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My son made a Tom Three Person for my Colt 38 Super!
It rides and carrys well and is lined with pigskin. It retains Colt Super with good draw with the cant.
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It looks great - but why did he make the upside down version? ... It makes me sad to see your CDR though; I had one up until '98 but finances forced me to sell it ... for a song compared to today's prices ...
Edited to add: I was attempting to make a funny about the photo orientation. His work is beautiful and I didn't intend to mock him or his work.
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That's a beauty!! He shows great talent. I just bought a Threepersons for my Commander off of eBay, and I'll bet you got a better deal!!
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Let's jam this ALL up with some important historical info: Tom Threepersons and Tom Three Persons both existed and were different people, born virtually the same year but in two different countries, died 20 years apart, and buried in the same two different countries (USA and Canada respectively). Yet both were famous for rodeoing, though the former more for his law enforcement career. Mixing the two stories has badly contaminated the historical record going back to Eugene Cunningham in the 1920s but the more contemporary sources have got it better sorted out now.
Secondly: it's not a threepersons unless there is a substantial -- one, two, or three -- leather welt inside that jams the pistol in place. Even John Bianchi's No. 2 -- which your son has copied -- is not a threepersons because the welt does not function that way.
Thirdly: there WAS a genuine threepersons for the auto, made by Myres beginning in 1931, which ignored that principle by encircling the trigger guard with leather as did the Brill -- because Arno Brill actually designed Myres' holster for him and Tom.
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Red, I mentioned above that I had just received a holster off of eBay that was advertised as a "Tom Threepersons" from El Paso Saddlery. I don't know much about holster design, but for what it's worth, here is a shot of it on my Colt Commander. It fits very snugly, and has a fairly thick welt. I suppose the safety strap is not authentic, but seems to serve a purpose. I think that this may be a "second", because the numbers on the back have x's through them. That's ok, I just needed a holster for the range, so it works for that.
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Red, I mentioned above that I had just received a holster off of eBay that was advertised as a "Tom Threepersons" from El Paso Saddlery. I don't know much about holster design, but for what it's worth, here is a shot of it on my Colt Commander. It fits very snugly, and has a fairly thick welt. I suppose the safety strap is not authentic, but seems to serve a purpose. I think that this may be a "second", because the numbers on the back have x's through them. That's ok, I just needed a holster for the range, so it works for that.
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Yes, gorgeous. I've long been interested that with John's No. 2, of which this EPS is a copy, he's long touted that he thereby 'invented' the first concealment holster for the 1911 -- yet not only was it not the first but it was mainly marketed as a field holster (with 2-1/4" wide belt slot to suit).
The strap on yours doesn't detract from the threepersons definition, not least because the original threepersons styles from Myres -- there were many -- several had straps, and the auto always had a strap. The No. 2 started out strapless and had a strap added to it within a decade or so.
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With apologies to the OP, jeeps, ... I hope I'm not hi-jacking your thread, but I find this topic of the Threpersons holster fascinating. Also, just like your Government Model, my Commander is in 38 Super. Quite a coincidence, as this seems to be a much under appreciated caliber, even though there were many Texas Rangers and other early Lawmwn who appreciated the cartridge!!
For Red: Here is what I guess you call the welt. It seems to be two layers of thick leather, and the holster seems to be both robust and delicate, if you know what I mean. I was quite amazed at the workmanship and minimalist look to it. The lining seems to be something like soft glove leather.
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With apologies to the OP, jeeps, ... I hope I'm not hi-jacking your thread, but I find this topic of the Threpersons holster fascinating. Also, just like your Government Model, my Commander is in 38 Super. Quite a coincidence, as this seems to be a much under appreciated caliber, even though there were many Texas Rangers and other early Lawmwn who appreciated the cartridge!!
For Red: Here is what I guess you call the welt. It seems to be two layers of thick leather, and the holster seems to be both robust and delicate, if you know what I mean. I was quite amazed at the workmanship and minimalist look to it. The lining seems to be something like soft glove leather.
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Do like the way the leather welts are jammed up agains the dust shield of your 1911. Now -- about that front sight, which on anything but a G.I. is going to drag something fierce.
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Thanks for your expert history Red! I am just happy to hear from you and your rich hands on knowledge! My son lined the holster with black died pig skin like a suede glued to the outside leather. It is tight ,but smooth on draw. Outside rubbed with neatsfoot and sealed with handful beeswax over dye. I like the simpleness of it. Maybe for my birthday he could make one for my Colt Frontier six-shooter 44-40 4 -3/4" barrel. Thanks all for your kind words God Bless!
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That is some beautiful work you son is doing jeeps. Only suggestion I
would have is to consider using wider lace. See my thread IDAHO LEATHER for an example of what I mean. Not trying to be critical.
