Newsmax network "I killed JFK"

[jrm53]

This was on Newsmax channel 223 early this morning from 1-2 am and I got up and burned a DVD of it, I dont know if any forum members get this on Dish Network but some times it has some thought provoking shows and this was one. The gist of it was a couple of mob type CIA members said they did it. One was James Files and his partner Nicoletti. He said they did it and he was on the grassy knoll behind the wooden fence, Nicoletti was some where else. Files was just as casual as if he was describing horse race. The thing that got me was his weapon a Rem. 221 Fireball singleshot XP-100 bolt action pistol with a scope. He stated the target looked about 20 feet away. Afterwards he put it in his briefcase and walked away normally like "a businessman returning from lunch" the guy came across as very believable and most of the FBI folks interviewed said he was always truthful. A little more info on the XP-100, Files just called it a "Fireball" I added the 221 but the weapon Files would have used would have been in 222 Rem, the designer said there was to much powder so he cut the 222 case shorter and re-necked it and renamed it a 221 fireball, the .222 had muzzle blast that was very loud. I had never heard it started life as a .222. Watch for this and watch if you can find this. Note if this thread seems offensive just delete it. Jeff

[TX-Dennis]

I spent some time in the early 80s with a crazy artist who turned out to be a wanted mob killer. He eventually was caught and sentenced to prison. Then he kidnapped the warden's wife and escaped. They were on the run together for several years. He was eventually caught and returned to prison where he wrote a book. In his book he claimed he was part of a secret US Army hit squad who killed JFK with help from CIA and LBJ.

Any way . . . like I said, the guy was nuts, but I kinda liked him at the time (scary thought, I know). He was quite a talented artist and sculptor, though. Now deceased, his name was Randolph Franklin Dial.

[holeshot123]

+1 for another conspiracy theory, time for the tinfoil hats?

[Warren Sear]

I can't think of one reason to doubt the veracity of a criminal's written or spoken word. Can you??? Case finally closed after all these years.

[Bajadoc]

Two things are limitless, the universe and man's gullibility. I have my doubts about the universe.

[shouldazagged]

Pure sheep dip.

[venomballistics]

I used to be on the newsmax mailing list till I got sick and tired of all the tinfoil hat adscams with 45 minute spiels that never got to the point and ended with "for $49.95"
if that's how they make their ad dollars, what credibility can remain?

[ordy]

Yet another conspiracy theory. Oswald, mob, CIA, Cuban hit team? Where does it end? IMO, the Warren commission was a joke and was a convenient way to deliver the cool-aid. I think Oswald was a dupe and who was really responsible for the JFK assassination will never be discovered. Fun to think about as new 'facts' come to the surface though.

[islamoradamark]

And one day we will be told the truth

[DWalt]

Originally Posted by islamoradamark

And one day we will be told the truth

Extremely unlikely.

[cussedemgun]

In 1992, Bonar Menninger copyrighted his book, "Mortal Error, The Shot that killed JFK"

In his book, he outlines the how & why of his investigation. He came to the conclusion the fatal shot was an "accidental discharge". His "probable scenario" seems to me to be the most believable.

No cloak & dagger, no international plots, or domestic conspiracy. just 'stuff' happens!

[wbraswell]

File this with the Mermaid programs. We were told the truth, in 1964....well at least most of it. Maybe....

[Arik]

Originally Posted by islamoradamark

And one day we will be told the truth

Originally Posted by DWalt

Extremely unlikely.

One day. It won't be told to "us" though. It will probably be like we today watch the History channel about such and such a ruler from 3000 years ago. ......

[finesse_r]

I have not seen the film, but this does not ring true to me for several reasons.

Always ask, who stood to benefit most? Unless you are dealing with a madman or serial killer this is the way you solve almost any major crime.

The key elements to any well planned assassination are misdirection, dissemination of massive amounts of contradictory misinformation, an obvious patsy or fall guy, immediate elimination of the actual shooters and low level loose ends, and the authority to cover up any details or mistakes by controlling the subsequent investigation.

When done properly, the top level guilty parties will never be found out, or at least will never be punished even if suspected. The ability to control all subsequent investigations is paramount in any very prominent assassination.

