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AIWB risks evaluated by John Lovell
Are you worried about appendix carry, afraid you'll shoot off your own family jewels? I was too.
"Racing stripes" are a story we've all heard in competitive shooting circles or at the range. But there are much worse risks, such as your femoral artery, and the risks exist with any carry position. It's the draw and re-holster that get ya.
John Lovell breaks it down, evaluating what parts of you are muzzled with various carry positions.
Is Appendix Carry Safe? - YouTube
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Great video. Just subscribed to the channel. But I’m still frady-scared to appendix carry.
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Back during the Quick Draw Craz, I saw two Blackhawks which had injured their owners.
When I saw these guns they were owned by two longtime friends who lived in different states.
Both guns were loaded with 357s and the gun guys were quick drawing and live firing .
Both guns prematurely discharged and shot down through the knee, resulting in amputation.
I was shocked when I heard the first telling in CO,
Then speechless when I heard it again in Miss!
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Back during the Quick Draw Craz, I saw two Blackhawks which had injured their owners.
When I saw these guns they were owned by two longtime friends who lived in different states.
Both guns were loaded with 357s and the gun guys were quick drawing and live firing .
Both guns prematurely discharged and shot down through the knee, resulting in amputation.
I was shocked when I heard the first telling in CO,
Then speechless when I heard it again in Miss!
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I caught the quick draw craze doing IPSC. That beep goes off and the timer starts. But my mentor was a cop with 900 men reporting to him, and he was strict.
Correct form first, then gradually work on speed later. Thousands of dry fires at home. Otherwise, hello ND, sooner or later. We had two at our range in one event. It happened to be cop day, and my mentor was livid with them.
I never had a ND. One DQ but the muzzle was safely downrange.
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Now, what has old Univibe been saying? AIWB violates the second rule of gun safety. Autoemasculation is the least of your worries. Put a 9mm through the femoral artery, and nothing can save you. You'll have about a minute to regret your carry option as your life-blood spurts away . . .
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Seriously?
"Warrior Poet Society" seems to be yet another self-annointed, experienced and well-qualified Youtube expert. It is amazing how much "intellect" can be broadcast by a couple of dudes with a camera and a "channel"... and seeking an audience." "Please remember to 'subscribe', 'like' and 'share'..."
I am not anti-appendix carry, but it isn't something I'd recommend to novices.
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"Warrior Poet Society" seems to be yet another self-annointed, experienced and well-qualified Youtube expert. It is amazing how much "intellect" can be broadcast by a couple of dudes with a camera and a "channel"... and seeking an audience." "Please remember to 'subscribe', 'like' and 'share'..."
I am not anti-appendix carry, but it isn't something I'd recommend to novices.
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You should check Lovell's background.
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You should check Lovell's background.
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Yup. I have. He obviously needs to be leading SEAL Teams. Of course, fluffy websites and solicitations for Patreon sponsorship may be more lucrative.
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Now, what has old Univibe been saying? AIWB violates the second rule of gun safety. Autoemasculation is the least of your worries. Put a 9mm through the femoral artery, and nothing can save you. You'll have about a minute to regret your carry option as your life-blood spurts away . . .
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In the video, Lovell uses a dowel in his barrel to show where the shot would go. Most of us men don't sit or stand with our thighs together. So the shot would pass harmlessly in most cases. If it hits your femoral, old Univibe is right. Very few minutes left in this world, unless your shooting buddy is a fireman, emt, etc, and acts quickly. Reach in there, pinch that artery off, and hold it all the way to the ER.
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Regardless of his qualifications, IMHO he overstates the risks of 3 and 4 o'clock carry and understates the risks of AIWB. I'm not at all opposed to AIWB, but I do think you need to be honest about it.
His 'muzzle rods' and diagrams are static and 2 dimensional, and he doesn't really adress where that muzzle is pointed when you're moving dynamically. Most 3/4 holsters angle the muzzle back, which may endanger your buttock, but isn't going to be anywhere near the femoral artery or other important parts. Even in his AIWB demo, it's clear the gun isn't doing what he's showing in his diagram...
