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A blast from the past, british bulldog
Could it be the missing Garfield gun?
I doubt it, but the gun was recorded as a enhanced
British bulldog, with ivory grips, that disappeared from the Smithsonian
Any way this old 44 caught my eye today , with it engraving and ivory grips,
Gun is a pre 1893 Belgium copy, wearing the early liege froof mark, *over n inspector mark, the makers initials JD and the number 12, on frame under grips, and on the cylinder, timing and lock up are not up to smith standards but very suitable
If I could find ammo,
44 bulldog, or 442 British
Anyway this came out of a closet of a gun collector dealer, who passed 10 years ago, his wife passed this winter, and this was found with s couple of old Smith's, which were in paper weight shape, so I passed on the Smith's, and paid 250 for the little 44
Any bulldog collectors on here who might spread a little knowledge
Thanks for looking
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04-09-2021, 07:52 PM
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Don't know a thing about it, but I like it. Very cool!
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04-09-2021, 08:21 PM
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The original british bulldog came put of Birmingham england, was a early double action revolver, and copied by gun makers around the world, this seems to be a high grade gun, the JD maker I believe to be Jene Duchateau, who made some beautifull double guns, but not sure.
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04-09-2021, 08:51 PM
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Here's my last British Bulldog; Ellie.
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Man, I wish I'd found that!
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04-09-2021, 09:13 PM
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Nice gun. I had one like that. Iconic.
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04-09-2021, 09:28 PM
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Sometime ago I had a half dozen 44 Bulldog rounds but must have traded them off.
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04-10-2021, 10:20 AM
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Buffalo arms has the ammo, in stock at about a c note
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04-10-2021, 12:50 PM
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It is possible to make ammo yourself, I have done it. You get a .44 special case and thin the rim from the front and trim for length. Getting the bullets is almost impossible, but I was able to get a mold made for it. It is of course as heel bullet.
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04-10-2021, 01:38 PM
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Hella cool!
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Here is an original British Bulldog. It came out of Harlan County KY and that is all I know of its provenance. It is 44 cal, almost 50% nickel. It works if pointed downward. It needs a new hand spring and I am sort of afraid to open it up
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04-11-2021, 05:03 PM
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Here is the extractor. It swings over to punch out the empties like a single action Colt. The last two shots show the cylinder pin, which is hollow and stores the extractor pin. The loading gate is open.
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04-11-2021, 05:19 PM
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The action and frame shape on this plain model appear to be the same as that of the OP
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04-11-2021, 05:20 PM
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Ohhhhh, I was thinking of completely different British Bulldogs! 
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Here are 3 F&W Bulldogs. .32,.38 & .44.
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04-11-2021, 06:31 PM
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Dennis, those are nice! thanks for posting them
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04-11-2021, 07:54 PM
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A police used Webley Bulldog.
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Thanks everyone, I ordered a box of ammo for it with tax and shipping just over $130, the old gun is serviceable, it just caught my eye, the engraving looks like a western us motif, i wonder what stories it could tell, could it have belonged to a river boat gambler, a madam, ? We will never know.
I might fire one round out of it, and put it up with the ammo into my collection
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Thanks everyone, I ordered a box of ammo for it with tax and shipping just over $130,
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And there are people complaining about $50. for a box of 9 m/m. It leads me to believe that some people just look for reasons too complain.  Larry
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I cut down split 44sp & mag. Loaded with ball. Will have to look in my book
I think I got data out of Cartridges of the World/ Barnes. I never had to thin rims on ones I had. H&R was in on Bulldog manufacture. I had a few of them and they were all nickel. Either McKinley or Garfield was assasinated with a Bulldog, but in 38 or 32.
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And there are people complaining about $50. for a box of 9 m/m. It leads me to believe that some people just look for reasons too complain. Larry |
a gun without ammo, is a high priced rock:]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ky wonder
Could it be the missing Garfield gun?
I doubt it, but the gun was recorded as a enhanced
British bulldog, with ivory grips, that disappeared from the Smithsonian
Any way this old 44 caught my eye today , with it engraving and ivory grips,
Gun is a pre 1893 Belgium copy, wearing the early liege froof mark, *over n inspector mark, the makers initials JD and the number 12, on frame under grips, and on the cylinder, timing and lock up are not up to smith standards but very suitable
If I could find ammo,
44 bulldog, or 442 British
Anyway this came out of a closet of a gun collector dealer, who passed 10 years ago, his wife passed this winter, and this was found with s couple of old Smith's, which were in paper weight shape, so I passed on the Smith's, and paid 250 for the little 44
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PM me, I load and shoot 44 Bull Dog, have you slugged the barrel to be sure of the size?, anyway, these are my H&R 44's
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Sold the little gun and box of ammo to a antique gun collector for a goodly sum of money 
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