My guess is this guy is full of it as no shooter would have been left alive more than a few hours after such a high level political assassination. The shooters would have most likely been imported from abroad and killed very soon afterwards, unless the planners were idiots.

[NYlakesider]

Well ALL the many theories and the facts only get one thing right: JFK was shot!.

Anything more than that is debated by someone somewhere!

[redlevel]

Me and William of Ockham believe that LH Oswald, all on his own, shot and killed JFK. I have looked out that window, or the one right next to it. It wasn't a difficult shot. I have known 1,000 twelve year old kids who could have made that shot, using 94 Winchesters, old surplus Enfields, Mausers, various bolt action Springfields, and even a Carcano.

[THE PILGRIM]

According to the TV folks, what role did Oswald play , if any?
Did he or anybody else shoot the Carcano from the book depository?

[Old TexMex]

From the "Old TexMex Museum of Crime":

Interesting reading those old "hot off the presses" reports and quotes from witnesses...


...ol' Jacob Rubenstein....

[Jinglebob]

When people ask where I was when JFK was assassinated I tell them, "With my rifle in a book warehouse on Elm Street in Dallas".

[TX-Dennis]

I'm not sure about William, since he died many years before JFK did, but I believe that Oswald did it.

I also don't believe that the government is poisoning us with "chemtrails," that FEMA is building prisons and/or morgues inside the five closed WalMart stores, or that vaccines are being used by the government to make our kids less intelligent and easier to control.

People in the government just aren't that smart.

[DWalt]

The Cigarette Man shooting from a storm sewer drain did it.

[Jessie]

I don't know who did it for sure, but I do know Brian Williams was there and had an interview with them.

[cowart]

Originally Posted by jrm53

This was on Newsmax channel 223 early this morning

That show is actually from last year. You can view it on Youtube. Use the search string "i killed jfk newsmax".

[GatorFarmer]

Woody Harrelson...his father father was one of the tramps in Dallas that day, and can be seen in photos. Harrelson Sr. really was a hitman. He went to prison for the assassination of a Federal Judge. At one point the elder Mr. Harrelson admitted to a role in the JFK assassination but later right recanted.

While filming Natural Born Killers, Oliver Stone reportedly "directed" by yelling "Be your Dad Woody!" as advice.

[CajunBass]

Atlee this point...I don't really care anymore.

The only thing to get the channel changed quicker than the Kennedy assassination is anything to do with the Kardasheans.

[loknload]

They will never ever tell you who did it because to much money is being made from it! It's all about the money!

[loknload]

Sherlock Holmes,,,How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

I have read many books and watched many programs in regards, but I have to agree with the Bonar Menningers theory in his book Mortal Error! It just makes too much sense and I'm sure Mr. Holmes would have to agree!

[moosedog]

I will have to watch for that on my Dish. That stuff is always interesting even if not true.
What I have always considered suspcious is that the Warren Commission locked away all the evidence and files until the year 2017, knowing full well that most everyone involved would be gone.
Now that just doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe it's not because of who killed Kennedy, but during the investigation you have to know that many other classified and dark info was uncovered. Maybe next year we'll know exactly what happened.

[JohnHL]

I have reached the conclusion that the Kennedy assassination could only be the most brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed conspiracy in the history of mankind....

or it was a nutcase with a mail order rifle.

John

[NYlakesider]

Originally Posted by JohnHL

I have reached the conclusion that the Kennedy assassination could only be the most brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed conspiracy in the history of mankind....

or it was a nutcase with a mail order rifle.

John

You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.

[JohnHL]

Originally Posted by NYlakesider

You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.

I had considered that, but I dismissed that notion because any civilization that had mastered the intricacies of interstellar travel would have employed a more technologically advanced form of terminal lethality.

Now had he been shot with a GyroJet Pistol....

John

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by NYlakesider

You missed one biggie. I feel that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and the rest of the "we have been visited before" crew have a very good explanation of just what happened.

This assumes that a race capable of interstellar travel would give a rat's about a bunch of naked apes with a strong appetite for self annihilation. Develop warp drive just to mess with the inhabitants of backwards planets? That has to be the ultimate definition of wasted talent.

[ralph7]

Originally Posted by LVSteve

This assumes that a race capable of interstellar travel would give a rat's about a bunch of naked apes with a strong appetite for self annihilation. Develop warp drive just to mess with the inhabitants of backwards planets? That has to be the ultimate definition of wasted talent.

