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Anyone here shoot traditional muzzleloaders?
Been away for so long...thought I'd ask...
Any of the members here collect or shoot Flintlocks or Percussion guns?
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Sure. A TC Hawkin and an Italian repro Colt 1860 Army, for over 25 years now
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I've got 3 or 4 original percussion guns (pre CW) that I keep meaning to shoot, but just haven't got around to it.
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Flintlocks and percussion rifles, though in recent years only in reenactments.
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Have fiddled with them off and on ever since I kept an original Colt Navy (found it for $35 at an off-campus gun shop) in my college dorm room. It's still as rough as it was when I got it but supposedly it's worth $1200 now. Still like the percussion revolvers and shoot them. At last count I had six of various persuasions.
Have fond memories of a percussion T-C Hawken that served me well in the early 70s; foolishly traded it and still miss it. Had a lot of good times with good people with that rifle. One of these days I will find the flinchlock version and pick up where I left off.
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First gun I ever bought was a Thompson Center Hawken way back in 72. Paid a whole $110 for an outfit. I seem to remember what I paid on everything, well almost..those Colt Officers have gotten me confused a bit.
Anyway in recent years I have made a concerted effort to collect some original British and American Percussion target rifles. Among my dandies are a custom Gibbs style LR TGT by Don Brown among others.
So yes I do like Percussion and Flints...
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sometimes shoot my .50 cal flintlock, that i sold to a friend years ago. someday i'll get 'round to building another.
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Here is my 45 caliber 42 incher
This one is a 1807 Harper's Ferry pistol in 58 caliber
I also have a 58 mountain rifle that I built from a kit and a 1858 Remington replica.
I love to take my smokers to the range.
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Yes I have made & shot muzzle loaders ,Full stock Pennsylvania , flint & cap lock. Reproduction cap & ball pistols.LOVE THE SMELL OF BURNT BLACK POWDER I need to quit being lazy and start shooting again . Have been to FRIENDSHIP to sell and shoot back in the 70"&80". Changed jobs and did not have the time or $. to keep building them.I was able at that time to make and give each of the kids their own.
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Don't shoot them much anymore, used to shoot them alot. Even won a few matches over the years.
My favorite match rifle was a TC Cougar in .45 cal, my favorite hunting rifle was a TC Renegade in.50 cal.
I always laugh when some know it all or gun writer says something along the lines of the .30-30 is obsolete and .30-06 is barely good enough to take a deer or elk.
A BP .50 with a round ball will take any deer and a maxi-ball will take elk easy enough. The best shot I took with my .50 was about 75 yards at a nice 2 point. Hit him through the ribs and in to the lungs. Found the ball splattered on the far side rib it was about the size of a nickle. That deer didn't go far and neither did any of the rest.
Its all about shot placement.
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I have a percussion half stock Hawken rifle made by Tom Nixon in West Virginia. It has a .50 caliber barrel made by Robert Hoyt and a lock and trigger by Bob Roller. The barrel is 32 inches long and is 1 1/8 inches at the breech and tapers to 1 inch at the muzzle. It has a 1:66 twist. The curly maple stock is beautiful. The rifle is very well made and very accurate.
When people see it, they have two things to say, "Wow! It's beautiful" and "Wow. It's heavy".
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Here is a Don Kammerer of Kendiville Indiana Jager Rifle that I picked up. It came with an extra smooth bore barrel and lock.
Anybody know anything about Kammerer? I know he shot and sold his rifles at Friendship and has passed away several years ago. His quality is excellent.
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A must have book if one is interested in muzzleloaders is the book by Ned Roberts " The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle"
Those oldtimers could really shoot. There is a picture in Roberts book of a half dollar sized target with 11 shots at 220 yards where every shot cuts the last in the shape of a "W."
Also the 5 volume set of books by Swinney as edited and photographed by Tom Rowe "The New York Firearms Trade." Several of the rifles I own are listed in that book. Tom is also a friend.
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I have several traditional muzzleloaders. A CVA Kentucky Rifle in .45 caliber Thompson Center Seneca .45 caliber, CVA Squirrel Rifle in .32 caliber, and a Navy Arms Buffalo Hunter in .58 Caliber, all four are percussion guns.I still want my flintlock.
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You mean everyone doesn't ?
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I have a Lyman Great Plains Rifle in .50 that is a great off the rack percussion muzzle loading rifle. Been meaning to put in for a Muzzle loading Deer tag but I barely have time to hunt birds in the fall. I also have a .44 Colt Navy Civilian Model made by Pietta. It is different from the Military Model buy having a silver plated grip frame and not a brass one. Looks very nice and shoots great.
