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Just came back from the range.
For the first time in many years I had the experience of just a "click" from the firing pin and about 5 seconds (!) later that round went off.
This reminded me again to not eject the round right away if it did not fire right away - WAIT for about 10 seconds.
It kind of surprised me today, but I was wondering how many times this actually happens?
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Just came back from the range.
For the first time in many years I had the experience of just a "click" from the firing pin and about 5 seconds (!) later that round went off.
This reminded me again to not eject the round right away if it did not fire right away - WAIT for about 10 seconds.
It kind of surprised me today, but I was wondering how many times this actually happens?
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03-29-2009, 09:01 AM
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I think you're the first person I know of who has had first-hand experience with a hang-fire.
I've been told it's more often an issue with rimfires, but even with the thousands and thousands of rounds of .22 I've sent downrange from one gun or another, I've never had a hang-fire.
I do remember the rifle lessons at scout camp, though - "If it doesn't go bang, leave the chamber closed and call for an instructor."
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03-29-2009, 09:24 AM
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I can also tell with .22 I have had some missfires, but I never experienced what happend today.
I have to say it almost kicked the gun right out of my hand - it was so unexpected. I have to add the gun (4003 TSW) is in excellent condition. I shot some 50 reounds without a problem after his incident, but I was kind of nervous after this.
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03-29-2009, 09:25 AM
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I've been shooting for 55 years, and have never actually experienced a "Hang Fire". But, I distinctly remember my first instructor telling me to wait before opening the bolt if the round doesn't go off. I've had plenty of "duds", especially Remington .22 Target, but no hang fires.
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The only time I have witnessed a hangfire,was in a .44 Mag. Anaconda. The owner was lowering the gun after the click, when it fired. He traced the cause to the primers not being fully seated on that batch of his handloads. The light strike from the firing pin seating the primer caused the hangfire.
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In the mid-80s I bought three boxes of 50s-vintage FN 45 ball. After two magazines of "click (anywhere from 1 second to 4 seconds later) pow" or "click (and ten seconds later walk over to the canal and eject the dud into the water)", I decided I didn't want to shoot anymore of it, and pulled the ammo down for the bullets.
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I've had a few with fairly old ammo (at least forty years or so), but NEVER that long. I don't know that my longest was a whole second.
Thanks for the info. From now on, I will count to ten a little more slowly, and watch where the back of the chamber is pointed when I open it.
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Back in the 60s when I ordered German surplus 9mm ammo in dull green boxes by the 1000-round case for my Luger, I got hangfires all the time. Most of the time they would fire on the second hit. But they were very cheap and fun to shoot. Haven't had the problem since except with some Remington 22s. That's why I shoot nothing but Federal 550 bulk from Wal-Mart - never a problem with them in any of my rifles or handguns.
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In Fifty years of shooting I have only experience a hang fire once and it was a doozy. I was shooting my buddies .500 S&W. I dropped the hammer and nothing happened, so I began to lower the gun. That was when it went "BANG!" As I recall it was a 440 grain bullet that was cooking along at over 1400 FPS - so you KNOW it got my attention. I unloaded the gun and handed it back to him, vowing never to shoot his hand loads again. Yikes!
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Thank you for sharing the experience you had with a misfire. I have never heard of this and it makes me really think about the consequence of not keeping the weapon pointed down range for a while before checking the problem. I am going to bring this up at our next gun club meeting. Once in a life time is once to often.
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Anyone who shoots Military Surplus guns and surplus ammo knows very well the click..........boom of a hangfire.
I haven't had the problem in any modern ammo, but I did have a batch of old soviet ammo for my Mosin Nagants that was so bad I quit shooting it and tore it down for the bullets.
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In more than fifty years of active shooting, I've never had a hang fire. I've had just a complete "dud", i.e. primer struck but didn't go off and that happened at the worst time possible. I was deer hunting, in the snow, up in the mountains with .30-06 cartridges that I had loaded. I had a deer in the cross hairs, pulled the trigger and..zip...zero...nada!
Waited about ten seconds, loaded another round and killed the deer!
When I did the "postmortem" on the failed cartridge, I could not see anything that would have caused that to happen.
It has never happened since.
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That's why I shoot nothing but Federal 550 bulk from Wal-Mart - never a problem with them in any of my rifles or handguns.
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I'd never had any problem with them either, until late last summer, when I apparently got a bad batch. Numerous FTF, assumably because of faulty priming, but also, several rounds that sounded distinctly different, i.e., much quieter than the norm. Then, one round made such a peculiar noise that I examined the 617 before firing another round. The bullet had stopped at the muzzle, with about half its length protruding. Retired the entire box, intending to send the lot # to Federal, but have as yet procrastinated, at which I'm expert from longstanding practice...
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Years ago I was running some old foreign made ammo through my MKII Ruger and had several hang fires...shoot wait a few seconds, then bang
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I had a hangfire in a Win Model 70 .30-06 once. It was winter and snowing, I swung on a deer trotting across a clearing, felt and heard the pin strike ... and nothing. But I kept the rifle swing/follow-through going and about 2 sec later, BLAM! No deer though. Really suprised me.
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No hang fires, but plenty of light primer strikes in some competition S&W revolvers when using CCI primers (I don't do that anymore . . . sticking to Federals for double action competitions).
HOWEVER . . . I DID HAVE A DREADED SQUIB.
It was in an old 3-screw Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum. I'd just gotten the gun and bought some reloads at a gun show from a guy. BIG MISTAKE!
Some rounds were so brutal to shoot and the brass had to be tapped out with a wood dowel. Then the loads got softer kicking over time . . . until finally, "poof."
A round barely went off. I immediately stopped and removed the cylinder. SQUIB . . . the bullet was stuck halfway through the barrel. If I'd shot another round the gun would have blown to pieces!
I don't buy reloads anymore. I went right out and bought my own reloading gear and reload my own today. No one is more careful than I.
Still . . . a shooter is a pure fool not to maintain vigilance against a light kicking round, for the next one could ruin your gun . . . or your LIFE!
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