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Is there a tell-tale way to tell the difference if the holster is
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No expert here, but I would think that sharp edges on the work, or evidence of once-sharp edges, where the leather would have been carved, would be the best hint. Also, I believe that carving would generally have separated the surface of the leather, exposing non-surface leather at least on the side of the cut, if not more. Don't reckon stamping would do that. Obviously, this would be clearest on a floral design, or similar.
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Embossed leather items never have the sharp details that come from hand carving. The embossed patterns whether floral or what have you will be only as clear as the die that was used in their manufacture.
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Look at policerevolvercollector's Two new to me holsters on this same
forum page. That floral holster sure looked carved to me, but I went
to the website and found that they are stamped?
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What an interesting question. Normally afloral design is not embossed with a die, but it is done. One of the answers will surprise you: look for the intentional discolouration of the leather, in the stamping that is used with the knife cuts. And speaking of that, one can look for the knife cuts.

Trouble is, if someone REALLY knows what they're doing, the die was made by nickel plating the original leather piece, then the die is heated in a press. Bingo, looks like it's been done by hand; this is the method we used at Bianchi on rifle slings. Bear in mind that it takes a lot of production to justify making a die at all.

So the final test is: when holding two that are identical models, are all the details the same between them? Because it's impossible to hand carve two pieces identically due to what I'll call "the snowflake effect". One can get 'close, but no cigar'.
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Looking at the floral holster, it appears to me as being embossed. I do no see any distinct carving. I had a friend who was a master saddlemaker named Eddie Bacon who carved many saddles. The flower for example has no signs of being carved but being stamped, The edges are too round to have been carved, Also, the holster was formed by using a stamp and not cut which is shown by the roundness of the edges.
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What say ye on this one without me disclosing the maker (yet)?

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What say ye on this one without me disclosing the maker (yet)?

No question about that one. It's definately hand carved.
I remember it's a Hunter because I lusted for it another
time when you posted it. Beautiful holster.
While on this subject lets show some of our carved
examples. Here, left to right, Myres, Heiser, & Lawrence.
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A few more carved examples Left to Right:

Threepersons style with "dog ear", hosting S&W model 67, made by
homicide detective Lt. Oliver O. Ball of the Ft. Worth P.D.

Myres #624 with "dog ear" and safety strap, on a Sparks belt,
occupied by the model 67. The knife is by Benchmade.

Heiser #757 shown with S&W model 10, a S&W knife, and a
Simply Rugged belt.

A Heiser #713 with a Mexican made cartridge belt and my
S&W model 19.

Chisholm Trail holster with my S&W model 29. Sparks belt
and a Case knife.
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Yep, you got it!
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Default C&L's flower carved Hunter holster

fat tom has the same model over on vintage J frame holster
post, except his is for a J frame.

I found an ad for this old beauty in a May 1956 American
Rifleman magazine.

They called it COMBAT ACTION HOLSTER For Peace Officers,
Detectives, Sheriffs and Guards.

"This Hunter Spring belt combat holster is built for maximum
concealment, quick access, and is equally efficient for regular
or cross-draw work. Adjustable spring tension. Gun will not
fall out."

AVAILABLE IN BLACK OR BROWN
Flower Carved holster...$6.70
Plain holster.................$4.80

I should have bought a bunch of them, but I probably could
not afford it. $6.70 was a lot of money in 1956
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A black and brown Heiser #753 and a S.D.Myers "Texas Jockstrap" all Mexican hand-carved floral design.
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fat tom has the same model over on vintage J frame holster
post, except his is for a J frame.

I found an ad for this old beauty in a May 1956 American
Rifleman magazine.

They called it COMBAT ACTION HOLSTER For Peace Officers,
Detectives, Sheriffs and Guards.

"This Hunter Spring belt combat holster is built for maximum
concealment, quick access, and is equally efficient for regular
or cross-draw work. Adjustable spring tension. Gun will not
fall out.

AVAILABLE IN BLACK OR BROWN
Flower Carved holster...$6.70
Plain holster.................$4.80

I should have bought a bunch of them, but I probably could
not afford it. $6.70 was a lot of money in 1956
You are absolutely right Phil. In this part of the world in 1956, $6.70 was a DAY'S Pay. Quite a commitment for pore folks.
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A black and brown Heiser #753 and a S.D.Myers "Texas Jockstrap" all Mexican hand-carved floral design.
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Your holsters definitely show quality hand carved floral designs. I am really fond of the "jockstrap" holsters. If you have already done it, please give me the link, if you haven't, please do a thread showing some close-up pictures of your Myres in this thread.

You really have some gems!
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Thank you for the kind words boykinip. As requested, here are some close ups of two jockstrap holsters that I have.
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Here are a few shots of the Colorado Saddlery black jockstrap holster.
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Thanks, Bill!! The carving on all of those holsters is superb!!!
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It's those ever so slight imperfections that tell
the truth between hand made and machine.


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I think Brett Neff did a purty good job on this embossed holster.
What do you all think?

P.S. The model 29 .44 mag is by S&W
The belt by Haugen
The knife by Bear
The 300-Gr. cast flat points by Federal
The Speed loaders by HKS
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And I know David Keith did a darn good job of tooling on this
holster.
Belt, again, and mag pouch by Haugen.
.45 ACP Gold Cup by Colt.
Knife by Case.
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And an example of hand carving or Mexican carving is this Myres
model 614 Threepersons.
With S&W's model 27 on board.
On the Haugen belt.
And knife by Camillus.
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So here, left to right are examples of:
Embossed by Neffleather
Carved by Myres
Tooled by Henry Cassady
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Just stumbled across the site, and this thread. I've carved a holster (or two) over the years, so interested in what other folks replied to this question.

My opinion (though I'm actually a leather "purist"), is that the hand made version should be BETTER, since (in theory) it has had the time spent to make it better.

Just one to check out... each his/her own. Carving design original artwork by Al Stohlman (about 50 years ago).
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