Maybe just comic relief.

[GaryS]

Judge Crater did it. Then Amelia Earhart flew him to Graceland on Elvis's jet. The smaller one, not the big Convair.

[THE PILGRIM]

The whole thing is just strange.
Like Oswald- he defected to the USSR. How many people have you ever heard of who did that?
Then he came back, got a menial job- the only kind he was qualified for.
The job was in a multistory building where the U.S. Prez would pass by real slow in an open car.
If that was in movie you wouldn't buy it!

[Watchdog]

The JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy among the CIA, the Mafia, and Howard Hughes.

Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.

The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.

They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.

The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.

The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.

The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.

J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.

Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.

The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.

It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.

In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.

Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.

Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".

Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.

I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.

That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.

[Old TexMex]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

The JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy among the CIA, the Mafia, and Howard Hughes.

Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.

The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.

They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.

The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.

The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.

The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.

J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.

Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.

The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.

It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.

In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.

Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.

Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".

Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.

I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.

That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.

On page 20 of the Houston post I included in my photo, I find a tiny article: about the Marcello brothers.....regarding the U.S. Government refusing to issue passports to the brothers. In the very same newspaper on the same day.

They were operating out of New Orleans.

Much later on,
The House Select Committee on Assassinations mentioned the connection.
In its investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the House Select Committee on Assassinations said that it recognized Jack Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald as a primary reason to suspect organized crime as possibly having involvement in the assassination.In its investigation, the HSCA noted the presence of "credible associations relating both Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby to figures having a relationship, albeit tenuous, with Marcello's crime family or organization." Their report stated: "The committee found that Marcello had the motive, means and opportunity to have President John F. Kennedy assassinated, though it was unable to establish direct evidence of Marcello's complicity.

LBJs history is whole 'nother "profile in something or other"

[DWalt]

"J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service."

For most of his tenure as FBI Director, J.Edgar persisted in denying even the existence of the "Mafia."

One other little known Hoover fact was that Hoover had been warned over three months in advance about the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor by Dusko Popov, the ace British MI6 triple agent (often considered to be the model for James Bond), but Hoover didn't believe it, and would not even give Popov an audience. From Wikipedia:

"In 1941, Popov was dispatched to the United States by the Abwehr to establish a new German network.[9] He was given ample funds and an intelligence questionnaire (a list of intelligence targets, later published as an appendix to J.C. Masterman's book The Double Cross System). Of the three typewritten pages of the questionnaire, one entire page was devoted to highly detailed questions about US defences at Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiian island of Oahu. He made contact with the FBI and explained what he had been asked to do. During a televised interview, Duško Popov related having informed the FBI on 12 August 1941, of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. For whatever reason, either the FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover did not report this fact to his superiors,[10] or they, for reasons of their own, took no action in regard to this apparent German interest in Pearl Harbor. Hoover had a distrust for Popov considering the fact that he was indeed a double agent. MI6 had given the FBI in New York a notice that he would have been showing up. Popov himself has said Hoover was quite suspicious and distrustful of him and, according to author William "Mole" Wood, when Hoover discovered Popov had taken a woman from New York to Florida, he threatened to have him arrested under the Mann Act if he did not leave the US immediately."

One of my more memorable life experiences was being in downtown Dallas during the assassination. But I was in the East end, not the West end, where the assassination occurred. And in fact I didn't even know Kennedy was in Dallas that day, until after the assassination.

[policerevolvercollector]

Every murder has a motive regardless of how irrational.

JFK had powerful enemies that were very capable of conceiving and executing his murder.

This recording is interesting:

YouTube

Despite the fact that I've made hundreds if not thousands of traffic stops in my 31 years of police work, it took listening to it a few times to catch what was wrong. It's what is NOT there.....

The officer makes a stop on a vehicle with no license plate. You never hear any verbal interaction between him and the driver. Distance between the vehicles might be a factor here. But, he never calls in anything else ( driver info etc.)and never goes "in service" after completion. Since the stop is based on lack of registration, there is nothing to prove that a stop ever really took place. What is the probability that your mike gets stuck "open" hampering all other radio traffic on your primary channel at the exact time the president is shot while you are on a stop that can't be verified?

