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Old 10-16-2009, 01:01 AM
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I had a close encounter with a cottonmouth yesterday. I was tooling through my yard about 20 yards from the treeline and seen him coming my way quick. I stopped and backed off but he kept coming. I went left, he followed suit. So, I pulled out my PM9 from my pocket and took two shots at him. Of course I missed, but at least it made him go the other way. So this morning I bought a Taurus Public Defender (smaller judge) so that I might actually be able to hit the damned things. It should be here by the next time i need to do lawn work.

I also went by Cabelas to get some snake boots. The only ones that fit, I have wide feet (and a wide ***), cost nearly $170 and were insulated. Any leads for a decent pair of snake boots that are available in wide widths, won't break the bank and won't bake my feet in the Louisiana heat?
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:37 AM
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Snake-proof gaitors, about $60, always worked for me and work pretty well for warding off brairs and weed eater clippings too.

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Snakes are hard to hit; I missed a rattler almsot at the tips of my toes three times with a Model 39. Cooked his goose with the subsequent shots. Now in snake country, I carry a revolver with the first chamber (at least) loaded with shot. Shot is supposed to do great things to snakes.
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I carry a Charter Arms (1980's model) Tracker snub 357 in easy access in back country. First two shots are CCI shot and then two 38 Special SWC...last is a 357 solid nose hard cast.

Some of the snakes I've ran across in east Texas...well, I don't think snake boots will work too well...maybe a kind of boot Iron Man would wear might.
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You are going to spend big money for Russell or Gokey snake boots. A lot of the guides in Texas are using Chippewa snake boots. A few of the Bass Pro Shops carry these, but they seem to be fairly common in the San Antonio area. The biggest problem is fit, and I am not talking about foot size. These are tall boots, and if you have a high instep, and/or thick calves, they are the devil to get on (and off), if not impossible. Most companies make a model that zips in the back. That solves the on/off issues, but they are not waterproof, which is somewhat of a detriment in swampy areas.
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I'm in the east TX woods a lot & just switched from my leather Gokeys to a light weight pair, zip up & waterproof I got at Bass Pro for I think less than $120.00. They are very comfortable. I'd sell my Gokeys...I think they're 11 EE.
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Don't waste precious ammo on those things!

A good shovel is all you need. Or hoe. Or machete. Or riding lawnmower.

I use a standard (not square) shovel. Works great, lasts long time, free to use.

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I had a close encounter with a cottonmouth yesterday. I was tooling through my yard about 20 yards from the treeline and seen him coming my way quick. I stopped and backed off but he kept coming. I went left, he followed suit. So, I pulled out my PM9 from my pocket and took two shots at him. Of course I missed, but at least it made him go the other way. So this morning I bought a Taurus Public Defender (smaller judge) so that I might actually be able to hit the damned things. It should be here by the next time i need to do lawn work.

I also went by Cabelas to get some snake boots. The only ones that fit, I have wide feet (and a wide ***), cost nearly $170 and were insulated. Any leads for a decent pair of snake boots that are available in wide widths, won't break the bank and won't bake my feet in the Louisiana heat?
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:08 PM
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Man, I don't care for cottonmouths. Too manyof them on the creeks I wandered in my youth.
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Check Midwest Tongs, I did business with them before and I was satisfied. Will buy there again...

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I bought a pair of Red Head brand Bayou zipper snake boots at Bass Pro last fall. The cost was around $100. The top of the boot comes up to just below the knee. The keep my feet warm and comfortable in winter, when the snakes are hibernating, and are not too uncomfortable to wear on hot days.

Whether the boots will stop a bite form a good size snake is something I haven’t found out yet.
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I am just about done carrying shot loads in my revolver. Twice now I have had them tie up my gun. Once about 40 years ago two guys hit and ran me. I boxed them up in a parking building and they purposely rammed my car a couple more times trying to shove me out of the way to flee. They locked themselves in the car and wouldnt come out. I stupidly hit a side window with my model 60 that had a shot load on top to either break their window or get their attention and open the door. The shot load sprung forward half in the barrel tieing the gun up. I didnt know it until the incident was over.
Then again last thursday on a RzR ride far in the boonies a doe ran out in front of me followed by her fawn. I hit the fawn and the poor thing had two busted front legs. I had to shoot it. Again, this time I was packing a M&P with a shot capsule on top. When I shot, again, the recoil tied up the gun again with this time the capsule sticking forward out of the side of the cylinder totally tying up the gun for a fast extra finishing shot. (this happened at night). A shot load sounds good on paper and I have some in 38/357, 44 and 45. I have carried them a lot through the years but I am now just going to carry a round or two in my pocket or ammo wallets.
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I'm pretty sure the OP bought his snake boots already and most likely dispatched the snake. His post was from 2009.
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Nope. I once killed a baby moccasin that'd evidently crawled up from a pipe or something. Two whacks from the butt of a No. 4 .303 rifle did him in, in a hallway. Never say that a .303 isn't enough gun for water moccasins.

