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For $30, it’s not a bad belt. Just not as still as I was hoping it would be.
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I was hoping that you were referencing a traditional Ranger leather belt that was enhanced for holster wear. Those look nice and all but frankly way too tactical for my use. Now, if it were an enhanced Ranger belt that was the traditional Ranger belt (leather, smaller tang of leather over overlapped full size, with brass buckle) I'd go for it in a heartbeat.
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Im gonna order one. Just need to pick a style. Plain. Creased, or distressed. What type you guys got that have one?
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sip, I took the creased, and with screws for the buckle attachment.
I see a comment about not being "stiff" enough.
If mine were any more stiff / rigid, it would be difficult to fold it enough to insert in close belt loops on cargo pants.
I'm very pleased with mine.
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I decided on the smooth black with screws. So I took half your advice.
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I personally like TrackLine, no holes in belt, has metal interior sandwiched in belt. Automatic adjustment and no sag. The belt is $59.00. Especially made for Carrying. I don't use it at any other time.
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I took the creased type to deflect as much as possible those on my sorry countenance.
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I personally like TrackLine, no holes in belt, has metal interior sandwiched in belt. Automatic adjustment and no sag. The belt is $59.00. Especially made for Carrying. I don't use it at any other time.
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Nice idea but the last time i looked they had this kinda disco look, not for me.
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How are supposed to keep track of how fat you are getting without being able to count belt holes???
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I've been going the other direction. Keep adding holes and bought new belts. Still, same idea
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Just got home and belt was at my door. Very impressed with it. Great quality and it’s rigid but doesn't feel like a coil of steel around my waist like some other gun belts I have tried. For 30 bucks you can’t go wrong with this belt.
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Yup, happy with mine too. Not as stiff as my AG but a very good belt for the money. Delivery was prompt and they were real easy to work with.
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So are these stiff enough to keep a G23 carried IWB from sagging? How about a 4566 OWB?
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I was hoping that you were referencing a traditional Ranger leather belt that was enhanced for holster wear. Those look nice and all but frankly way too tactical for my use. Now, if it were an enhanced Ranger belt that was the traditional Ranger belt (leather, smaller tang of leather over overlapped full size, with brass buckle) I'd go for it in a heartbeat.
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Take a look at Tucker Gunleather. He makes one.
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So are these stiff enough to keep a G23 carried IWB from sagging? How about a 4566 OWB?
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Any single piece leather belt WILL eventually sag over time. Just the nature of the material.
The only way to get a belt that won't sag overtime is to get one of the belts with steel/polymer inserts. Other than that, a double pieced leather belt without insert might last longer than the single piece belts.
I've had a Bullhide belt for about 2yrs, basically the same as this gun belt, single leather about 1/4" thick. My carry rig weighs a quarter under 3# and it has sagged my belt some in that time.
Next will be an insert belt, but these belts will serve their purpose for a good many years before wearing out.
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So are these stiff enough to keep a G23 carried IWB from sagging? How about a 4566 OWB?
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Been carrying a P99AS on mine with both a IWB single and double clip setup. No problems with sagging with either.
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$30 gun belt?
I used to get a 1-1/2”x1/4” one piece for $17.00 but that’s ended , the last couple started to sag with in a year of EDC.
Didn’t know if I could get better out of these or just spend the cash on a Bigfoot belt.
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Just got home and belt was at my door. Very impressed with it. Great quality and it’s rigid but doesn't feel like a coil of steel around my waist like some other gun belts I have tried. For 30 bucks you can’t go wrong with this belt.
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Yep. That looks just like the one's I've got. Not bad for the money at all.
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New models laminated with steel
Months ago, I tried one of their $30 belts. I can't pretend it is up to the level of my custom made belt but I was more than satisfied with the value.
They recently introduced a new model made of two leather strips with steel inside. I took a flyer and ordered one. When it arrived, I couldn't believe it actually had steel within but a magnet proved me wrong.
They've been doing promotions so I ordered a few more the other day. You might want to check them out.
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I jazzed mine up a bit with a 3 pc. buckle set.
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I have always liked Nocona Belts. Could be a sentimental thing as my dad always bought Nocona cowboy boots.
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I just ordered a regular natural tan one. $5 off, and free shipping! $25 shipped! I don't know how they can do that and stay in business.
I am looking forward to examining it in detail when it arrives.
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Saw your post Warren - for $25 and free shipping, it's worth a shot for me. Even if I never use it for CCW, I wear out a belt in a year or two anyway.
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Leather is usually offered by gauged weight, expressed as ounces, with one ounce equating to approx. 1/64" in thickness. Typically, hides (or sides, shoulders, backs, and other cuts) will be represented as a narrow weight range (such as 6/7 oz, 7/8 oz, 11/12 oz, etc) because there are natural variations within each hide or piece.
Leather can be processed through a splitter, reducing thickness to a closer tolerance range. This results in two or more resulting pieces, the outer layer being referred to as "top grain" and the others being "splits" (which are frequently processed for suede leather by a chrome tanning process). It would be a bit unusual to find split leather "top grain" (as suitable for belts or holsters) in weights greater than 7/8 oz, at or a bit under 1/8" thickness.