[DWalt]

Originally Posted by policerevolvercollector

Every murder has a motive regardless of how irrational.

And there was no shortage of motives in this case. That's part of the JFK assassination mystery.

[model3sw]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

The JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy among the CIA, the Mafia, and Howard Hughes.

Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.

The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.

They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.

The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.

The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.

The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.

J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.

Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.

The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.

It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.

In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.

Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.

Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".

Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.

I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.

That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.

All well organized, believable and mostly factual while some is theory, I am in agreement 90+%. Howard Hughes ? I don't know, no matter how loony he became, but ask your self one question ...

WHO HAD THE MOST TO GAIN by JFK's death ?

This was no $12 rifle "hit" by the lone wacko gunman patsy of a fall guy. This was professionally organized at the highest levels. So many people give undue praise to the Mafia or "organized crime". There isn't one of them that could be the CEO or a major corporation or a rocket scientist ... which it would have taken to organize this execution. And think how good it had to be. They could not take a chance to hit Jackie or the entire free world would have been up in arms to have the First Lady and devout Catholic mother of two children executed on International TV.

Yes, I'm a conspiracy theorist on this. While JFK would never have been President without Frank & the boys pulling strings through Papa Joe (who played Frank like an old fiddle) in Chicago (where the phrase "vote early and vote often" originated), you have to admit when JFK got into office he was on the right track or doing a excellent imitation of being on the right track. Kennedy didn't cause the mob to lose $ in Cuba it was the Fidel's revolution that did that.

The mob had the right to expect a free ride because of favors given but it's JOE they would have taken for a ride, I think.

J. Edgar, could not stand anyone who tried to exert power over him or the FBI. There were a rumors that he left the "boys" alone because they had some serious blackmail on him, like him in a dress or some such. More stuff that can never be proven.

All these years later, old nobody, never accomplished anything or confirmed has-beens, near ready to die, step up to take responsibility for the most accurately organized professional "hit" in US History, in front of 100,000s of people present and another few million on TV and a few more 100s of millions who have watched, rewatched, analyzed, theorized, applied all sorts of "flexible" forensic science (I love that magic bullet theory). I'm no ballistics genius but that one is laughable.

It was no secret that LBJ hated JFK. LBJ was insulted and humiliated to be JFK's junior officer. LBJ was one of the deeply vested, tenured "good ole boys". JFK was just a New England snotty college punk and rich boot-legger's son. Nothing else. He was convinced to be JFK's running mate for "insurance" purposes.

All that happened and / or why it happened, how was or was not involved and all HALF CENTURY of hype that goes with it, is one of the biggest travesties in U.S. History. Nothing anyone should be proud of.

For 1000s of years, politics, money and power have tried (and succeeded at different times) to control most of the known world. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I remembered at 9 years old, it was like the end of the world. You could hear people crying and wailing for blocks around. Walking out in the street like zombies looking up at the night sky fearing the next thing would be a nuclear attack.

My father, a battle hardened, decorated WWII veteran cried. The only time I've ever seen that man cry in his entire life. He said, "they didn't kill the President, they didn't kill only one man ... they just killed everything that every American soldier ever fought to protect. They killed the U.S.A. and everything it stands for".

Et tu Brute ?

[HOUSTON RICK]

Well, after all this time, I have to confess...

[DWalt]

There were several ballistics mysteries never explained, at least to my knowledge. In addition to the "magic bullet" there was the strange mismatch between the bullets and the fired cases in Oswald's revolver, the inability to determine where the 6.5 Carcano ammunition ammo came from (not to mention that it was U. S. made, by Western, under a special government order after WWII), and the fact that it is virtually certain that Oswald never attempted to sight in the Carcano after he allegedly received it. Regarding the 6.5 ammunition, I once had a long conversation with a retired FBI special agent who was in the Dallas FBI office at the time of the assassination, and who was at Parkland Hospital when Kennedy died (he was the father of a friend, now deceased). He would never discuss what he knew about the case, even with his son, but he did tell me that the FBI did conduct an intensive investigation about the source of the ammunition, and drew a blank. And of course, that is entirely possible, and not necessarily evidence of a conspiracy.