All we could figure is that it must have gotten in through the drain in the bathtub, but how'd it get out of the tub?! Length was about ten inches. As far as we knew (I was married then) we didn't have any holes in the apartment walls that'd admit one.

But we killed a mouse or two there, and it may have gotten in however the mice did.

My wife was not amused. She hates snakes. We were afraid of the bathtub from then on, but had to risk it, of course. I should mention that the snake was in the bathroom when first seen, but in the hall outside the bath when I killed it.

For that and other reasons, we were happy to move when our lease was up.
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Don't waste precious ammo on those things!

A good shovel is all you need. Or hoe. Or machete. Or riding lawnmower.

I use a standard (not square) shovel. Works great, lasts long time, free to use.

People keep making posts like this, but how likely are you to have a hoe or shovel out in the woods when you need to kill a snake? A riding lawnmower?!! My son did recently shoot a copperhead off of his back fence with a pellet gun and his wife finished it with a hoe, but they were at home.

Two years ago, they had an Argentine guest and took him out to see their rural land. This guy is from Buenos Aires and not even very familiar with Argie snakes, which include some bad ones. He was a big city guy and seemed not to register Geoff's cautionary comments about looking out for snakes.

A water moccasin showed up and the visitor almost walked into it, despite Geoff pointing to it. He (my son) drew his Colt .45 auto and disposed of the snake, which took off after the first two bullets missed. It was on watery ground and half swimming when he finished it off. He chased it with bullets until he got in a couple of good hits. I think the ammo was Federal's 230 grain HST.

Skeeter Skelton once wrote that if you extend your arm with gun in hand, a rattlesnake will align his head on the gun. I guess he sees it as the object moving and thus the threat to him. You can then pull the trigger and probably pop him in the head. I don't know how far out the sensory pits on his head will detect the heat from a mammal, so he probably is aligning on the visual motion from your hand as you extend your arm. (Keep in mind that Skeeter was a terrific marksman.)

Has anyone tried this? Keep it in mind and see if it works. But don't get too close. Some snakes will go after you and they can move fast. And a coiled snake can strike at least two thirds of his body length, maybe more on a downhill slope.

Venomous snakebite is a very serious medical emergency.
And a hospital stay with antivenin treatment can cost $250,000. The last time we did a snake thread a few weeks ago, that was the figure quoted by, I think, Bear Bio. But I've seen similar very hefty sums cited in magazine articles.

And snakebite lingers. You may lose a limb or the effective use of it. One man who was bitten by a Green Mamba survived but said that his leg hurt so much years after that he'd scrape it with a knife or hold in his campfire! That leg also took a hit from a Boer's Mauser and a spear wound. This was in the early 1900's and he probably didn't get proper antivenin. I don't know when it was first used. The book where I read this is John Alfred Jordan's, "Elephants and Ivory" , should you be able to locate a copy. Mine isn't for sale.

Water moccasin venom is especially strong in necrotic (tissue killing) properties and you can easily lose a leg or arm from a bite. Some people do die, but lasting damage is more likely, and extreme pain. Some US snakes do have easily enough venom to kill an adult human.

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Go to you tube look up Pat Rogers Death on a Sunny Afternoon.

Pat Rogers tells about the day he saved Louis Awerbucks life from a bullet proof snake. Be warned adult language also Pat Rogers is from New York City you may need a translator....
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Go to you tube look up Pat Rogers Death on a Sunny Afternoon.

Pat Rogers tells about the day he saved Louis Awerbucks life from a bullet proof snake. Be warned adult language also Pat Rogers is from New York City you may need a translator....
I could understand him, but who is Pat Rogers? He seems like a blowhard. I knew who Louis Awerbuck was, to the degree that he was some sort of weapons trainer. I think he died recently?

I would have posted the link, but the Rules may preclude posting links that involve foul language.

So much for the idea that "they all fall to hardball". Awerbuck hit that snake several times at a range of maybe two feet, but it was Rogers's head hit that killed it. Snakes can be tough if not hit vitally. And if you listen to the video, Awerbuck was proned out to shoot the snake in its refuge. It would have bitten him in the head if Rogers hadn't killed it.

Where was Awerbuck from? Rogers's imitation of him and his pronunciation of his first name as "Louie" instead of Louis made me wonder if Awerbuck was European or South African. Some of you guys who have the time and money to take classes at those gunfighting schools like Gunsite probably knew Awerbuck?
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When I'm walking in the desert or woods I always have long stick that I use to aid in walking through rough country. If I happen up on a snake I use the stick to pick the snake up and move it out of the way. Trust me it's a lot easier to do this than shooting it with a hand gun. And cheaper too.
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Louis was in fact from SA originally, and yes, he died recently. He and Pat were friends for a long time, and taught together at Gunsite. Pat is opinionated, but he's earned the right to be based on his experiences (20 years NYPD, retired a Sgt.; a lot of time USMC/USMCR, retired W3; teaches a lot; studies a lot). He's probably top of the carbine instructors because of the huge amount of data points he brings to the table, and his ability to show what they mean - and certainly one of the top ones. He took my miserable skill level and made me functional with an AR.

