless of course Ruger did use the feature in some production of the O/M 357, then I'm wrong about my guess. That's happened before!

The front face of the cylinder looks extremely close to the inside edge of the frame window as compared to a standard 357OM Blackhawk . That's what made me think the longer cylinder was fitted.
..
It may just be the angle the pic was taken too.

IIRC on the O/M 357 I worked on recently the distance from the front face of the cyl to the inside of the frame window was .080 +/-
A longer cylinder can be fitted w/o mod the frame within the .080 distance of course. Additional room can be gotten from opening up the window a bit. too. A little here and there. Easy on a SAA and the Ruger frame is pretty stout.
The Ruger O/M 357 cylinders are 1.600 +/- OAL non recessed length.
That's just the cylinder body length itself, not inclu the ratchet or the front bushing.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-06-2021, 12:56 PM
ddixie884's Avatar
ddixie884 ddixie884 is online now
Member
Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun Bowen Perfect Packing Pistol Grail Gun  
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Avery,Tx
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 2,115
Liked 1,307 Times in 679 Posts
Default

I believe that is a custom cylinder with the recessed chambers and the extended length. It sounds like it is long enough for real Keith bullets crimped in the groove. Great caliber choice. Really nicely done custom.
Thanx for sharing.............
__________________
dd884
JMHO-YMMV
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pistol Packing Waitress Defends Co-Worker Scorpion520AZ Concealed Carry & Self Defense 13 07-14-2018 11:59 PM
Perfect packing 44 Bobbysixkiller S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 15 07-16-2017 02:36 PM
Pistol Packing Great Granny STCM(SW) The Lounge 4 05-10-2016 06:14 PM
The Perfect Packing Pistol to Prepare for the Apocalypse David LaPell S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 38 03-21-2014 02:53 PM
Premiere Park Permitted Pistol Packing Pays 5Wire The Lounge 14 06-28-2010 11:31 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:29 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)