I just picked up a very nice M1861 .58 Cal Euroarms Springfield. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but will soon. Want to get a M1858 Army in .44 with the .45 Colt Conversion cylinder. I have a M1871 Colt Conversion in .44 Colt that is real fun to shoot. I have used it in a few SASS Matches over the years.
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Me the wife, kids and grandkids hit about 6 or 7 rendezvous a year plus deer and elk hunting. I have just about given up on centerfire rifles for hunting. Still like my mod 25-5 45 colt though. I hunt with a lyman great plains 54, shoot rondys with a TC 45 and a custom made 62 / 20 ga trade gun. You can't beat the quality of people you meet at black powder shoots. Its a family fun event from a few weeks old to the 80's.
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You can't beat the quality of people you meet at black powder shoots. Its a family fun event from a few weeks old to the 80's.
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Boy, is that ever true...
I'm going to a Vous in July and another in October. Can't wait. Last one I went to was back in May. You meet some pretty fine folks at these events...
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Yes, I have a .62 caliber Hawken flintlock and a .72 caliber Pedersoli Express double. I like the large bores, and consider anything under a .58 caliber to be to small.
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Still working on a 45cal flint long rifle when time permits. Have a 31cal barrel and a Davis percussion lock that I'd like to make up into a light weight rifle after that. Had the barrel and the stock blank around since the 70's(!) when I used to be heavy into BP,,then I got away from it totally till recently. The 31cal barrel had already been on another rifle once before but doesn't appear to have been shot.
Whats happened to Green Mountain Barrel Co that you can't seem to buy any barrels from them. Most everything is out of stock of late.
I bought a Colerain for the 45 Flint rifle but the GM barrels are decent for alot of projects and the prices keep the costs down.
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Built myself a Southern Mountain rifle or two and a couple Hawkens and love shooting them along with a Remington Zouave and a 1851 Navy revolver. The SM rifle in 50 cal gets the call when deer are on the agenda and it has taken a bunch shooting 85 grains of FFg and a patched RB. My BP guns get no subsitute BP (Triple 7, Pyrodex, ect.), only the genuine BP for me.
If it aint shoot'in a round ball and BP it aint traditional!
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Believe it or not, I used to. I had a TC 50 cal White Mountain Carbine I used to deer hunt with during muzzleloader season. Using sabots it was very accurate!
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I am actually Don's Brother-in-Law. I'd sure enjoy seeing more of the gun you have....is it for sale?
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Oh lets see,
here is my .45 CVA Derringer
my 1860 Army Colt made by Pietta and one of the two 3rd place medals it has helped me win.
My 1853 .577 Enfield musketoon and the 2nd place medal from last year for 100 yards offhand
Here is the same gun with a 115 pound doe I shot with it, dropped her right in her tracks, also about 100 yards offhand
I also have a CVA .45 Kentucky Rifle, a CVA .32 squirrel rifle (took 3rd place for squirrel rifle match last fall), a TC .45 Seneca, and a .36 caliber medieval handgonne.
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Almost, but my flintlock is left handed. I built it in the late 70's using a Douglass barrel and Siler lock.
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Great guns
TC renegade in .54. I took nine elk in SE Washington and several San Juan Island deer with it. My son has it now for Maine whitetail. I shot 400 gr maxi balls. One shot kills every time.
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The only gun I hunt with. Just finished the Ohio ml season. I have a GRRW Hawken, a Ozark Mountain arms hawken, a custom made Hawken and a custom made late Lancaster.
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I have several percussion cap and flintlock guns, both rifles and handguns. In years past my family participated in many annual rendezvous, shot competitively, and hunted exclusively with black powder and round balls. Now a days I often dust them off and fill the air with smoke - love that smell
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I'm surprised that i missed this thread
Sure i shoot muzleloaders
This one from back then, when i was (five years in a row) northern Sweden's gold medalist at flintlockmusket shooting
I also shoot C&B revolvers in Cowboy action.
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I've got one I built from a kit back in the 80s.Its been in the safe for a long time,might need to get it out shooting again
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T/C Hawken, 2nd Dragoon, Walker, 1860 Army and Ruger Old Army. Plus BP cartridges in pre-1900 Colts, Winnies, Sharps, and a few others.
Also, have an non-traditional (In-line) by Knight.
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T/C Renegade 54 caliber..... 530 gr.maxi ball.....been my BP "meat gun" since the 80's....limit my shots to 100 yds or less, usually DRT.
