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Cary Grant, Alfred Hitchcock, and Glen Cove PD's Sam Brown belt double pencil holder
In Hitchcock's North By Northwest, Cary Grant is mistaken for a non-existent spy and spends the next two hours dodging assassins, cops, crop dusters, a slightly gay Martin Landau, a Colt Vest Pocket .25, and gravity.
In the first attempt to rub him out he is forced to drink a bunch of bourbon then is put behind the wheel of a car and pointed toward a cliff. He proves to be adept at drunk driving and doesn't crash, but is hooked up by the Glen Cove PD.
While he is being booked, I couldn't help but notice both cops have leather pencil holders on their duty belts.
I've never seen this set up before. Has anyone else?
P.S. - He goes to court to beat the rap, and his Mom tells him to just pay the $2 fine!
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10-09-2016, 07:34 AM
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IIRC (?) NYPD used "Pencil Holders". In my era we didn't, but used shirt pockets for pen and pencil. In those times the equipment belt held holster, cuff case, ammo pouch, cartridge loops, and baton ring.
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10-09-2016, 08:52 AM
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I wonder if they're packing lead in those pencils?
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New York City corrections currently wear those.
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Looks mighty unsafe for Leo to wear that rig in that manner.
No thumb strap, no dual action extraction safety...any bad guy could just walk by and grab those #2's in a flash
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IIRC (?) NYPD used "Pencil Holders". In my era we didn't, but used shirt pockets for pen and pencil. In those times the equipment belt held holster, cuff case, ammo pouch, cartridge loops, and baton ring.
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You forgot the leather snap "keepers" that secured your gun belt to your regular belt. I always used them and cannot think of anyone who didn't once the Sam Browne belt faded into obscurity. Flashlight ring's were very common and a carrier for handheld radio too after the early 80's.
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Man, sigP220.45, your posts are always worth a read. I appreciate the places your observational powers take us. Thanks, amigo.
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New York City corrections currently wear those.
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I guess that's why those pencils have erasers?
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I've never seen a pencil holder like that, but it looks like an East Coast thing to me.
Here in the West, we carried ink pens in our shirt pocket. Pencils were not allowed. As a "rookie" when writing up a daily or a crime report any mistake resulted in the Training Officer ripping up and discarding the offending page. High profile reports were typed up. They were all due by the end of the shift.
The invention of erasable ink pens was a Godsend!
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Old school cop accessory from the 50s and 60s, maybe even before. I never used one, but I saw them in the leather catalogs and some of the old police supply stores.
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Jay Pee leather co.
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I guess the state police used crossdraw rigs....
(Sorry about having to click on the second link.)
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It's been a while, but I remember reading that old NYPD uniform shirts didn't have pockets, just a stitched-on outline of one. Hence the belt mounted or holster mounted pen/pencil holders.
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I've never seen a pencil holder like that, but it looks like an East Coast thing to me.
Here in the West, we carried ink pens in our shirt pocket. Pencils were not allowed. As a "rookie" when writing up a daily or a crime report any mistake resulted in the Training Officer ripping up and discarding the offending page. High profile reports were typed up. They were all due by the end of the shift.
The invention of erasable ink pens was a Godsend!
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Some parts of the West. We kept pencils for when the ink was too cold to flow. I used an Eversharp.
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My F-I-L was solo in the late 50's and talked of writing tickets in the rain with a No 2 pencil. I would think he'd be pretty POed if he had to get his pencil out!
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The pencil vs. pen comments reminds me of a story I heard about 35 years ago. I was getting ready to leave for my enlistment in the Army and I was told several great stories from veterans before I left. Nothing gory, just everyday stuff that would usually have a nugget of good advise in it.
One of my friend's Dad told about how they took away everyone's ink pen and gave them pencils. The reason was because a pencil would write on wet paper and not run and would never freeze up in tbe cold.
He was a WWII vet and served during the Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes. He didn't say much about the fighting but he did say the movies ended where the real fighting was just starting. His family members were surprised he talked to me because he never told anyone anything about his time in the service.
RIP Mr. Battell and thanks for the advise.
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