He really glosses over sitting, where the 3/4 carry generally doesn't even flag your body, and AIWB is at it's worst.
I personally know of one AD in a 3 o'clock holster with a straight cant. It was kydex holster that pinched the trigger on a 1911, and the shooter neglected to re-engage the thumb safety after shooting a Glock most of the day. The shooter was standing and not moving when it happened. This occurred on a law enforcement range in the late 1990s. The .45 230g FMJ traveled through his right buttock, down the back of his thigh and lodged in the back of his knee. Nowhere near the femoral artery. Obviously a significant injury, but he recovered and returned to work.
Carry how you want, just make sure you understand the real risks/benefits, not just what a Youtube "personality" thinks about it...
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Thinking this through and weighing risks/benefits is critical, as you say. I agree with you entirely. It's also the purpose of my OP. I live in Texas, work church security, and saw that man lose his life, daughter crying, because he stood up to draw from 4pm on a drawn Shockwave 12g. I bet we all saw the video. Many mistakes led to his death, but with AIWB he could have drawn from seated and probably not be seen until he presented.
With my T1C AIWB rig, I did the dowel test myself and figure I would lose my right nut and damage my chair, if seated. But I already have plenty of kids. An AD would have to be a malfunction, pretty much impossible with modern weapons.
If it were an ND it would likely be on re-holstering or draw. Re-holstering indeed presents a serious risk. I re-holster by sight, with the butt tight against my belly. If an ND were on draw all bets are off as to where the bullet would go, because the muzzle moves around a lot. Add adrenaline and it's unpredictable. Practicing your clothing defeat/draw/present in the mirror, unchambered, is necessary. In IPSC we would also video each other in slowmo, then review later.
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I personally know of one AD in a 3 o'clock holster with a straight cant. It was kydex holster that pinched the trigger on a 1911, and the shooter neglected to re-engage the thumb safety after shooting a Glock most of the day. The shooter was standing and not moving when it happened. This occurred on a law enforcement range in the late 1990s. The .45 230g FMJ traveled through his right buttock, down the back of his thigh and lodged in the back of his knee. Nowhere near the femoral artery. Obviously a significant injury, but he recovered and returned to work.
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Interesting story. I'm curious as to what happened to the grip safety that is supposed to prevent this from happening with a 1911?
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While I haven’t watched this particular video, I frequently do watch videos in this vein. I do so not because I crave “expert” advice; I do so to hear the opinions of other people on subjects I’ve given some thought to. I’m a grown man, fully capable of making my own decisions, but—as we used to say in the Army—“None of us is as smart as all of us.”
I frequently carry appendix, but I do so with full knowledge that it poses risks that other methods of carry do not. I mitigate this risk by avoiding holstering; rather, I put the gun in Kydex holster first and *then* put it on my belt.
I believe in the Four Rules, but anyone who treats them as inviolable dogma is…well, just as wrong as someone who’d take the advice of a YouTube “expert” at face value.
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Interesting story. I'm curious as to what happened to the grip safety that is supposed to prevent this from happening with a 1911?
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The grip safety on a 1911 is naturally depressed when you have a firing grip, which you do when holstering.
Two factors contributed to this particular incident. The first, as I noted was the shooter failed to engage the thumb safety. This was actually an instructor course, and the shooter, who had carried a 1911 for years, was also working with a Glock during the course as we were just beginning to issue them and he wanted to gain experience with it. Switching back and forth, he neglected to engage the thumb safety on the 1911 before holstering.
The second issue was the holster itself, which was kydex. This was the early days of kydex, and most of the kydex holsters at that time used a molded in 'pinch' on the trigger guard to retain the gun. Unfortunately, the 1911 in question was a Gold Cup, which has a wider trigger than a standard 1911. Not the fault of the holster, which was designed for a 'normal' 1911, and an issue that had never been a problem because the thumb saftey had always been engaged. This time it wasn't, and the 'pinch' was enough to depress the wide Gold Cup trigger and cause the gun to discharge.
