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Old 09-15-2021, 03:19 PM
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They are frangible - exactly the same as used in shooting galleries. The bullets are made of powdered iron in a phenolic plastic matrix. The higher speed is because the bullets are lighter, I think they are only about 15 grains. MV is around 1700 ft/sec. Try a magnet on your bullets.
Correct you are. I found a write up on them. https://www.wardscollectibles.com/22...A/REM-Vol2.pdf No where on the box does it state sintered iron as the write up does . 1955-1960 for these.
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I am a .22 nut . and have several short only rifles. The Winchester 1906 was produced short only for about the first 80,000 serial numbers. It went S, L, LR in late 1907. I have two. The Winchester 1890 was caliber specific and I have two 1890s in .22 short. A rare, or at least scarce is the Winchester model 56 in .22 short. and I was fortunate to find one at a garage sale. The chamber in it is still an unmolested .22 short. It also still has the short marked mag. I also have a military marked Winder musket in .22 short and just sold my1939 Model74 in .22short.

I have several Winchester boys rifles in .22 short and long and a couple marked Short, Long and Extra long. The Extra long cartridges are nearly extinct and only found at gun shows or collectors. The last box of 50 that I saw was $400.00, I passed. I have one box with 28 left in it and I paid to much for them.
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Our local gun store always has plenty of shorts in stock and just bought 2 100 round boxes today. Dr. Thunder is always in good supply at Walmart also.
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Dr. Thunder is the WalMart house brand of Dr. Pepper. I prefer it to the real thing.

Regarding the .22 Short Gallery ammunition, one thing the frangible powdered iron composite bullet does is spark when it hits steel. If you are old enough to remember seeing the old carnival midway shooting galleries, you might remember seeing several sparks fly when the bullet hit a steel duck, rabbit, or whatever the targets might have been. I would love to find a set of the old shooting gallery hardware to restore. I was at the NRA museum in Virginia around 10-12 years ago, and in it they had a restored midway shooting gallery. Of course it was just on display, you couldn't shoot on it.
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I think the real reason why .22 Short isn't as popular anymore is simply because it's generally less available, more expensive, and doesn't work in most semiautomatic firearms chambered specifically for .22LR.

Obviously it's a fun, quiet little plinking round that would perhaps make for the ultimate introductory shooting cartridge, but it's just not as accessible as .22LR these days, unfortunately.

Come to think of it, I believe that .22 Short was actually the first cartridge that I ever shot, but it's hard to remember because I was just a little boy at the time... If I'm not mistaken, the very first real firearm that I ever shot was my father's Winchester 62 loaded with .22 Short.
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The Winchester 1890 was caliber specific and I have two 1890s in .22 short.
Back long ago, I had a friend who had an 1890 in .22 LR. We put some sort of plug, I don't remember what, maybe wood, in the cartridge carrier so that it would function OK with .22 Shorts. He also had an 1890 in .22 WRF with an octagonal barrel, but never had any ammunition for it. It apparently had been used in a slaughterhouse, and was in what I'd call highly distressed condition, but it was still functional.

"Come to think of it, I believe that .22 Short was actually the first cartridge that I ever shot"

I know for sure it was the first cartridge I ever shot. In the family gun - an old Marlin Model 100 single shot bolt action rifle. That, and an ancient H&R 12 gauge single shot, were the only guns we had for a long time, until I got into my early teens.

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I bought Remington shorts at Dunhamís for 2 100ct. boxes for $10 a out 8 months ago.
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Many think the little 22 short is fine to shoot in crowded areas, but one thing to consider, the 22 Long is nothing more that a short traveling at 100 fps faster. Same 29 grain bullet just going 1200 fps instead of the 1110 fps of the short. A single 22 long killed the largest grizzly bear ever in the 1950's. So be carful.
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I donít think there were many businesses in our town that didnít have a few 22s. Even the Drug store had a few 22s. All the gas stations had them and one had good stock of ammo as well as fishing lures. Parental permission slips were suppose to be used?? Town Ordinance maybe? I had unlimited permission at Western Auto, as long as I didnít put them on old mans tab.
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New love for .22 shorts-img_2597-jpgThis is my Remington 550-2G Gallery Special in .22 short only.
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New love for .22 shorts-img_2597-jpgThis is my Remington 550-2G Gallery Special in .22 short only.
The 550-2G was different from the 550-1. It did not have the Williams floating chamber as it wasn't needed for .22 Short. I think it may also have used a lighter weight bolt. They are very unusual, I remember seeing only one of them, and at the time I really didn't know what I was looking at.

I have fired far more .22 Short rounds through my 550-1 than LRs.
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I donít think there were many businesses in our town that didnít have a few 22s. Even the Drug store had a few 22s. All the gas stations had them and one had good stock of ammo as well as fishing lures.
I lived in Midland TX for awhile. At the time, the Midland Walgreen's Drug Store had the largest gun department in town. There was also a supermarket (Furr's) close to my home that wasn't far behind. They even carried reloading supplies.
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The 550-2G was different from the 550-1. It did not have the Williams floating chamber as it wasn't needed for .22 Short. I think it may also have used a lighter weight bolt. They are very unusual, I remember seeing only one of them, and at the time I really didn't know what I was looking at.

I have fired far more .22 Short rounds through my 550-1 than LRs.
Do you have the recoil shield on yours? hard to tell from the pics. That is an item that completes the 550 series. If you look hard at my bad pic you can see the counter chain ring under the barrel. That scope pictured is an old Weaver 4x dot scope that is superb for running squirrels.

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Do you have the recoil shield on yours? hard to tell from the pics. That is an item that completes the 550 series. If you look hard at my bad pic you can see the counter chain ring under the barrel. That scope pictured is an old Weaver 4x dot scope that is superb for running squirrels.
I am not quite sure what a recoil shield is. Mine is from 1954 and does have the sheet metal shell deflector, although some say it is more for the purpose of deflecting gas than empties. The early 550s did not have the deflector, and for some reason had two extractors in the bolt. BTW, that is a Weaver K4 scope in a 1" tip-off mount. The early 550s also did not have the tip-off mount grooves in the top of the receiver.

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When I was maybe 13 14 years old, my only LGS was the "Papillion Hardware" store. A box of Super X shorts was 47 cents, and so was a can of Copenhagen or Key. So walking home from school, our farm was just at the edge of town, if I still had a buck, my weekly allowance, I was good to go for the next few evenings of adventures by the creek. I occasionally bought some long rifles, but at 87 cents, couldn't come away with the can of chew, but it would leave me with a dime for a bottle of Mountain Dew at Doc's Phillips 66.
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When I was young and learning to shoot, my grandfather (born 1903)
cautioned me never to take even the .22 Short for granted, and to always watch my backstop and direction behind my target. He had a cousin who
was disabled, so his parents gave him a .22 rifle and his "job" was to keep
sparrows and other birds from molesting their garden. One of his .22 Shorts riccocheted, and hit his mother (who was not visible from where he was), in the kidney. She bled to death. That lesson really stuck with me!
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A good friend and mentor shot indoor NRA bullseye with a 22 Short M41 S&W for many years. He routinely posted the best timed and rapid fire scores, even beating a multi time top five ranked NRA shooter every weekend.
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