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Old 12-04-2007, 09:37 PM
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If you go to this link: http://www.hanoverbrass.com/ , then OUR BUCKLES, then on to page 5, you'll see some orginal and reproduction snake buckles. Look for these numbers:

G-36 Snake Buckle
(Blockade Buckle)
circa 1861-1865



TG-36(A) Snake Belt Plate

Original dug Cold Harbor, Va.



TG-36C Snake Belt Plate



TG-36B Snake Belt Plate

original dug (Seven Days Battle, Cold Harbor, Va.)
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I don't know a date, but that's fine lookin' rig, Linda!
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Linda,see the referenced Forum thread for some information on Evaluators,Ltd.I have a S&W All Models circular dated 1959 with an Evaluators,Ltd. stamp on it & a copy of a US Navy field trial involving revolvers & Berns-Martin & Heiser holsters supplied by Evaluators dated June 1953(a copy provided to me by Rick Nahas-as Charlie Flick states in the referenced thread, he knows more about General Van Orden & Evaluators,Ltd. than anyone else I know).My guess is that your holster was made in the 1950's.
The rawhide thong on your holster was provided as a means to attach the holster to a standard US web pistol belt; I've seen this on a number of Berns-Martin holsters although I also have a B-M holster with a standard belt hook for use with a web belt.Looking at the photo of your holster & the one of John's 3 1/2" N frame holster,I noticed that the distance between the spring stitching & the top back of the holster enclosing the trigger guard is smaller on yours-I would guess that your holster fits a 3 1/2" or 4" K frame S&W or similar sized Colt revolver.You can measure the distance from the inside bottom edge of the cylinder impression to the bottom of the holster & get a good idea of the barrel length.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/for...04/m/419102978

Finally, here's a copy of an entry on a Knife Forum that has some information on General Van Orden, proprietor of Evaluators,Ltd.I found references to a General Van Orden all the way back to the War of 1812-Van Orden is a name long associated with our country's fighting forces.I can't vouch for the information below & have not corrected any errors in syntax,spelling or grammar.

" Wiggington Van Orden
Not a hard name to forget but a difficult one to find. Some time back I wrote an article for Knife World about the first pilot’s survival knives. Marbles played a big part in designing those knives, pre Jet Pilot knives, and their name for the knife was the Wiggington Van Orden Survival knife. I have tried for quite some time to place that name. Well I found him. An e-mail sent to Knife World was forwarded to me by the editor Mark Zalesky. He was Brigadier General Van Orden USMC Retired. It seems BG Van Orden designed this knife and had it sent to the Marine Corps for testing, it was denied. Not to be outdone it was placed into production and sent to the Navy test board and excepted! After the General retired he opened a small store in Virginia outside of the base and supplied young Marines with all the equipment they would need at the cheapest price possible. General Van Orden was very fond of his young Marines and very often they were indebt to him. He would not let them ship out without being fitted out properly even if they couldn’t afford it. Seems to me we could use a few more General Van Ordens today."

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This is a great thread. Turneriver-I'm always impressed with your vintage leather and your knowledge of the field. Here is my first Heiser Holster I found in Tulsa last year...


Here are a pair of Colt Officer's Target Models purchased at the same time in 1932 (22 cal and 38 special) along with their Boyt Sheepskin Rugs. The seller was seperating the two guns for sale and I made sure they stayed together .

This last shot is of a Heiser belt buckle that went to one of our own forum members along with a pre war outdoorsman. Notice the indian shooting an arrow on the lower left of the buckle...
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Regarding Evaluator's Ltd., in the early 1950's Mrs. Florence Van Orden, Gen. Van Orden's wife, suggested the name "Highway Patrolman" to S&W's Carl Hellstrom for the gun that evolved into the Model 28. She also worked at their store in Quantico, Va. As I recall, she was related to Carl Hellstrom or someone else in S&W management.
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Turnerriver,

Thanks John for narrowing down the time frame and the background info on Berns-Martin.