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The Bruce Nelson "forward of hip" position allows a seated draw with the muzzle to the outside of the leg. In clock terminology, about 2 o'clock.
Cooper made a mistake in describing Bruce as using the appendage position.
The photo is from an article by Bruce in 1980 in a long defunct publication.
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Are there any documented cases of a person carrying AIWB with a modern gun and Kydex holster designed for that gun shooting himself in the femoral artery or femur and dying?
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SNIP
...shooter, who had carried a 1911 for years, was also working with a Glock during the course as we were just beginning to issue them and he wanted to gain experience with it. Switching back and forth, he neglected to engage the thumb safety on the 1911 before holstering.
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I'm going offroad a little and certainly some of you will not agree with my policy. Some might even get mad. Here we go...
I'm not interested in gaining experience with any carry firearm I'm not planning to adopt. I dropped Glock and went Smith mainly on cost, considering both brands to be reliable and satisfactory. Austrian Glocks are inexpensive in yurrup where we lived for decades, but imported Smiths were pricey there. When we moved home to Texas, in the Trump slump, Smith prices were unbeatable...$225 for a Shield, for example.
The one word that describes my arms strategy is standardize. I've never carried any pistol other than a Glock or Smith MP. I want myself and my family to be completely familiar with the weapons we carry. I gather this victim was planning to switch to Glock. Mixing both at the range or using the same holster is something I would not do.
I take the time to hold and closely inspect other weapons, but I have no interest in firing or carrying them. Other guys show me their guns at the range and gee that's neat and God bless 'em, but I will stick with my standard weapons. My policy extends to choice of long and scatter guns as well as which calibers. We standardize on 22lr, 17hmr, 9mm, 223, 308, 12g.
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Are there any documented cases of a person carrying AIWB with a modern gun and Kydex holster designed for that gun shooting himself in the femoral artery and dying?
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Do you want to be the first?
Jeff Cooper adjures us to "Never point a firearm at anything you're not willing to destroy."
I'm not willing to destroy my genitals, my femur, or my femoral artery.
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Now, what has old Univibe been saying? AIWB violates the second rule of gun safety. Autoemasculation is the least of your worries. Put a 9mm through the femoral artery, and nothing can save you. You'll have about a minute to regret your carry option as your life-blood spurts away . . .
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Once all the appendix carriers bleed out and all.the revolver carriers get killed in gang attack shootouts because they ran out of ammo,all that will be left is the hip carrying hicap owners running and gunning, reloading on the move in John wick style shootouts. You will reign supreme.
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No ... I never worry about IWB discharges .
A shot fired with the muzzel inserted inside your waist band is going to hit something ... something important ... appendix or anywhere around the belt line ! So will a gun discharged in a belt (OWB) holster ...it will hit some part of you .
Learn to draw without pulling the trigger ...if you must , just pretend you have some common sense ...
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Knowledge is your friend. With the Glock, at least, there is no way it can "go off" without the trigger being pulled. Put it in your trigger covering IWB holster, tuck it in your pants and go forth with confidence that only understanding can give you.
Meanwhile, I'm going to look for my dead horse beating stick ...
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Are there any documented cases of a person carrying AIWB with a modern gun and Kydex holster designed for that gun shooting himself in the femoral artery or femur and dying?
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There's a 5 or 6 year old case where a young Dallas PD officer purchased a Glock sub-compact for off-duty carry and was practicing drawing and holstering at home using an inside front waist band holster. He shot himself and bled out in front of his wife and baby daughter. Very sad case. He also was a former military combat veteran so he had a lot of firearms training but it still happened. Again, a horrible loss.
