Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > Gun Leather & Carry Gear

Notices

Gun Leather & Carry Gear All Holster and Gun Leather Topics


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-15-2016, 03:16 PM
koz5614 koz5614 is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 770
Likes: 207
Liked 1,108 Times in 292 Posts
Default Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"

I went to the Allentown Gun Show today and picked these up. There are no manufacturer's marks. Anyone hazard a guess as to their age?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-15-2016, 03:37 PM
crazyphil crazyphil is offline
US Veteran
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 8,002
Likes: 35,764
Liked 29,652 Times in 6,014 Posts
Default

I can remember cops carrying them back in the 1960s. They called
them saps. If they layed one up along side your head it would save
the wear and tear on their gun barrel.

Kinda reminds me of a camel driver asking another one how to get
his camel started. He said pick up a couple of flat rocks, one in
each hand, put your hands up between his back legs, and smack
those rocks together. Don't that hurt asks the camel driver.
No, not if you keep your thumbs out of the way.
__________________
In Omnia Paratus

Last edited by crazyphil; 10-15-2016 at 03:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 10-15-2016, 06:45 PM
Pond Scum 43 Pond Scum 43 is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Georgia
Posts: 81
Likes: 86
Liked 48 Times in 29 Posts
Default

Those saps are nice.I like them both. Ihope they sold for a good price.
Did you buy them both from the same dealer?
Again, nice find.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-15-2016, 08:15 PM
GerSan69 GerSan69 is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: metro Phoenix
Posts: 3,196
Likes: 16,406
Liked 3,964 Times in 1,605 Posts
Default

They look like late 60s - early 70s to me. We all carried those back in the old days. Best door knockers ever invented.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 10-16-2016, 03:03 PM
turnerriver's Avatar
turnerriver turnerriver is offline
Moderator

Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Miami,Fl
Posts: 3,839
Likes: 11,208
Liked 18,128 Times in 2,528 Posts
Default

Those are in good shape, I don't see many and the ones I do see are frequently rough and well used. Most makers cataloged different models, I've long looked for Heiser or Myres marked saps or slappers but haven't found any. Thanks for posting these.
Regards,
turnerriver
__________________
turnerriver
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-16-2016, 09:51 PM
loc n load loc n load is offline
SWCA Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: S/W Indiana
Posts: 1,500
Likes: 1,923
Liked 2,458 Times in 876 Posts
Default

They were a essential part of our duty gear, I started in 73. There were two styles, the cylindrical type as pictured in the OP, and the flat "slapper". I've worked with guy's who were artists with both. I was in motors for several years, and our duty pants had a special pocket incorporated in them that was made specifically for a flat sap.
Also had a pair of sap gloves, supple leather gloves with powered lead sewn into the portion of the glove that covered your knuckles. All of them were "tools of the trade" back in that era. Have a good friend who has been a road trooper for 25 years and he carries a flat sap every shift.
As to the age of the one's in the photo, I would say 60's / 70's.

Last edited by loc n load; 10-16-2016 at 09:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 10-17-2016, 06:41 AM
crazyphil crazyphil is offline
US Veteran
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 8,002
Likes: 35,764
Liked 29,652 Times in 6,014 Posts
Default

I see there are quite a few available on the auction site under
"blackjacks".
__________________
In Omnia Paratus
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 10-18-2016, 11:09 AM
Russell Cottle's Avatar
Russell Cottle Russell Cottle is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Pawnee, Oklahoma
Posts: 286
Likes: 16,836
Liked 621 Times in 139 Posts
Default

Late '60's, early 70's. The one on the right looks like mine except it's in better shape than mine.
__________________
Sheriff Russell Cottle. ret
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 10-18-2016, 12:43 PM
Neumann Neumann is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,422
Likes: 30
Liked 700 Times in 392 Posts
Default

You don't need to beat someone on the head with a sap. My uncle (a detective at the time) took down a bad guy with a single blow to his upper arm. He went to his knees and threw up.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 10-18-2016, 02:16 PM
Buford57 Buford57 is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,193
Likes: 400
Liked 5,038 Times in 1,633 Posts
Default

I was loaned one the size of the one on the right, but with the sliding sleeve like the left my first day on the job in 1979. It came from a former night marshal who had carried it during Prohibition. When I left for a different department a couple years later he took it back.