[JSR III]

Let's see, assassination in Texas and a Texan becomes president, the motorcade route is changed at the last minute to turn off Main Street and head down Elm (under the book depository windows), the supposed shooter is gunned down at the police station by a local strip club owner with possible underworld ties, he then dies in jail before having a chance to talk.

I don't see any cause to think conspiracy here.

[Old TexMex]

The Zapruder films show the Presidents head and shoulders move, the First Lady react, and then at least a second later, the Presidents head explodes. Any view of that footage shows more than one round, more than one hit, at an interval.
But we see video all the time now that is ignored or denied, often within days. "What difference, at this point, does it make?" comes to mind.


What difference, indeed.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Old TexMex

The Zapruder films show the Presidents head and shoulders move, the First Lady react, and then at least a second later, the Presidents head explodes. Any view of that footage shows more than one round, more than one hit, at an interval.

Well, there was never any doubt that there were multiple shots fired. What's still being argued today is the direction the shots came from. The Warren Commission wanted us to believe that all shots came from the rear, while visual evidence seems to indicate a shot or shots came from the front as well.

There was an interesting (but mostly obscure) little film that came out in 1984. It was called Flashpoint, and starred Treat Williams and Kris Kristofferson as border patrol agents. They accidently stumble across a wrecked jeep buried in the desert. In the jeep are a skeleton, a scoped rifle, and a box full of cash.

The film was really pretty good, but sort of died at the box office.

[cowart]

Originally Posted by Old TexMex

The Zapruder films show the Presidents head and shoulders move, the First Lady react, and then at least a second later, the Presidents head explodes. Any view of that footage shows more than one round, more than one hit, at an interval.

There was little mystery about that after copies of the autopsy photos were obtained in 1991. The first shot went through the neck, the second shot was not a hit, the third shot was the head shot.

One thing that is seldom mentioned now is that the neck shot probably would have eventually been fatal also.

JFK Lancer: Autopsy Photos

[Old TexMex]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

Well, there was never any doubt that there were multiple shots fired. What's still being argued today is the direction the shots came from. The Warren Commission wanted us to believe that all shots came from the rear, while visual evidence seems to indicate a shot or shots came from the front as well.

There was an interesting (but mostly obscure) little film that came out in 1984. It was called Flashpoint, and starred Treat Williams and Kris Kristofferson as border patrol agents. They accidently stumble across a wrecked jeep buried in the desert. In the jeep are a skeleton, a scoped rifle, and a box full of cash.

The film was really pretty good, but sort of died at the box office.

That's right, I failed to note that the film appears to show the effect of the hits as being from very different directions.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by model3sw

It was no secret that LBJ hated JFK. LBJ was insulted and humiliated to be JFK's junior officer. LBJ was one of the deeply vested, tenured "good ole boys". JFK was just a New England snotty college punk and rich boot-legger's son. Nothing else. He was convinced to be JFK's running mate for "insurance" purposes.

Agreed. And I believe LBJ and Hoover were in cahoots together to some degree. Both of them had many reasons to hate the Kennedys, Bobby in particular. It's interesting to me that LBJ outlived Jack and Bobby. And also interesting that LBJ continued the Vietnam War, whereas Bobby Kennedy was determined to bring it to an end if he'd been elected president in '68. And there's no doubt in my mind he'd have received the nomination and been elected. He'd have soundly thrashed Richard Nixon.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, nor am I someone who sees boogey men lurking behind every bush. I simply don't believe the whole "lone gunman" scenario. There are just too many coincidences and too many players whose paths crossed.

I think John Kennedy was doomed after the Bay of Pigs. It was just a matter of time. He had angered too many of the wrong people at the wrong time.

I've tried to read the book by Jim Marrs, Crossfire, The Plot That Killed Kennedy...been trying to read it for years, but it's back to gathering dust on my bookshelves for a while. It's just so detailed and full of so much weirdness, that I haven't been able to plow through the whole thing yet.

I'm hoping I'll still be around in 2017, just to see what other things might be divulged from the hidden archives. If they haven't already been destroyed.

I wonder if the "Pristine Bullet" is still preserved as evidence. I wonder what the results might be if DNA tests were performed on it now? Would it show traces of Kennedy DNA, or would it be shown to have never been in contact with his body.

Worms will be crawling out of this can for generations to come.

