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Came across this very nice leather IWB holster at an estate sale; anybody recognize the maker? There are no markings on it.



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I think it's the first IWB I have seen with a hammer protector.
Sorry, I don't have a clue who might have made it.
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I think it's the first IWB I have seen with a hammer protector.
Sorry, I don't have a clue who might have made it.
I agree with part of that -- I don't recognize the maker's handiwork.

Hammer protector's with IWB's began at least with Heiser in the '50s and of course were used on Gaylord's of the same era. What I think of as a slide guard, as on the O.P.'s holster (might be a distinction without an actual difference) I first saw on Gordon Davis' IWB in the '70s. Even the double loops for the belt precede Gordon (Heiser, Lawrence? Have a pic here somewhere, of 16,000), who is best known for designing all of Safariland's new range to replace JB's. in the mid-60s.

Holster I.D-heiser-witty-jpg the Heiser image is turnerriver's

Holster I.D-davis-2-jpg the Davis holster
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Thank you for that little holstery lesson Red. I have only been a student
for about 20 years, so I could write a book about what I don't know.

On a similar subject I read somewhere that Chic "invented" the covered
trigger guard? On the unusual holster thread I referred to the Crump
holster shown below marked Q37, and opined that it may have meant
Quantico 1937, and that Jelly Bryce was instructing at Quantico in 1937,
and that someone had written that Jelly had designed a holster with a
covered trigger guard. Do you have any holstery to add?
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Thank you for that little holstery lesson Red. I have only been a student
for about 20 years, so I could write a book about what I don't know.

On a similar subject I read somewhere that Chic "invented" the covered
trigger guard? On the unusual holster thread I referred to the Crump
holster shown below marked Q37, and opined that it may have meant
Quantico 1937, and that Jelly Bryce was instructing at Quantico in 1937,
and that someone had written that Jelly had designed a holster with a
covered trigger guard. Do you have any holstery to add?
What a fun question :-). Well, well before the Threepersons Style it was quite common to cover the full trigger guard and leave no cutout for the trigger -- think of Civil War flap holsters -- on both revolver and automatic holsters. Such as this one from Heiser's 1909 catalog (#13):

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So, maybe you're wondering who was the first to add a cover for the trigger and its guard on a Threepersons for a DA revolver, such as your Crump. It certainly wasn't Gaylord.

But it had appeared by '69 on a Seventrees for the automatic in a style that some consider to be a type of Threepersons (altho it quite literally was not, according to Sam Myres in '31):

Holster I.D-donihoo-2-jpg believe this image was supplied by Craig Smith :-)

Adding one to a Threepersons (so enclosing the hoop of the guard and leaving out a cutaway as Theodore did, or on a pancaked, doesn't count) was mainly a '90s kind of thing, into the present day when youngsters are aghast at the trigger being exposed. I'm sure someone would put their hand up to have been the first; certainly not me.
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In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I will continue to guess
that it was Jelly Bryce during, or prior to, 1937. Very weak circumstantial evidence obviously.

By the way, my foggy memory tells me that Chic's favorite quick draw revolver
was an H&R Sentinel .22 with a 3" barrel.
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Tried a couple of handguns for fit; Model 36 snubbie fits well. A PPK/S fits; a bit loose, but functional. Would anyone recommend a fair asking price; if I decide to sell? It appears to be a well made piece
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Based on some experience buying and selling I would say thirty bucks
shipped would be a fair price.
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I think it's the first IWB I have seen with a hammer protector.
Sorry, I don't have a clue who might have made it.
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Also just tried my 3913; excellent fit
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Excellent fits are not always easy to find. You better
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By the way, my foggy memory tells me that Chic's favorite quick draw revolver
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You'll kick yourself. Hi-Standard Sentinel.
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Safariland covered the trigger guard on their auto holsters in the 1967 catalog. Then, of course, there was the Berns-Martin Raider/Range auto holster and the Bianchi copy. 1966 date on this ad. Where'd I get that ...??

AND ... I whipped out my reproduction copy of Handgunner's Guide. Gaylord's "Commando" thumb snap holster for a 1911 is pictured with a covered trigger guard. 1960?


The connected straps on the OP's holster are unusual. I've seen that before, but where?
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Of course it was Hi-Standard. I said I was foggy.
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Safariland covered the trigger guard on their auto holsters in the 1967 catalog. Then, of course, there was the Berns-Martin Raider/Range auto holster and the Bianchi copy. 1966 date on this ad. Where'd I get that ...??

AND ... I whipped out my reproduction copy of Handgunner's Guide. Gaylord's "Commando" thumb snap holster for a 1911 is pictured with a covered trigger guard. 1960?


The connected straps on the OP's holster are unusual. I've seen that before, but where?
V good, and the Safarilands were top-of-mind in my thinking about Threepersons styles with added flaps to cover the trigger. We've chatted about Donihoo and about his connection with Seventrees; Donihoo of course is pictured in JB's early catalogs using a No. 2, which was the version without the cover.

The B-M is not apropos; burying the entire guard inside the holster is old-as. Turnerriver has sent along images of B-M's predecessor to the Raider, called the Range, and would be from the late 1930s. In addition to being constructed quite like a shotgun scabbard -- the seam we call a welt is sewn and the holster then shaped into a tube -- it's the first appearance of what were called 'sight rails'. Was able to get it into The Book :-).

Speaking of which, hope you like The Book; and I'll let you know that SG688 was its editor and improved its quality tremendously. Who knew two guys -- Witty and I -- could get so many things 'kinda right'. But we knew it needed a critical eye and our original editor having become unavailable, SG stepped into the breach and set it all straight.
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