Vintage steel & leather (pics)

digi-shots · #**101** 12-31-2007, 12:17 PM

Tipoc,

Very nice looking pocket holster. I've got a couple but have never seen one with bullet loops!

Nice find!

rayb · #**102** 01-01-2008, 06:09 PM

Not revolver, apologies, but still vintage (1942):

1942 Sears US Holster

1942 Kongsberg M1914 (Norwegian licensed version of Colt 1911) made while Norway was under German occupation

rayb

tipoc · #**103** 01-01-2008, 06:49 PM

A very desirable 1911 there.

tipoc

rayb · #**104** 01-01-2008, 08:59 PM

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A very desirable 1911 there.

Thank you. It has great personal meaning to me.

rayb

A10ACN · #**105** 01-02-2008, 06:29 AM

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Thank you. It has great personal meaning to me.

rayb

Is there more to this than just a good deal???

Stophel · #**106** 01-02-2008, 01:20 PM

Does that have the cool drop-down slide stop?

Buford57 · #**107** 01-02-2008, 07:00 PM

1951 Colt Cobra in Harry Ryskamp holster

1914 Erfurt Artillery Luger and Enger-Kress 44 holster in which it came from Europe

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A little backstory for anyone interested. My father-in-law brought the Luger back from WWII. He carried it, in that holster while working as a traveling salesman from 1947 until he passed it on to his daughter when she left home. I married her and convinced her to switch to a S&W Model 67. Several years later her dad was having trouble with a local character and didn't trust the (UGH!) Sterling .22 Auto he bought to replace the Luger. He went to a gun shop, where he found the Cobra, unfired after 30 years in the sock drawer of a retired State Police Lieutenant. He carried it until his death, at which point it became my BUG.

Wyatt Earp · #**108** 01-02-2008, 07:03 PM

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Thank you. It has great personal meaning to me.

rayb

Is there more to this than just a good deal???

A10ACN, I second that. Very, very interesting. Would love it if you could share more.

rayb · #**109** 01-02-2008, 07:08 PM

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Does that have the cool drop-down slide stop?

Yes it does, very cool, with a number.

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How about a photo of the left side?

Aw, its pretty much the same, with a few numbers stamped here and there.

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Is there more to this than just a good deal???

No deal. Gift from a friend +.

Thanks

rayb

digi-shots · #**110** 01-02-2008, 07:44 PM

Ithaca model 1911-A1 .45 ACP shipped July 30, 1944...

Deacon KC · #**111** 01-02-2008, 09:27 PM

Linda, I love that Ithaca!

digi-shots · #**112** 01-02-2008, 10:15 PM

Deacon, thanks! It's a pretty nice one.

I've got another .45 that I really need to photograph. I guess I'll have to "pose" it with some leather and other neat stuff. I'll have to see what I can find or borrow.

Back a while ago there was a thread started for "gun & knife".. and I had to go find knives! I've started to wise up and now put other objects with the pic so I don't have to re-take them later.

Linda

BruceHMX · #**113** 01-02-2008, 11:32 PM

Linda do you do the photos as a hobby or professional?

I have a few 38/44's, and other hard to find S&W's I would like to have photos of with accessories.

I'm in Fredericksburg. Feel free to mail me off line.

Thanks
Bruce

Win38-55 · #**114** 01-03-2008, 07:32 AM

Linda, your photos are outstanding. Have you considered putting together a calendar?

digi-shots · #**115** 01-03-2008, 09:47 AM

Thanks for all the kind words. I used to do some professional work quite a few years ago. I still enjoy playing around with a camera and the digital ones are a whole lot more fun... instant images no waiting for processing! Really haven't thought about a calendar, but it might be fun.

Here's another shot I took a month or so ago... not a Smith but a 1918 COLT .45 m1911. I picked up a couple of boxes of WWI ammo last summer while in Florida at a small gun shop.

The only "vintage leather" here is a WWI trench watch with vintage leather strap!

Muley Gil · #**116** 01-03-2008, 03:01 PM

Did that watch start out as a pocket watch or was it designed as a wristwatch?

rayb · #**117** 01-03-2008, 04:42 PM

+1 on a calendar

rayb

ladder13 · #**118** 01-03-2008, 05:25 PM

Victory V513xxx with Boyt 44 holster. The holster came with the gun.

digi-shots · #**119** 01-03-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Muley Gil:
Did that watch start out as a pocket watch or was it designed as a wristwatch?

Muley, it's an early (1915? or so) wristwatch.

Ladder 13, that's a nice looking NAVY holster!

Deacon KC · #**120** 01-03-2008, 09:15 PM

Linda +2 on the calendar request 2009 would be nice

jimgoldth · #**121** 01-04-2008, 08:00 AM

An interesting IWB very early. Note design of rivited on clip. The material is oilcloth. Gun of course is 3rd model new departure.