Trying to be constructive.
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Hi Les,
Here is another El Paso Saddlery Threepersons with the safety strap for
a revolver. My model 67 on board.
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I can't get over the quality of the carving!! That style of carving adds a hefty premium to a commercially made holster for a reason...the time and talent that it takes to do a nice, attractive, and workman like job. That is really nice looking, jeeps, now you need to have him make a matching magazine holder and belt!!
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Hi there. . .I am jeeps son and I am new to the forum. Thank you for the great comments. I have to say it is an absolute honor to have comments posted by red nichols. I have followed his work and love his design and history. All you guys out there should check out his site if you have not already, it is like holster porn.lol. anyhow, i 'll take any advice or suggestions I can get as I am just starting off in the holster hobby. Attached is a couple more 1911s I just finished.
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Welcome to the forum!! You will probably love it here. Nice work that you have shown so far, although I'm far from being an authority on holsters, like Red Nichols, and some of the other guys like Crazyphil and Turnerriver. These guys know a lot about holsters and also have collected many thousands of dollars worth of the finest holsters.
One thing that I was curious about on the Tom Threepersons holster that you made for your dad.., does it have a welt? Red says (my interpretation) that the reason that the welt is important is to allow the holster to help retain the gun. See the photo in post 9 above. Unfortunately, this requires,sewing or lacing through multiple layers of leather.
Just a thought..... Anyway, welcome, and keep sharing your work with us!!
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Hi there. . .I am jeeps son and I am new to the forum. Thank you for the great comments. I have to say it is an absolute honor to have comments posted by red nichols. I have followed his work and love his design and history. All you guys out there should check out his site if you have not already, it is like holster porn.lol. anyhow, i 'll take any advice or suggestions I can get as I am just starting off in the holster hobby. Attached is a couple more 1911s I just finished.
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Good work Jeeps' son :-). This nearby thread shows what holster lacing really looks like:
IDAHO LEATHER
it's a kind of 'armour' for the seam, developed before we had sewing machines in USA, so in the 1880s. Done with rawhide to give incredible strength, there are no gaps in the finished seam, will last a hundred years ("No man ever outlived his Heiser holster" said their catalogues).
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Yes, gorgeous. I've long been interested that with John's No. 2, of which this EPS is a copy, he's long touted that he thereby 'invented' the first concealment holster for the 1911 -- yet not only was it not the first but it was mainly marketed as a field holster (with 2-1/4" wide belt slot to suit).
The strap on yours doesn't detract from the threepersons definition, not least because the original threepersons styles from Myres -- there were many -- several had straps, and the auto always had a strap. The No. 2 started out strapless and had a strap added to it within a decade or so.
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Here below left is an early, well worn, Myres Threepersons
with not only the safety strap, but also the hammer protector.
To the right it is shown hosting my model 67 Combat Masterpiece,
accessorized with a Sparks gunbelt and Benchmade knife.
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Here below left is an early, well worn, Myres Threepersons
with not only the safety strap, but also the hammer protector.
To the right it is shown hosting my model 67 Combat Masterpiece,
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Yes, but did Myres officially call it a Threepersons? He was quite selective about which ones were called Threepersons-Style Holsters though they included two shoulder holsters.
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Nice thread, and great looking holsters here
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It might have been a special order, or maybe turnerriver might
have it in one of his catalogs. Sure looks like a Threepersons
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El Paso Three Person knock off
Nice working holster ,it is lined and made pretty well. The Colt is a Frontier Sixshooter with blackpowder Frame made 1994 4-3/4", pocket knive Kleen Kutter muskrat with armadillo bone handle. Watch 1889 Elgin and ammo 205grn.44-40.
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Good picture of raw hide lacing on H.Heiser.
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Welcome to the forum!! You will probably love it here. Nice work that you have shown so far, although I'm far from being an authority on holsters, like Red Nichols, and some of the other guys like Crazyphil and Turnerriver. These guys know a lot about holsters and also have collected many thousands of dollars worth of the finest holsters.
One thing that I was curious about on the Tom Threepersons holster that you made for your dad.., does it have a welt? Red says (my interpretation) that the reason that the welt is important is to allow the holster to jell retain the gun. See the photo in post 9 above. Unfortunately, this requires,sewing or lacing through multiple layers of leather.
Just a thought..... Anyway, welcome, and keep sharing your work with us!!
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Thank you Les, to mention me in the same sentence as Red
Nichols and turnerriver is indeed a compliment. But those
2 guys are like PhDs in holsterology. I, on the other hand,
am but a student. And a kindergartner at that.