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There's a 5 or 6 year old case where a young Dallas PD officer purchased a Glock sub-compact for off-duty carry and was practicing drawing and holstering at home using an inside front waist band holster. He shot himself and bled out in front of his wife and baby daughter. Very sad case. He also was a former military combat veteran so he had a lot of firearms training but it still happened. Again, a horrible loss.
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A sad tale.
But my question is why was he practicing drawing in his home with a loaded gun? And why was he practicing holstering at all?
There are a lot of things I’ll do casually. Holstering a loaded gun isn’t one of them. I’ll agree that AIWB carry poses risks that some other modes of carry do not (in fact, I’ve already said exactly this), but it appears where this gentleman’s holster was wasn’t the proximate cause of this disaster.
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Agreed, no fault of the holster or manner of carry.
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Just don't pull the trigger with the guns barrel in you holster or in your pants ...it's that simple ...
Common Sense says : Clear Leather / Pants ...then pull the trigger !
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Just don't pull the trigger with the guns barrel in you holster or in your pants ...it's that simple ...
Common Sense says : Clear Leather / Pants ...then pull the trigger !
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#2 Your TRIGGER FINGER that Cannot be allowed to touch the trigger or even be in the trigger guard until the firearm is pointed in a proper direction.
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The grip safety on a 1911 is naturally depressed when you have a firing grip, which you do when holstering.
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Many people do this, but not all.
It is very common that LE trained people put their thumb to the hammer/back of slide area of the handgun being holstered. This will engage the grip safety of a 1911. You can also feel it with a DA/SA auto or revolver if the trigger catches on something and is being drawn back.
It was what I was trained to do back in the DA/SA auto days.
It's just worthless with a Glock or many striker fired pistols. I am very particular when I have to holster a Glock (my G20 or duty G22). I am very deliberate when reholstering.
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Regardless of his qualifications, IMHO he overstates the risks of 3 and 4 o'clock carry and understates the risks of AIWB. I'm not at all opposed to AIWB, but I do think you need to be honest about it.
His 'muzzle rods' and diagrams are static and 2 dimensional, and he doesn't really adress where that muzzle is pointed when you're moving dynamically. Most 3/4 holsters angle the muzzle back, which may endanger your buttock, but isn't going to be anywhere near the femoral artery or other important parts. Even in his AIWB demo, it's clear the gun isn't doing what he's showing in his diagram...
He really glosses over sitting, where the 3/4 carry generally doesn't even flag your body, and AIWB is at it's worst.
Carry how you want, just make sure you understand the real risks/benefits, not just what a Youtube "personality" thinks about it...
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A fair and accurate synopsis of the video.
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Many people do this, but not all.
It is very common that LE trained people put their thumb to the hammer/back of slide area of the handgun being holstered. This will engage the grip safety of a 1911. You can also feel it with a DA/SA auto or revolver if the trigger catches on something and is being drawn back.
It was what I was trained to do back in the DA/SA auto days.
It's just worthless with a Glock or many striker fired pistols. I am very particular when I have to holster a Glock (my G20 or duty G22). I am very deliberate when reholstering.
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You’re absolutely right, but there is a fix for this problem.
The Glock I carry AIWB wears a Striker Control Device from Tau Development Group. It doesn’t inhibit normal function in the slightest, but placing your thumb on the backplate while holstering blocks the striker from moving in the event the trigger hangs on something.
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Just don't pull the trigger with the guns barrel in you holster or in your pants ...it's that simple ...
Common Sense says : Clear Leather / Pants ...then pull the trigger !
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That's all fine when you aren't under attack, but it's a fact that people lose fine muscle control when under stress. It's how the human nervous system is wired. People think they're Clint Eastwood but they're not. That's why I carry a DA 38 in a pocket.
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You’re absolutely right, but there is a fix for this problem.
The Glock I carry AIWB wears a Striker Control Device from Tau Development Group. It doesn’t inhibit normal function in the slightest, but placing your thumb on the backplate while holstering blocks the striker from moving in the event the trigger hangs on something.
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True, could do on my personal. Can't on the duty (policy re altering/customizing) though where it would be most useful...