An Early Audley pocket holster Patant date Mar 8,1908. This does not have the famous trigger guard lock It could be worn on beltor in pocket. Gun is perwar M&P with wrong grips.

digi-shots · #**122** 01-04-2008, 09:05 AM

Jim,

WOW that is a very interesting IWB oilcloth holster. Any idea when it was made? It looks perfect with the 3rd model New Departure.

Great pics.. thanks for posting!

jimgoldth · #**123** 01-06-2008, 04:23 PM

A good question, Linda, I have seen a picture of another one and that owner said he had been told it was a S&W product but there is no mark so I would seriously doubt that it is S&W. Mine came with a New departure that I bought a number of years ago. I also bought a new departure in a leather purse but the leather was really far gone. The purse reminded me of J. Henry Fitzgerald telling of meeting a couple Federal Agents armed with Colt 1908 .25s in purses. After showing them that their mode of carry was extremely poor, one told Fitz that he really liked the gun but the sights were too small. Fitz told him that they had to be small so they would not hurt so much when they were shoved up his #$$.

digi-shots · #**124** 01-06-2008, 05:10 PM

Now that you mention it, I think Lefty posted sometime back with a holster that was "vulcanized" with a S&W logo on front. It looked similiar. Not sure what was on the back of it. I'll have to go back and see if I can find the thread.

turnerriver · #**125** 01-07-2008, 02:07 PM

Linda, Jim and others-the pocket holster you showed, Jim, was a popular design in the late 1800's. William LePage, a Canadian inventor, patented his "pocket pistol case" in April,1878.It was made of vulcanized rubber over canvas fabric. Smith & Wesson apparently did market such a holster-the 3rd edition of the SCSW says on page 374 "Reported possible specimens include...a small black rubberized canvas holster with nickel spring clip stamped in red print 'Smith & Wesson' with logo, sized for a .38 DA. Believed to have been made in the 1880's by Goodyear Products". I saw a specimen like the one described at the last SWCA show. Below are photos of 2 examples-the 2nd photo shows the "LePage's Pocket Pistol Case" stamp.LePage invented a number of glue products-I remember glass bottles of LePage's glue with a red rubber tip with a horizontal slit I used in elementary school.
Regards,
turnerriver
SWCA,CCA,NRA Life member

unmarked pocket holster

tipoc · #**126** 01-07-2008, 02:54 PM

In Richard Rattenbury's useful book, "Packing Iron", he gives a good deal of information on the early hip pocket holsters, patent's etc. There were a good many variations in the designs. Some featured spring clips, some buttons, hooks, etc. There are some that look as modern as any made by Bianchi or Safariland.

They became popular as more and more states and localities banned open carry or carry at all (in the early 1880s even Texas passed a statewide ban). This didn't stop folks of course. Small pocket guns became popular along with the pocket holster and the shoulder holster.

One if the earliest patentees was a G.W. Browne of New York.

Below is another variation stuffed with an M&P but originally likely made for a 6 shot S&W .38 top break.

I like the design of this type. One side of firm leather that does not print, the other fairly soft. Inside a coat pocket it could work quite well. Note that, on this particular rig, the loops for the belt would place the rig partially in and some out of a hip pocket. Pockets tended to be larger then today and a bit looser. Still this one would print unless a coat covered it some.

tipoc

David Kachel · #**127** 01-07-2008, 07:15 PM

This has got to be one of the best threads I've seen in a long time; bar none.

There's a book in here somewhere!

LSP 972 · #**128** 01-10-2008, 04:47 AM

What a marvelous thread.

I have to wonder, though... will there BE any gun guys down the road to marvel over and discuss the guns carried by MY generation of cops???

Revolver still ruled when I joined the profession in 1978, but today most of what you see is "combat tupperware"; quite serviceable, but hardly glamorous.

Then again, perhaps that was the perception of the grand old revolvers of yesteryear, too.

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2flints · #**129** 01-10-2008, 05:19 AM

What a great thread. I keep coming back to it and enjoy looking at the guns and especially the leather...PLEASE keep your photos active.

I'd hate to come back and see those boxes with the little red X that tells me the photo has been pulled! Maybe all of you should have a "free" photobucket account if you don't already!

Two Flints

Rikkn · #**130** 01-12-2008, 06:44 PM

Just got this combo, was worn by a wild west Dr. when he made his rounds on horseback. Cool gun ( .44 DA ), Awesome leather ( Audley Folsom ).

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whitecoyote · #**131** 08-01-2009, 06:05 PM

Spreewerk P38

U.S. Revolver Co.

phenson · #**132** 08-01-2009, 07:22 PM

I'm not sure what constitutes vintage, but the Highway Patrolman is as old as me, and the Black Hills Holster is going to be a classic. Holster was made by Rudy Lozano in Laredo, TX. Great work at a great price and only took a month.

45stops-em-quick · #**133** 08-01-2009, 09:47 PM

Love this thread, sorry I don't have anything to contribute, but keep em coming.

jsmith · #**134** 08-02-2009, 03:58 PM

Here is my S&W .45 Model 1917 U.S. Army service revolver. It came complete with the original U.S. Army flap holster and belt.