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The Myres catalog I have does indeed call the holster like Phil's a Threepersons and goes on to say they were only made for "SW & Colt revolvers". The only date reference for this particular catalog is a facsimile of a "thank you note" from Homer Garrison Jr. (Director Texas Dept. of Public Safety) which must've been issued from his (Garrison's) office on Feb. 9, 1944.
As a side note, the only holsters with reference to the Threepersons name are for revolvers. None of the holsters listed as being for automatics have any mention of Threepersons in their descriptions.
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With apologies to jeeps & lizardsausage, I had to chime in since two of my favorite subjects are good leather & Colt 38 autos.
Mine is actually a Super 38 vs. 38 Super, go figure. As Les mentioned, they were favored by the Rangers. Mine came by way of a retired DPS agent who claimed to have been taught to shoot an auto by the Lone Wolf. Sadly, the humidity along the border took its toll on mine.
But I digress, what I wanted to show was the EP holster I sometimes use it with. I was wondering if this was what Red was describing. Along with the trigger guard being encircled with leather, it also has an extra piece inside to hold everything tight.
When not in the El Paso, I carry it in the Eubanks model 820 that it came to me in.
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Bruce:
I learn (or in this case notice) something every day... My colt Commander does say "Colt Super 38 Auto" on the slide, barrel, and magazine. The ammo box says ".38 Super +P", so I was incorrectly calling it a 38 Super, when I guess the correct terminology would be Super .38.
Those are both beautiful holsters, and inspire me to keep my eyes open.
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Bruce:
I learn (or in this case notice) something every day... My colt Commander does say "Colt Super 38 Auto" on the slide, barrel, and magazine. The ammo box says ".38 Super +P", so I was incorrectly calling it a 38 Super, when I guess the correct terminology would be Super .38.
Those are both beautiful holsters, and inspire me to keep my eyes open.
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I suspect both are correct. Yours must be an older one. Mine is a Lightweight Commander from 1951. Not sure when they changed the nomenclature.
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But I digress, what I wanted to show was the EP holster I sometimes use it with. I was wondering if this was what Red was describing. Along with the trigger guard being encircled with leather, it also has an extra piece inside to hold everything tight.
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Yes this is the style that Myres sold as a Threepersons holster for the autos. That piece inside is not for tightness: look again, it holds the mag button off the inside of the holster. In this case it was considered very important because of the coverage created by it being a crossdraw, yet turnerriver has one of the more conventional right side carry with butt forward that includes it, too.
The style is normally found WITHOUT the piece so we can be assured it was not essential to its 'threepersons' function.
I use the identical piece, caught in the holster seam exactly as Myres did, for an entirely different reason and without knowing (then) that Myres had done it: I use it to force the grip outwards from the body. The guard being so thin, and the slide so thick, the natural tendency is for the holster to turn the grip inwards.
How about a view of the back of the holster?
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Thanks for the pictures
Hey Bruce thanks for the pictures. . .you never see pictures of the backs or inside of holsters in books or Internet. Those to pictures are a wealth of knowledge. Attached is a picture of a 6in peacemaker that I am working on. I am going to take the advice of the previous posts and lace it with rawhide, as soon as I can locate some.
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Hey Bruce thanks for the pictures. . .you never see pictures of the backs or inside of holsters in books or Internet. Those to pictures are a wealth of knowledge. Attached is a picture of a 6in peacemaker that I am working on. I am going to take the advice of the previous posts and lace it with rawhide, as soon as I can locate some.
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You are off to a great start. Anything I can do to help, just hollar. There is a wealth of holsters in this group and I suspect most would be willing to provide any photos or dimensions you ever need.
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That is going to be one really nice holster!! it would be really nice to show us pictures of how it progresses from here on. You would probably get expert advice from our distinguished roster of holster experts as well. I'm sure not an expert, but I can sure tell when I see something beautiful, and that design that you have there is beautiful.
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I suspect both are correct. Yours must be an older one. Mine is a Lightweight Commander from 1951. Not sure when they changed the nomenclature.
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I think they all are marked Super 38. Mine is a second year of production and is so marked.
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Still working on the peacemaker Texas jockstrap. I finished tooling and just did my antique application. Next neatsfoot oil, wax, sewing and final fitting. I am very happy with results this is my second one of this exact design and carving, except this one looks 10 percent better for some reason. I am going to attribute that to a bit more experience.
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I tried rawhide lacing. It broke halfway through, had to unlace and start over. It was worth the hassle. I seamed a bit bright in color , so I dyed it. . .not bad thanks for the advice. I looked at a lot of h.heisers online I am going to try to mimic his rawhide on my next one.
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Here, on the left below, is an example of Heiser lacing.
On the right, nobody does it better than Idaho Leather.
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