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Is there any advantage that a current or 3rd Generation Glock has over a 2nd Generation model?
I'm referring mainly to the internals...not the finger-grooves, light rail, etc.
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Is there any advantage that a current or 3rd Generation Glock has over a 2nd Generation model?
I'm referring mainly to the internals...not the finger-grooves, light rail, etc.
Thanks.
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03-20-2009, 10:37 PM
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As far as I know they are all the same on the inside, and for those people out there that think their glocks are too pretty to be taken seriously, there is the new 4th gen glocks.
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03-20-2009, 10:49 PM
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I much prefer the 2nd gen guns over the later models. I don't care for the finger grooves and don't need no damn rail, it's not a Barbie doll that needs to have every accessory in the world hanging off of it.
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I, in turn, like the finger grooves, and I understand Glock's changing their newest models to have a rougher surface on the grips and straps and will have rails. Again, I say, "Good deal." Still not sure they're better than the XDm line, but I think these are improvements I can go for. It all comes down to personal preference, really, since as far as I know the internals are the same.
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No, the internals are practically the same. In my opinion, the second generation is the best. I do not care for the finger grooves and the rail is useless for me. I am not interested in hanging the Ninja stuff under the barrel of my Glock.
I own 7 Glocks and all are 2nd generation except my G30. It is a later one that has the rail but, I got it at a deal I couldn't turn down.
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03-21-2009, 06:27 AM
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I am not interested in hanging the Ninja stuff under the barrel of my Glock.
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03-21-2009, 06:29 AM
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Don't the newer Glocks have an extra internal pin visible on the outside?
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If the last generation of Glocks were "perfection", how could they improve them? I guess they were lying, eh?
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I also prefer the 3rd Gen. I like the finger grooves too and am not sure if there are any other internal changes.
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03-21-2009, 08:20 AM
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Just when you thought there was no way a glock could get any uglier they proove you wrong.
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GMAC, what model of Glock are you referring too?
I have alot of experience with
early 2nd gen g21s
later 2nd gen g21s (theres a difference)
3rd Gen g21s
http://glocktalk.com/forums/sh...highlight=generation
I am holding out for a G19SF for the wife.
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Originally posted by SW CQB 45:
GMAC, what model of Glock are you referring too?
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SW CQB 45,
I have a 2nd Gen. G19.
Just wondering if the 3rd. Gen. has any improvements that make it a better gun...
OTHER THAN the finger-grooves and tactical rail?
Those are two things that mean nothing to me.
I've upgraded my G19 with nite-sites, so not including that either.
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Quote:
Originally posted by G-Mac:
Is there any advantage that a current or 3rd Generation Glock has over a 2nd Generation model?
I'm referring mainly to the internals...not the finger-grooves, light rail, etc.
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That I know of, the only changes are incremental ones in configuration of certain parts such as the extractor, firing pin, etc. These things are all interchangeable.
I have a very early 2nd Generation Glock 22 purchased when they were first introduced. When installing a 3lb. connector, I also upgraded all of the internals to current standard. Internally, it's just like a brand new gun, minus the rail and finger grooves which I don't like anyway.
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03-21-2009, 10:25 AM
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I know some early Glocks has problems with internals rusting since they done want anyone fooling around in there unless you are a armorer.
they started to plate internals such as firing pins and safety plungers, but I would see the plating start to peal.
then they changed to another type of coating which is less prone to pealing however I see most firing pin safety plungers peal.
another area of concern is defeating the firing pin safety on older guns. not sure if they were out of time or inferior metals used, but older guns need to be checked by taking a slide and push on the firing pin lug with thumb pressure. if it depresses the firing pin safety plunger with thumb pressure on the firing pin lug, the parts are worn and need to be replaced.
an area of concern that has always concerned me with the glock system is timing of the firing pin release and the firing pin plunger being out of the way to avoid contact and possible misfire.
I have seen a brand new 3rd gen g20 with a fine controlled press of the trigger misfire as opposed to a hammer fire. the fix was the + trigger bar only made for the larger frame glocks. the + trigger bar push the firing pin plunger higher and probably sooner out of the way so the firing pin does not make contact with it.
a few years ago, I was at a Glock Instructors Workshop and had 3 dinks around 800 rounds fired. the instructor told me that I LIMPED WRISTED it. If you were to see me, and my grip there is nothing limp wristed about me. I have tried to induce a limp wrist with no success with my GORILLA sized hands.
my firing pin safety plunger was dinked to hell and was completely around indicating I was having contact.
I was not satisfied with the instructors evaluation of my 3 dinks. when I got back home I called a made a contact with Glock Admin and he sent me 10 trigger bars and he told me to hold them up to the light and find the one with the highest depressor (for the firing pin plunger) and replace my firing pin safety plunger. I did and IIRC have never had a dink until the invent of + trigger bars and I put that in.
I dont shoot my G21 much as I am 1911 carry. I have a G35/34 upper which I like but prefer the 1911 config.
I would check your internals for corrision.
another area I found to be inferior and I only speak of early 2 prefix 2nd Gen G21's is the frame rail tabs that are imbedded in the plastic frame. The are smaller, thinner and appear to be bare metal.
My 1993 issued 2nd Gen three prefix G21 had longer, thicker rails and appear to be plated.
IIRC (too much going on these days) I could have sworn that my most recent Glock update class (Jan 2008) they said Glock frames will soon be produced in the US so the possibility of no finger grooves and everything will eventually be SF. no time frame given, so that could be years in the works.
Again, I am using memory that is taxed daily with many questions, important decisions, and relentless problems in a law enforcement investigations setting.
I have been thinking hard about going back on the streets but shift work may not work well for me after driving a desk for the past 4 years, so I can have more gun time.
sorry for rambling
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I much prefer the 2nd gen guns over the later models.
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The second generation Glocks are very nice. very businesslike. Plain Jane is sometimes the best.
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Which ones are the finger-groove but smooth (no checkering) models? I bought one in April '99 and it has the 'smooth finger grooves'. The rep told me they were making the change for an FBI order and all the subsequent guns would have them. I had to wait 2 1/2 months for the new ones.
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The new grip is awful. I doubt they will last long on the market, probably their biggest mistake so far. I like the rail and the fingergrooves, so either a 2nd or 3rd generation gun is fine IMO.
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