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[QUOTE=Frailer;141330And why was he practicing holstering at all?
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Because after the "draw and shoot" sequence we think about and train for you have to do something with the gun, while still pumped with adrenaline. Reholstering needs to be second nature, wherever you wear the holster. Of course the practice should be done with an unloaded gun.
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This is a very interesting post full of good information on both sides.
I hope nobody minds if I put my 2 cents in.
I have been carrying a sidearm a long time. Mostly at the 3-4o’clock position.
I now carry AIWB, as I got older I found it harder to access and reholster my sidearm at the 3 and 4 o’clock position. OWB is hard for me to conceal, especially in the summer, because I am of thin stature.
I cannot see my holster when reholstering at 3-4. while I really don’t like Kydex holster they are the way to go for IWB. They stay open and make reholstering a lot safer in my opinion.
I holster my P365XL before I put it in my pants and take it out of my pants in the holster. If, God forbid, I have to use it putting it back in my holster will be easier with a Kydex holster and being able to see it.
AIWB is not for everyone and everyone should carry the way they want.
Carrying a side arm is dangerous, carry in a way that makes you the most comfortable. But once you decide stick with it and practice till it’s second nature.
As I said just my 2 cents, YMMV.
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Carrying a side arm is dangerous, carry in a way that makes you the most comfortable.
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I think that's the key. I'm probably can't change anyone's mind on here and I doubt they'll change mine.
We can all think of horror stories like people falling on their back and a *** holster causing spine damage, an arm injury keeping a holster in "whatever" o'clock being inaccessible, etc. But after having a family member LEO get into a struggle with someone over his duty weapon, I've thought about fighting with someone with my gun in appendix carry. That's not my primary concern, but one I don't remember hearing about.
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Someone once said, "In a gun fight, you want the gun pointed at the other guys *****, not yours."
That's what I think about AIWB carry.
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Oy vey.
I only carry in the waistband between my zipper and right front pocket. All the time. No belt.
I did this when I was working and made many draws in real life. When it was time to reholster I would pop the holster out with my left hand, put the gun in it, and then put the gun and holster back in place. Easy.
Its not rocket science fellas.
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Oy vey.
I only carry in the waistband between my zipper and right front pocket. All the time. No belt.
I did this when I was working and made many draws in real life. When it was time to reholster I would pop the holster out with my left hand, put the gun in it, and then put the gun and holster back in place. Easy.
Its not rocket science fellas.
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I think taking the holster off is the only truly safe way.
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I think taking the holster off is the only truly safe way.
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Another safe way is to holster slowly and carefully, with full view that nothing is blocking the holster (IOW, it is clear of any obstruction, best seen by looking straight down into the AIWB holster); finger off the trigger. Or even better, if you have a hammer down DA gun, with your firing side thumb on the hammer to feel if the trigger is pulling the hammer back from an obstruction. Have the holster bottom tipped away from your body as you holster, so if there is a ND the bullet misses the body. Easy to do with AIWB.
Once properly holstered in a safe, fitted holster, the gun cannot go off.
So drawing becomes the next potential danger point. But the trigger cannot move backwards to fire the gun while the gun is being drawn. Only when the trigger clears the holster can a negligent shooter get his finger on the trigger before pointing toward the target and possibly ND the gun. That’s a training/dry practice/timing issue which should be ingrained before carrying the gun with live rounds—in any carry position.
Follow these rules for any carry position and you will not shoot yourself. Skimp on training and practice, skimp on a substandard holster/belt/attachment rig; wear it in silly positions with no visibility for holstering and/or with the trigger unprotected, and you are not carrying safely.
If there are any reports of one using a modern/safe gun in a properly fitted/mounted holster AIWB shooting his privates or femoral, I haven’t seen them. There may be a few where the one responsible did not follow safety rules, was ignorant, negligent, or whatever, but such folks are going to hurt themselves somehow someway any way. It’s not the fault of the carry position.