[policerevolvercollector]

Originally Posted by WATCHDOG

The JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy among the CIA, the Mafia, and Howard Hughes.

Howard Hughes had a long-standing feud with the Kennedys, dating all the way back to old Joe Kennedy's forays into bootlegging and movie-making.

The Mafia despised JFK and his brother, Bobby. JFK because he wimped out on the Bay of Pigs invasion by refusing to authorize more air support, causing the invasion to fail. The Mafia had millions of dollars invested in Cuban casinos/resorts. When Castro took over, he "nationalized" all the casinos, depriving the Mafia of millions of dollars a day in profits. Mafia leaders, especially Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, believed that if Castro could be kicked out, they could reclaim their casinos and their profits from gambling and prostitution in Cuba.

They hated Bobby Kennedy because of his ongoing attempts to put Jimmy Hoffa in prison for illegal union practices and various forms of fraud. Hoffa generated a lot of revenue for organized crime bosses.

The Mafia had actually helped JFK in the election, especially in Virginia and Illinois. They felt betrayed when JFK turned Bobby loose on them again.

The CIA plotted against Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs. Kennedy began closing their training camps along the Alabama and Florida coasts and seizing all the CIA's arms, ammunition, and other local assets.

The Mafia funneled funds to the CIA in secret. Howard Hughes reportedly donated $250K towards the assassination through his mob contacts. Hughes was losing his mind and was in seclusion 99% of the time, but he still harbored his Kennedy hatred.

J. Edgar Hoover had wiretaps and recording devices in major mob hangouts. He heard rumors of the planned assassination, but deliberately did not warn the Kennedys and the Secret Service.

Bobby Kennedy did not try to indict mob leaders for the assassination because he'd found out that his father had been financing illegal high-interest loans through the Teamsters for decades, earning millions in tax-free income that was hidden in approximately 96 safe deposit boxes in Boston banks. He was warned by Hoffa's attorney that this information would be made public if he tried to tie organized crime bosses to his brother's assassination.

The men who killed Kennedy were a a French ex-paramilitary guy who shot from the book depository and a CIA contract employee who fired from the grassy knoll.

It was never planned that Oswald would even be arrested. He was to be killed by J. D. Tippit, a Dallas cop tied to right wing groups and the KKK. In the early sixties, the Dallas PD was full of right wing John Birchers and KKK members...Tippit was just the tip of the iceberg. And a lot of them hung out at Jack Ruby's strip club. Ruby was basically just a two-bit loan shark, but liked to brag about his mob "connections" and hang out with cops. But Oswald managed to kill Tippit instead. Ruby was forced to kill Oswald by any means possible because the Mafia and CIA threatened to kill his entire family if he didn't. Ruby was as much of a patsy as Oswald. He died in prison without ever talking.

In the film JFK, Clay Shaw and David Ferrie are portrayed as playing a part in the plot. They may have been involved on the fringe, gun running and stuff like that, but they weren't big players. Ferrie really was crazy. The film did get it right about Oswald being more or less recruited by Guy Bannister, though. Bannister had suffered four previous heart attacks. He died in 1964, supposedly of his fifth attack, but it was rumored that the CIA murdered him with an overdose of digitalis.

Will we ever know the truth? I doubt it. Only a handful of men knew the truth, and I think all of them are dead now. All the evidence is there, but no one's ever really put it together.

Years ago, there was a series that ran on TV, maybe the History Channel, maybe Discovery Channel, can't remember. The title of it is The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It ran for 13 episodes, and if I remember correctly, it was all documentary film and commentary...none of this play acting you see on today's historical "documentaries".

Anyway, in the thirteenth and final chapter, LBJ (who did not like the Kennedys at all) was the one who was blamed for giving the final go ahead for the assassination. This episode resulted in several lawsuits.

I don't know if there was any monetary resolution to the suits, but the thirteenth episode was pulled from all distribution outlets and never seen again. The series is still available on DVD...but without the LBJ episode. Try to find it...and good luck to you.

That's my take on the JFK assassination. I love this stuff. Does it sound improbable? Maybe so. Know what sounds improbable to me? A dweeb like Oswald making those shots with a mail order twelve-dollar bolt action piece of junk rifle from Klein's.

Just remember the old La Cosa Nostra adage: If you cut the head off, the body will die.