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Use to shoot muzzleloaders ( percussion ) quite a bit, back in the 70's and early 80's. Until I strayed from the path and started shooting handguns.
I have a T/C Hawken 50, and a .50 and .32 I put together from parts. Use to hunt with them and shoot in local matches.
This past year I started shooting long range rifle. And was talking to one of the top shooters at the long range matches. Found out he use to shoot muzzleloaders about the same time frame, same clubs, knew some of the same people.
Funny how shooters just like shooting,, whether it's handguns,, muzzleloaders, shotguns, or rifles.
And some of the nicest people you will ever meet are shooters..
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I've got two Hawken percussion 54 calibers. One by Brant Selb.
3 shots will cloverleaf at 90 yds.
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Yes I did. Lyman plains rifle. Big heavy flintlock. I put 3 round balls in an inch at 100 yards. I shot one deer with it and sold it.
Cleaning a true black powder gun is a pain, so I got rid of it.
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Years ago, I bought a Lyman Hawkins in .54 caliber for elk hunting. The first two seasons were "shoot and release." Third season I finally hit one (in Wahkiakum county; somehow the gun fired despite a constant downpour).
Sometime ago, a friend in the San Juan's invited me a couple years later for a managed deer hunt, 3 deer in 3 shots. I was delighted (although honestly, the deer weren't much bigger than my friend's German Shepard....I guess that's why they needed culling).
I'm not sure how much longer I can live without getting at least one of those spiffy Pieta revolvers. Just because. Cabela's keeps having them on sale and my resistance is wearing down.
In Washington (as well as Idaho and Oregon), rifles with enclosed percussion caps are illegal (as are any using cartridge/shotshell primers). For many years, that meant a traditional-style firearm was almost required.
Now, some manufacturers make muzzleloaders in a more modern configuration that meet the ignition requirement. I see those now, along with scopes, camo gear and so on. Ugh. It just ain't right....
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Got my first muzzleloader when I was around fifteen in 1969. It was a Navy Arms .45 percussion Kentucky Rifle. I had to find a book to learn how to shoot it. The shop where I bought it sold powder by the pound in brown paper bags. I got a mold and plummers lead and bought pillow ticking and I was off. A couple years later I got a .58 Zouave replica. Next was a 1858 .44 Remington revolver replica and a .44 1860 Army and years later a Dixie Brown Bess. I soon got a Charleville Pistol replica. I also have a .50 hand built mountain rifle and a Thompson Center .58 Big Boar and a .50 Thompson Center flintlock Hawken...I have been rendezvousing for around thirty years...Actually my first ML was a length of bamboo that had some tape and wire wrapped around it. It had a touch hole I drilled in it and was loaded with flash powder from firecrackers, newspaper wads, gravel, more paper and was primed with a firecracker fuse stuck through the touch hole...It worked until it blew up. I wasn't injured but decided a BB rifle would be better. I think I was around ten...So yep, I DO like to shoot smokepoles!
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Thinned the herd quite a bit since getting married twenty years ago, but I've still got a few. All flints, none store-bought or from kits (although I did buy one stock blank & barrel from Jim Chambers).
Swamped .40 squirrel rifle, lots of brass & wire inlay in maple, .54 Lancaster rifle in tiger-stripe maple, swamped .62 Southern Mountain rifle in persimmon, and a maple stocked .62 (20 gauge) smooth bore Poor Boy.
Shot the .54 in State matches from Maine to Indiana and Kentucky. Any more, just at home & in the woods. Kinda disappointed my 12 year-old has no interest.
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.45 Cal T/C Hawkin bought new in 1978. Won many turkeys for my neighbors and my family back when turkey shoots were still popular here. In `97 got a 201 lb 7 point buck with her on 1st day of muzzle loader.
Have a couple BP English shotguns ,caplock doubles and an Italian 1860 5" that really shoots well.
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Have a Pedersoli .45 flintlock pistol. Put about 20 rounds through it and still learning. Last time out a ball got stuck while loading. Next time out i will swab with bore butter after each shot to see if that prevents fouling. How in the world did they fight wars with these things?
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Twenty oh nine, twenty eleven, yesterday and today!
I love a good resurrection!
I'm not a flinter, but a cap-n-baller!
Had a black powder day at the range a couple weeks back, before the weather turned and had a blast with a rifle (.50) and pistol (.45).
Tried out some home cast, home lubed Maxi-balls to good effect also.
The pistol was so much fun, I've been looking at Old Army's again...oh jeez!
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