I literally have six years under my belt AIWB, and I truly believe it is at least as safe, done properly, as any other carry position. It is not for everyone because people set up blocks in their minds and don’t truly investigate and try things new to them to make their own decisions, instead deciding based on incorrect internet lore, improper assumptions, and fear.
Here’s a recap (can’t get to the original story) of an officer who while holstering shot himself in the buttocks and died. Does this one instance mean that no one can safely holster a gun where he might shoot his buttocks? No, it doesn’t. It means this one person performed a negligent action and paid the ultimate price. Too bad, but there is more to the story as to how his negligence killed him. The same is true for Post #23, which also lack the link to the full article explaining what types of negligence contributed to this tragedy. Certainly practicing something new with a loaded gun rather than dry is a bad start.
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I'm not afraid to appendix carry my EDC choices. I will continue to carry IWB just before my hip bone.
My EDC weapon choice is a S&W model 3953 or a 4053, and both are DAO.
I will never carry a striker fired pistol AIWB even though I am very cautious holstering and drawing my weapon.
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Once all the appendix carriers bleed out and all.the revolver carriers get killed in gang attack shootouts because they ran out of ammo,all that will be left is the hip carrying hicap owners running and gunning, reloading on the move in John wick style shootouts. You will reign supreme.
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A real world example of Darwinian natural selection.
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Someone once said, "In a gun fight, you want the gun pointed at the other guys *****, not yours."
That's what I think about AIWB carry.
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Oy vey.
I only carry in the waistband between my zipper and right front pocket. All the time. No belt.
I did this when I was working and made many draws in real life. When it was time to reholster I would pop the holster out with my left hand, put the gun in it, and then put the gun and holster back in place. Easy.
Its not rocket science fellas.
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But what if you're left handed?? ??
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I say carry whichever way makes you happy, but AIWB isn't for me. I know my gun won't go off unless I pull the trigger, but I still won't point one at my head. It's perfectly safe unless I pull the trigger, but not something I choose to do.
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I carried a J Frame IWB/appendix for years but would never do that w/a modern striker fired auto, too light a trigger on most of them. I’ve p/u a few pounds in my middle 70s & rely on pocket holsters now.
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Cold weather and AIWB
We've had horrible cold down here in Texas. It durn near froze!
Another AIWB advantage is a warm gun when you draw it.
As you were.
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He’s an interesting character. I respect his background, and his general philosophy. Seems like a good young man. But I am not buying into AIWB no matter who suggests it. If the proverbial twenty bishops told me it was a good idea, I’d still pass.
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He’s an interesting character. I respect his background, and his general philosophy. Seems like a good young man. SNIP
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He has good videos on AR handling and sling uses. Those where quite helpful in training my kids. I also enjoy his philosophy on SA, and his concept of being the most dangerous man in the room, but not looking it.
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The whole you will shoot your junk off or bleed out from your femoral artery talking point is the same strategy the anti gunners use on how many people will die in the streets because it will be the wild west if concealed carry is legalized, and about as credible, I can only smile at these people and laugh a little inside due to their fear based fantasies and carry on with my day.
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I dont worry about it. Carried concealed at AIWB for years and still do, its the fastest draw fire position for me personally, with way less "telegraphing" the draw stroke. Hand goes for pocket area looks like to give up money and comes out blastin, in for the win.
That and having someone get that close to the jewels to grab my carry gun in a crowd is pretty much a nill thing, or getting outed by an anti-gunner bumping into my carry piece at a gathering or in a crowd is pretty much nill also
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I WILL NOT CARRY ANY STRIKER-FIRED GUN AIWB! I DO CARRY two DAO firearms AIWB; one is a 38 Special revolver the other a 9mm semi-auto. BOTH GUNS ARE HAMMER-FIRED. Specifically...
• S&W® M&P® BODYGUARD™ 38 SKU: 10062
• Ruger® LC9™ first-generation, circa 2011
YMMV; Regards...
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