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Old 09-19-2016, 01:36 PM
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Just bought a NIB Colt Defender at my LGS. Took it home and disassembled it for clean and grease. To my horror I find a deep gouge with missing aluminum on the alloy frame rail.

My LGS will be sending this one back to Colt. Hopefully Colt corrects the situation. It's appalling that they would let this out the door in the first place.
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Sorry about that. I hope Colt corrects it.

It is a pity Japanese do not have a proper gun culture and thus do not manufacture more guns. The quality would be outstanding!

Americans know how to make guns with a soul, the Japanese would make them accurate, dependable and long lasting.

I would be the first in line to buy a "Nissan" or "Honda" revolver!

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Agreed that there has evidently been a lapse in final quality control inspection from many firearm manufacturers as demonstrated by the spate of recent posts lamenting this very issue; canted barrels, MIM parts, poor metallurgy, and on and on.....

The age of old world craftsmanship has gone the way of the dinosaur as companies continue to pare costs for the sake of profits. In a way, those of us who own stock in public companies contribute to this situation as we are always looking for the next quarterly dividend to be better than the prior one and companies - and company executives - are constantly looking for ways to squeeze costs in order to improve margins at the expense of producing a quality product. (So much for my rant...)

In any event, not sure is this is can be attributed to machine or human failure but, as you've pointed out, the firearm should not have left the factory in this condition.

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...deep gouge looks more like a little nick to me...

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Sorry about that. I hope Colt corrects it.

It is a pity Japanese do not have a proper gun culture and thus do not manufacture more guns. The quality would be outstanding!

Americans know how to make guns with a soul, the Japanese would make them accurate, dependable and long lasting.

I would be the first in line to buy a "Nissan" or "Honda" revolver!

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A lgs had a Miroku Liberty Chief revolver on consignment recently.

I'm sorry I didn't buy it.
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Miroku Brownings have been excellent guns, with proper machining, near perfect metal to wood fit, high quality production barrels, and even properly done hot blueing. Have several Browning 1885 Single Shots, an 1886 rifle and carbine, and a Model 12 shotgun in 20ga.

One of these days someone is going to notice how shooters want classic handguns that are either no longer made, or are made with MIM parts, etc., and since patents have expired, will have Miroku or someone else in Japan make them. Sure, detractors will put them down, but if I needed an 1886 for hunting (and I did), the Browning is a better gun than the original. (The 1885 is a better gun too with the exception of trying to take it apart. It's a nightmare. OK, there's one ding for Miroku.)
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Agreed that there has evidently been a lapse in final quality control inspection from many firearm manufacturers as demonstrated by the spate of recent posts lamenting this very issue; canted barrels, MIM parts, poor metallurgy, and on and on.....

The age of old world craftsmanship has gone the way of the dinosaur as companies continue to pare costs for the sake of profits. In a way, those of us who own stock in public companies contribute to this situation as we are always looking for the next quarterly dividend to be better than the prior one and companies - and company executives - are constantly looking for ways to squeeze costs in order to improve margins at the expense of producing a quality product. (So much for my rant...)

In any event, not sure is this is can be attributed to machine or human failure but, as you've pointed out, the firearm should not have left the factory in this condition.
How much does "old world craftsmanship" cost? Who would buy that?

Old world craftsmanship was great when labor was cheap. Not so much today. Old world craftsmanship also meant that no two parts were the same. Break something or change something out and you need a gunsmith. And finally....old world craftsmanship still broke just like it does today. Also they had issues like this just like they do today. The only difference is there was no internet to cry on. You wouldn't know if Bob from MN had a bad revolver. Don't old revolvers show up with a star to indicate that they had repairs done? How would you know when the damage occurred?

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You can buy some really inexpensive hunting rifles that are excellent bargains in terms of cost,durability,and accuracy. Not as pretty maybe but an excellent tool that almost anyone can afford to own and shoot but not so much for keeping in your safe and only looking at and never firing.
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