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I had the opportunity yesterday to shoot and amazing pistol. A friend bought an EAA Tanfoglio Witness P Match Pro in .38 Super off gunbroker. He fired most of a box of Federal American Eagle 9 mm 130 grain FMJ (+P). He handed me the pistol with the last seven shots in it. He was aiming center bull, so did I (stupid mistake on my part as our eyes see the sights differently). The shot on the ring at 12 o'clock is my first round. I then shifted my aim point to the 6 o'clock position. I was impressed by the accuracy. The trigger needs work, rough and about 4 pounds. Might have to look for one of these.
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They are very nice guns.
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They are very nice guns.
It was pretty surprising. Fit and finish was very good. The only complaint of mine was the trigger.
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It was pretty surprising. Fit and finish was very good. The only complaint of mine was the trigger.
With modern design and engineering, it's quite hard to find a brand new gun that doesn't have nice fit and finish, and I include most polymer guns in that statement.
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With modern design and engineering, it's quite hard to find a brand new gun that doesn't have nice fit and finish, and I include most polymer guns in that statement.
Just looked up the specs. It has a polymer frame. So won't be getting one. Shoots well, so for those that like polymer frames I would say get one.
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I have a .45 Witness Single Comp. with a steel frame. They are sleepers in the gun world
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I have a .45 Witness Single Comp. with a steel frame. They are sleepers in the gun world
Yes, his other EAA Witness pistols have a steel frame. If I could get the .38 Super Pro in steel I would. But not polymer.....
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They also make one or did with a steel frame. I've got one in a 10mm. Love it. Shoots a lot like the kimber 1911 45acp it replaced.
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Yes, his other EAA Witness pistols have a steel frame. If I could get the .38 Super Pro in steel I would. But not polymer.....
Why not? If it works, it works.
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Why not? If it works, it works.
Don't like plastic guns, Never have. Old fashioned, like Blue steel and wood. Took me a very long time own a stainless steel gun.
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I have a Witness with the steel frame, but not the match model. It's set up to use .45 ACP, 9mm, and .38 Super. I bought it over 15 years ago and it is one of my favorites. I did some trigger work on it myself. My only problem is that it is quite heavy. Some may remember the old Bren Ten. That Witness is about as close to it as you can find.
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The EAA Witness is a nice gun and the CZ 75 is a great platform to begin with. If you want a clone of the CZ75 with a really good trigger, the old Sphinx has an amazing trigger. When I compared an EAA 9mm, SP-01 and AT2000S side by side, the AT2000S won hands down.

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The EAA Witness is a nice gun and the CZ 75 is a great platform to begin with. If you want a clone of the CZ75 with a really good trigger, the old Sphinx has an amazing trigger. When I compared an EAA 9mm, SP-01 and AT2000S side by side, the AT2000S won hands down.

Just a wee bit of difference in price.
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Tanfoglio can make good firearms, the U.S. importer, EAA, developed a history of poor customer support, making many shy away from these pistols. Some shops even refuse to carry them. My only experience, so far, has been with a TZ-75 Series 88. It's big issue was the recoil spring and U.S. made ammo. It ran fine with +P and European ammo, but U.S. made 115 and 124 grain "white box" ammo was a consistent failure. I put in a Wolff recoil spring that was 2 pounds lighter and the pistol became reliable with the cheap ammo. Evidently, Tanfoglio set up these older 9mm pistols for European 9mm ammo.
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Tanfoglio can make good firearms, the U.S. importer, EAA, developed a history of poor customer support, making many shy away from these pistols. Some shops even refuse to carry them. My only experience, so far, has been with a TZ-75 Series 88. It's big issue was the recoil spring and U.S. made ammo. It ran fine with +P and European ammo, but U.S. made 115 and 124 grain "white box" ammo was a consistent failure. I put in a Wolff recoil spring that was 2 pounds lighter and the pistol became reliable with the cheap ammo. Evidently, Tanfoglio set up these older 9mm pistols for European 9mm ammo.
...or as some of us call it, proper 9mm ammo.
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"Tanfoglio can make good firearms, the U.S. importer, EAA, developed a history of poor customer support, making many shy away from these pistols."
They (EAA) were (at least back when I used them) very customer-hostile, especially the owner, whose name I can't remember. A very nasty and belittling person.
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They (EAA) were (at least back when I used them) very customer-hostile, especially the owner, whose name I can't remember. A very nasty and belittling person.
I bought a Russian Toggle Bolt .22 rifle from them way back when. Good rifle then they lost the importation rights and never dealt with them again.
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I bought a steel frame Witness 10 or 12 years ago as a .45 ACP/.22 LR combo. About 2 years ago I came across a complete upper in .38 Super. If I ever decided to carry a semi-auto belt gun again it would be the Witness as .38 Super. As it is it is my favorite range gun.
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The good thing about a Witness is the ease of switching calibers, takes less than a minute.
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They (EAA) were (at least back when I used them) very customer-hostile, especially the owner, whose name I can't remember. A very nasty and belittling person.
Sorta like Kimber's owner(s), huh?
I love my Witness Compact 10mm, glad I didn't hear this before or I probably wouldn't have bought it?
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The good thing about a Witness is the ease of switching calibers, takes less than a minute.
The large frame Witness pistols, yes. The small frame Witness pistols, including the TZ-75 Series 88, calibers were only 9x19mm, 40 S&W, and 41 Action Express. These days, other than used parts, it's pretty difficult to find compatible parts for the small frame pistols. I was lusting for a large frame Witness pistol, either in 10mm Auto or 45 ACP, with a finish that would mimic stainless steel, but then I lucked into not one, but two S&W 645's, then a mid-1980's era Galco shoulder rig to satisfy my inner Sonny Crockett.




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My friend shot his pistol today with cast lead bullets. Not a very good showing. Will go back to the books and try larger cast bullets and different loadings.
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I have a StockIII Witness in 38Super .I always wanted something in 38Super and went hunting . I was looking at a Colt , but my FFL said you don't want a Colt , you want a Tanfoglio . The mag holds 17 rounds and I bought 3 more , so I can shoot a bit before reloading . I have more than a few PC pistols , and my Tanfoglio is right up there with them . I'm considering buying a 9mm conversion for it , mainly because of it's accuracy . I don't know about their less expensive line , but mine is a very well built , tight tolerances , and extremely accurate . I know they make race guns that run $2-3000 .
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I have a StockIII Witness in 38Super .I always wanted something in 38Super and went hunting . I was looking at a Colt , but my FFL said you don't want a Colt , you want a Tanfoglio . The mag holds 17 rounds and I bought 3 more , so I can shoot a bit before reloading . I have more than a few PC pistols , and my Tanfoglio is right up there with them . I'm considering buying a 9mm conversion for it , mainly because of it's accuracy . I don't know about their less expensive line , but mine is a very well built , tight tolerances , and extremely accurate . I know they make race guns that run $2-3000 .
I don't know what a Stock III Witness is, but in the large frame Witness, the only conversion required to make a 9mm from a .38 Super is a 9mm barrel and magazine. But it has to be a 9mm barrel for the large frame. The slide is the same for 9mm and .38 Super. Might also need a lighter recoil spring when shooting 9mm depending on how husky your 9mm loads are. I have found that a Beretta 92/M9 recoil spring fits and works perfectly in my Witness when using 9mm.
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