You're right about the size, it looks like it was made for the K-frame, somewhere between 3" to 4" length barrel.

VictoryLarry... that's a good looking Heiser holster.
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Larry,thanks or your comments. That's a very fine Heiser holster & the belt buckle is intriguing & unusual. Your pair of Colts are outstanding & the Boyt rugs are great as well. I run into a surprisingly large number of vintage holsters made for Colt Officers Models & Official Police revolvers.
Giz, your Calhoun City stamp & a similar Elberton, Ga. stamp are the standard Berns-Martin stamps; the Calhoun City stamp is the earlier one-roughly 1940's & '50's. The Evaluators stamp is a retailer's stamp-I find both Berns-Martin & Hieser made holsters with ther stamp, as well as some lesser quality holsters with the Evaluators "Quick Draw" or "FBI Quick Draw" stamps. Evaluators marked holsters have been of interest to me for some time-I pick them up when I find them, which isn't very often. Obviously, this is my kind of thread-keep 'em coming.

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John,

Great info on "Berns-Martin"... I'm glad you're here to keep us straigtened out!

Here's a pic of one I picked up at a local show for $5.00! The stamping on the backside is a little weak but you can make out the city, Elberton and Berns-Martin.

This little .38 S&W Terrier is really getting a work out with my pics. I really need to get some more snub noses..

The camera, off to the side, is a 1946-47 stainless steel "Micro 16" spy camera.

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Like John W., I pick up every B-M holster I run across. They were very innovative and ahead of their time. 1970-1980 era police breakfront holsters by Bianchi, Safety Speed, Hoyt, and other makers were direct descendants of the B-M holster design.
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:51 AM
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I know. I am a terrible photographer.
But I like to sho you some holsters from my collection.

This is my Uberti Schofield with a Holster made by Bert Lange.
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This is my Kitgun with his nice holster.
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Thuer.... great pics!

You've got some very good looking guns and beautiful tooled holsters!
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Pre War 38/44 Outdoorsman Ivory Targets and a Vintage Lawrence Holster



1st Gen Colt with a little Character, Holster maker Unknown, Marbles Stag Knife





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Dan, very, very nice! Good looking rigs! I really like the carved leather holsters.

Here's another pic...

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Very nice pictures, to say nothing about the revolvers, leather and great looking early Woodcraft.
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Below are holsters for my original 2nd Model American in 44 Russian made around 1873 ... (awaiting letter from Roy) and my original New Model #3 made in 1880.

I was browsing the web when I came across a fellow who has the forms to make fitted holsters for the old S&W old west sixguns, including the Schofield, the 2nd Model American with its 8" barrel, and the New Model #3. Well, I gave the fellow a call (Alan Soellner http://inthesmokymountains.com/old_west_leather_holster...s_and_knife_sheaths/ ). By the time the dust had cleared, I'd ordered holsters for both sixguns. Alan makes these great old cartridge sliders that carry six rounds and mount on the gunbelt, so I ordered one for 38-55/30-30 and another for 45-70. He also had a small supply of genuine Sambar Stag for knife handles. Well, I got to thinking about that. I don't really have a good hunting knife .... I've been making do for decades with a nice Buck fishing knife and various folding knives but I've been hankerin' after a nice Bowie knife and since I still had a bit more cash left, now was the time to do it. Bottom line, I also ordered one of his handmade Solingen steel bowie knives with a Sambar stag handle and sheath.

I had all leather ordered in the 'antique' finish, since I like to speed up the aged look a bit. I specified custom features for both holsters (Slim Jim with open toe for my 2nd American, and a single loop to fit my special order 6" barrel on the New Model #3). Both holsters fit my two sixguns perfectly.




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I believe this old soldier and unmarked holster went to Russia with the 339th Infantry after WWI.



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This S. D. Myers carved holster holds a prewar 38/44. The strap has been replaced with a heiser snap.



Lawrence is the creator of this Texas Jock Strap that holds a .455 Mk 2 type 2 S&W.


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.357 Magnum from 1954 with a Wells Fargo marked rig in the back ground.