My posting for this gun can be found at this link on the forum:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-han...it-serial.html

jsmith

smitholdtimer · #**135** 08-02-2009, 04:40 PM

Handejector, looking at your threads under this topic I noticed that the photos are missing although there is residue from their remains, what is the deal? Am I the only one who is unable to see what he posted? Thanks

depicts · #**136** 08-02-2009, 05:07 PM

JSmith, does your 1917 have stocks with a varnish or clear coating of some sort? Mine does, and when I showed it to Roy Jinks he said the finish wasn't original, which is probably true. I'm just wondering if your stocks are sort of glossy too. Do you notice if the grips fit well, of if they are a bit "undersized", as if they have been sanded and refinished?

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Originally Posted by jsmith

Here is my S&W .45 Model 1917 U.S. Army service revolver. It came complete with the original U.S. Army flap holster and belt.

My posting for this gun can be found at this link on the forum:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-han...it-serial.html

jsmith

Combat · #**137** 08-02-2009, 06:01 PM

My little Lady in her vintage holster.

Kinda blurry,sorry.

jsmith · #**138** 08-02-2009, 08:19 PM

depicts - The finish on my grips appear to be original. They are not glossy or shiny at all. Just has the look of aged varnished wood. They fit my gun quite well. I remember this because it took me some time to get them off. The inside of my right grip still has traces of the original penciled serial number.

As for Roy Jinks, I'm waiting on my letter from him for my gun.

jsmith

jimgoldth · #**139** 08-04-2009, 10:07 PM

This 2nd model .455 Mark II Hand Ejector in a Colorado Saddelry Carved holster.

6GUNSONLY · #**140** 08-04-2009, 10:36 PM

Another non-S&W just for a change: 1960 Ruger flattop .357 and an older Safariland shuck.

epd925 · #**141** 08-05-2009, 05:45 PM

GREAT THREAD!

I've been lurking in the forum for awhile. As I was reading a post, I saw my hometown mentioned and had to do a doubld take. I am originally from and am a police officer in Elberton,GA. I would really like to know more information on Berns-Martin after it was brought here. Anyone know who the owner was. I wouldn't mind trying to find out and see if the person is still alive.

Also, I thought this would be a good thread to see if anyone knows where I can find a Jordan holster in rough out finish. I saw one a few months ago in a gun magazine that was made by Alfono's of Hollywood, but can't find anything close now.

Cyrano · #**142** 08-05-2009, 11:15 PM

Lee: Is that 'Tio' Sam Myers, of El Paso?

Linda: The MACV insignia and Vietnamese Captain's rank insignia sure bring back memories.

Zia's in Juarez, unfortunately has been closed for at least 20 years. They made great leather goods.

digi-shots · #**143** 08-06-2009, 12:52 AM

Here's a Webley in .455 caliber with a Sam Browne Belt and Holster...

Bell Charter Oak Holsters · #**144** 08-06-2009, 04:10 AM

Berns-Martin Floral Carved .45 Colt

jimgoldth · #**145** 08-13-2009, 09:19 PM

Roy Baker made his holsters with 3 belt loop cuts and were made a softer and rounder than normal and thus the name Pancake.

bsaride · #**146** 08-14-2009, 06:43 PM

Well, I made a quarter flap for my 1947 IJ.

And had Simply Rugged make the 21-4 holster.

I would like to see some M41 holsters!

bettis1 · #**147** 08-14-2009, 10:15 PM

S.D. Myres gift
Last Wednesday I was shamelessly showing off my 3.5" Dallas non-Reg. Mag. to a friend (previously posted ad nauseam on this forum). He quickly stated: "I have something that you must have for that".

Today he presented me with a beautiful "Tio Sam" holster which had been carried by a Dallas PD detective.

Here are a few quick cell phone pictures of the pair. The gun shipped in 1940 and I'm pretty sure that the holster is later. If any of you have an idea of the approximate date of the leather, I would appreciate you telling me.

I posted this in the Lounge section, however, I thought some here might also appreciate it.

Bob

handyman · #**148** 08-15-2009, 10:49 AM

How about one from each grandfather! With the original leather.

turnerriver · #**149** 08-15-2009, 11:29 AM

Bob, Myres holsters are not easy to date as there were few changes in many of their models over the years.The 3 catalog cuts below are from 1931,1941 & sometime during the 1950's.The photos used in the 1941 & 1950's catalog cuts were the same,in many cases.Your new holster is a Threepersons with kip lining, essentially a model 614 with lining.As the catalog cuts show,your holster could very well have been made around the same time as your .357.You have a fantastic rig there-thanks for sharing both the revolver & holster.
Regards,
turnerriver
John Witty

bettis1 · #**150** 08-15-2009, 11:57 AM

John,

Thanks so much for the old Myres catalog pages.

I have some leads on the holster that I am following up. The friend who gave it to me received it as a gift from a current Dallas officer. That officer received it from a retired officer and we are trying to see if that retiree can give us any info on the previous (1st?) owner. It's just a beautiful and excellent condition piece of art that has a long history with the DPD.

Bob