I never did get the hang of flipping it out of my coat sleeve the way he did it.
__________________
I need ammo, not a ride.

Last edited by Buford57; 10-18-2016 at 02:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 10-18-2016, 03:30 PM
poordevil poordevil is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yuma
Posts: 801
Likes: 176
Liked 436 Times in 261 Posts
Default

Of course this is Hollywood and make believe....but in the 1980's series Miami Vice......an episode with Willie Nelson as an old Texas Ranger out to revenge the death of his partners son (an undercover cop) used a Black Jack to very good effect. I though it was well done by Willie.
__________________
A Snider squibbed n the Jungle
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-18-2016, 09:03 PM
Toyman's Avatar
Toyman Toyman is online now
SWCA Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Henderson,Nevada
Posts: 2,624
Likes: 1,874
Liked 9,106 Times in 1,288 Posts
Default

I was a reserve officer on a department in 1970. I rode with one of the mid night officers who always rode alone. He had started in 1947 and had a PREWAR attitude about how people should act and be handled if they chose to act in ways other than the officer thought was proper. He carried a TEXAN flat sap in the front of his Sam Brown belt and the department wore gray shirts so all his shirts had a black stain from the sap rubbing on the shirt. He was good with sap and not shy about using it.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 10-18-2016, 09:11 PM
snowman.45 snowman.45 is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Buckeye, AZ, USA
Posts: 1,085
Likes: 10,373
Liked 1,324 Times in 487 Posts
Default

I carried a flat sap in my sap pocket for several years before they took them away from us. I preferred sap gloves. They had a little powdered lead in the knuckles and were great in tight spaces where you had to use your fists rather than a sap or nightstick. When someone was punched with sap gloves, the effects were often amazing. You could deliver a stronger blow without damage to your knuckles. Great in barroom fights. They took those about the same time they decided saps were too barbaric.
__________________
Dave Frost
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-19-2016, 08:17 AM
old bear's Avatar
old bear old bear is offline
US Veteran
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: R.T. P, area NC
Posts: 9,716
Likes: 29,583
Liked 23,016 Times in 5,788 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by koz5614 View Post
I went to the Allentown Gun Show today and picked these up. There are no manufacturer's marks. Anyone hazard a guess as to their age?
If I remember correctly those are Blackjacks, not saps. Blackjacks have a coil spring, that gives a whipping action when used. They are a nasty piece of gear, a head shot from one of those can be lethal.

Saps generally have a flat spring or metal insert.
__________________
Always Stay Strong!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-19-2016, 09:33 AM
jimmyj's Avatar
jimmyj jimmyj is offline
Member
Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear" Well...I guess this could be considered "Carry Gear"  
Join Date: May 2003
Location: DUNNELLON, FLORIDA USA
Posts: 11,111
Likes: 1,691
Liked 16,314 Times in 4,238 Posts
Default

In my career I found the best type was a "Convoy" which was a round piece of lead mounted on a spring handle and the entire "Tool" was wrapped in leather. Nine inches long and weighed 16oz.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are all Model 10's considered "M&P"'s? soonerdad S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 8 04-07-2013 01:58 AM
What is Considered "Hot" .357 Ammo? kbm6893 Ammo 24 08-28-2012 09:24 PM
Is this considered a "social networking" site? snowman The Lounge 44 02-12-2011 12:41 PM
What would be considered a "Collectible" today. Joebklyn S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 19 01-26-2011 03:47 PM
SOLD - "L" frame holster, speed loaders, gear 03clyde Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 2 01-22-2011 07:06 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:02 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)