With an early Bianchi below.

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Colt Cobra from 1953 with a Lawrence Challenger rig and a handmade IWB by Bob Chow of San Francisco.



A couple of M&Ps and the Cobra.



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Nickel plated GI bring back freom 42 with a much modified GI rig and an IWB from Bauer Bros.





A friend in Heiser Holster.



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A little Geo. Lawrence, 3 screw Rugers and a Colt and an S&W marked rig likely by Gould and Goodrich.



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That's a fine lookin' B-M rig, SRT.
How is it marked on the back--Calhoun City, MS or Elberton, GA?
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That's a fine lookin' B-M rig, SRT.
How is it marked on the back--Calhoun City, MS or Elberton, GA?
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Nice pics everyone and some good looking leather!

Here's another, a model 10-5 with 2" barrel:



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Colt SAA and a handmade rig from the 70s.





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Pre War Heavy Duty and a Pre model 28 both holster are of unknown makers



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Shot with CYBERSHOT at 2007-03-16

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Nicest P38 rig I've seen in a bit.

I'll toss in a Radom.



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This is an original S&W 2nd Model American Russian Model circa 1873 (awaiting letter from Roy) along with an original Winchester Model 1873 in 44 WCF.
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Couple more, some little ones and a 2nd mod HE .44 Spl ffrom Arkansas State penitentary..... ................
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Tipoc, very nice Radom! The original P38 that came in the bug's bunny holster was captured in a poker game at an airfield outside of Paris in early 1945. It was stored in that holster, much to it's disservice for 40 years before I acquired it. It was badly pitted byf43. The holster has now been home to a couple of byf43's and is currently home to an ac44
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Here's a pre model 32 Terrier with mother of pearl grips in a vintage tooled floral holster. The belt clip on the back of the holster is made by "Franz-Loc", patented in December of 1938.



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Terrific stuff here. Thanks, all.


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I had this one posted with a group of Luger pics in a thread in the Lounge.
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Walther PPK about 1937 as best I can recall.
32acp, NAZI police marked, two original magazines. The holster is Berlin maker marked.
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.44 & neat unmarked holster for 5 inch n frame...........
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An Early H. H. Heiser model 125 shoulder holster with a 1905 3rd Change 6" 38 special.


A shoulder holster made by A.H. Hardy with 4" model 67 S&W



Another later H H Heiser model 125 with S&W 1913 35 S&W auto pistol.

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This Fitz Special shipped to the Police Chief of Harlan KY. What's wrong with this picture?
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Wow! These vintage holsters really blow me away... Gorgeous!
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Kevin I think Jim nailed it. Great photo with great gowiths.
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In days of old pocket holsters were quite popular. In the days before Police openly carried many had special side pockets in their uniform pants that just fit a holster like this holding a .32 DA 4th.




Or this one with a 32 New Departure 3rd.

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Not old, but "classic".

My 22-4 in the Threepersons holster from EPSaddlery.
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Not all holsters were by famous makers or even very high quality. This unmarked shoulder Holster does what it needs to with this 38 DA fourth model.

Or this unbranded flap holster that obviously offers protection to the 5" M&P .38 special.

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Jim,

Nice pics of some great pocket holsters!

Thanks for sharing them!
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Yes folks...

It's yet another edition of Drool-O-Mania!

Nice stuff here.

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Idaho Leather Co. rig for a Colt DS, Cobra, Etc. and a no name for an M&P.



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This George Lawrence model 23 Inside Pant holster certainly shows some real quality with the leather covered spring clip. The gun is an early pre 40 centennial.
The Berns Martin Lighting was the first of the upsidedown shoulder holsters. Again the pre 40 Centennial is the gun.
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A hip pocket rig for a five shot revolver. As more states and localities banned open carry in the 1880s, the hip pocket holsters became popular. They ran from the 1880s till the 30s or so. This rig was attached to a button sewn onto the pants, or a coat pocket.



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WOW, that thing is backstitched just like I would sew fabric by hand!
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