I remember trying to make single-layer belts from vegetable-tanned saddle skirting (typically 12 to 14 oz. weight, which equates to about 0.187" to 0.210" thickness). The problem that I ran into was that the leather thickness varied considerably within the same hide sections, so when cutting belt straps there was a noticeable variation in thickness at several points along the strap length. The result was invariably a strap with obvious points of greater or lesser strength and resilience. An occasional strap was obtained that made a superior one-layer belt, but the waste factor was high with most straps being sub-par.
I pretty much gave up on single-layer belts, developing a procedure that used two layers of leather cut as straps from whole sides, working on a diagonal from back to belly. The same dimensional differences were present, but by assembling the straps (cementing and stitching) with the back and belly ends reversed allowed me to make two-layer belts with much more uniform finished results. Also, cementing and stitching two straps into a single finished belt provides added strength and resistance to stretching in use, which I compare to the relative strength achieved with plywood (being laminations of multiple thin layers into a single product having far greater strength than any comparable single thickness of wood).
The belt is the foundation on which a carry rig is built. We should not expect any holster to perform to its potential without a solid belt as the foundation.
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Saw your post Warren - for $25 and free shipping, it's worth a shot for me. Even if I never use it for CCW, I wear out a belt in a year or two anyway.
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I like the one I bought. I screwed up & ordered it too big so I had to drill a couple of extra holes. I forgot that my pants are a size bigger cuz I carry IWB. I'm trying to loose weight so I hope to buy a new one in a couple of months.
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You guys (for the most part) talked me in to ordering a $30 belt just now. I went for the brown one with stitched edges. Also ordered a separate black buckle.
I have three 511 nylon gun belts.
Also have two RafterS belts I ordered years ago that have held up well. Both are two ply stitched. One is plain black...other is sharkskin.
This is the shark skin one.
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I pulled the trigger on one of the 30 Dollar Belts with the steel insert, that made it a 42 dollar belt delivered. I am very happy with it, I plan to use it for rough duty around the old rancho and home place.
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My $30 Belt arrived today. Seems to be good! I like it! Looks great, thick and stiff. I went for the optional stitching...nice and consistent.
Also ordered an extra black buckle.
Brass looking one works for now.
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The belt arrived in a timely manner, and I liked it so much I ordered another one right away, this time a stitched one in the same color (natural), and still the $5 off and free shipping. They measure exactly 1/4 inch thick, and seem to be tough as nails.
No steel insert needed for me; these are plenty stiff as-is.
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Or...
Desantis makes a reinforced leather belt line called the Econo that offers a few options at ~$30. I've been using them for the last year or so to hold up my daily carry M629 Deluxe, so they work.
https://www.desantisholster.com/belts/
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I'm actually wearing a DeSantis Econo right now. Not bad! Only downside is I've beaten the hell out of the hole I use most often. Otherwise it handles daily carry with an AIWB G26.
For my next belt, I'm thinking about trying out one of the infinitely-adjustable ratcheting belts, possibly not even leather. One hole is way too lose, the next one up is a smidge tight on really hot, active days. I commonly wind up with the G-Lock logo imprinted in reverse on my skin.
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I was recently looking for an everyday heavy work style belt and bought a belt made by Boston Leather at under that price point. Stitched, 3/16 thick, 1 1/2 wide. Made in the USA which is a big deal to me. I don't know if it would stand up to a full size 1911 like my Beltman belt. But I've been wearing it for a while, it's a really nice belt and it's holding up fine. Should last me quite awhile. Will definitely purchase another. Boston Leather 6582ST. Under $25 most places.
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I ordered a $30 gun belt. 1.5", steel reinforced, with an extra black buckle, it came to about $40 delivered. I have been losing some weight lately (more to go....lots more....), and it was time for a new belt.
It took about a week to come in.
I like it. It's not a double-thick Simply Rugged, but it's also less than 1/2 the price of the SR.
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I ordered a 2nd one...stitched black.
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Still love my $30 belt. I can’t wait until they start making ties.
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I ordered a $30 gun belt. 1.5", steel reinforced, with an extra black buckle, it came to about $40 delivered. I have been losing some weight lately (more to go....lots more....), and it was time for a new belt.
It took about a week to come in.
I like it. It's not a double-thick Simply Rugged, but it's also less than 1/2 the price of the SR.
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I realize this is an old thread but, thought I'd mention that I just ordered one of the $30 gun belts and noticed that my paypal payment went to Daltech Enterprises which is the same company that makes Daltech holsters. Just an FYI.
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I have yet to find a belt that did not have an internal stiffener of either kydex or steel that was worth bothering with for carrying a gun.
I wore Looper Kydex reinforced belts for years, but since they've been bought out, the rice increased and the quality decreased. I am currently wearing a Daltech Steel Core Bullbelt, and could not be happier.
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Still like mine. Bought one and then two more. Going to list one of them for sale soon only because I've lost some weight and it's too big now.
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Still like mine. Bought one and then two more. Going to list one of them for sale soon only because I've lost some weight and it's too big now.
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I have have one with the steel liner, and after a year of hard use it has held up very well.
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I used their belt for a year and was satisfied but upgraded to the metal core and that has made OWB carry a real pleasure.
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