More important, and back to the boots: quality costs. If I was going buy snake boots, with the obvious expectation I would be needing them, I would do the research to get the best quality I could, and to make sure that they fit well and were comfortable so that I would actually wear them. They are of little use in the closet at home.
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I did a little research on Awerbuck and heard his voice/accent; later found enough of a bio to confirm his origins and that he seems to have been a special forces soldier in South Africa prior to the change in government in the mid-1990's. That he'd immigrate here was probably a good idea.

I think I gleaned enough about him to guess the reasons for his death, the manner of it. As he seems to have had friends here, I won't post about that. The info is available if one looks. But ill health seems to have been the underlying cause.

I agree that snake boots or gaiters are probably a really good idea in certain areas. Coral snakes have short fangs and may not be able to pierce some normal shoes, but all the pit vipers probably can, if large enough. And most bites are probably on the ankle or above, anyway. A great many coral snake bites occur as a result of naïve people handling these colorful- but- deadly reptiles.

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When I was wade fishing I wore leggings made to stop sting rays---ought to work on snakes.
Brush hooks work wonders on the crawly things---from a safe distance.
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I stepped on a copperhead once in high grass while I was walking back to my truck after plinking with my .22 rifle. I had expended all of my ammo so I had to use the butt of the rifle to kill the snake. If I could have backed away I would have but I was right on top of the snake.
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I'm pretty sure the OP bought his snake boots already and most likely dispatched the snake. His post was from 2009.

I heard he made friends with the snake and can now walk his yard in Birkenstocks. Give peace a chance.
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i always try to look far enough ahead of me before i put my foot down and look 4 movement and i never put my hand in a dark opening
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Hey! They're having fun with this. Don't bother 'em!

I saw one of them even bought a new "snake gun" (the lawyer) and I wouldn't be surprised if another one is thinking about a new "spider gun."
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I saw one of them even bought a new "snake gun" (the lawyer) and I wouldn't be surprised if another one is thinking about a new "spider gun."
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My post was partly in jest...

But GOOD POINT, and I agree. One has to be prepared in snake country.

In 15 years of living in AZ I've run across many, I mean a lot, of rattlers hiking and I've never had to shoot one (or any other snake in the wild).

When I'm in their house, I go around or back up and wait a few. They go away.

In my house (backyard), they get the shovel. Snakes are territorial, and moving them does not always work. I've moved rattle snakes before and had them come back. Now, if one gets in the yard, they get the shovel.

Walking away does not cover all snake encounters, so please don't pile on too badly!


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People keep making posts like this, but how likely are you to have a hoe or shovel out in the woods when you need to kill a snake? A riding lawnmower?!! My son did recently shoot a copperhead off of his back fence with a pellet gun and his wife finished it with a hoe, but they were at home.

Two years ago, they had an Argentine guest and took him out to see their rural land. This guy is from Buenos Aires and not even very familiar with Argie snakes, which include some bad ones. He was a big city guy and seemed not to register Geoff's cautionary comments about looking out for snakes.

A water moccasin showed up and the visitor almost walked into it, despite Geoff pointing to it. He (my son) drew his Colt .45 auto and disposed of the snake, which took off after the first two bullets missed. It was on watery ground and half swimming when he finished it off. He chased it with bullets until he got in a couple of good hits. I think the ammo was Federal's 230 grain HST.

Skeeter Skelton once wrote that if you extend your arm with gun in hand, a rattlesnake will align his head on the gun. I guess he sees it as the object moving and thus the threat to him. You can then pull the trigger and probably pop him in the head. I don't know how far out the sensory pits on his head will detect the heat from a mammal, so he probably is aligning on the visual motion from your hand as you extend your arm. (Keep in mind that Skeeter was a terrific marksman.)

Has anyone tried this? Keep it in mind and see if it works. But don't get too close. Some snakes will go after you and they can move fast. And a coiled snake can strike at least two thirds of his body length, maybe more on a downhill slope.

Venomous snakebite is a very serious medical emergency.
And a hospital stay with antivenin treatment can cost $250,000. The last time we did a snake thread a few weeks ago, that was the figure quoted by, I think, Bear Bio. But I've seen similar very hefty sums cited in magazine articles.

And snakebite lingers. You may lose a limb or the effective use of it. One man who was bitten by a Green Mamba survived but said that his leg hurt so much years after that he'd scrape it with a knife or hold in his campfire! That leg also took a hit from a Boer's Mauser and a spear wound. This was in the early 1900's and he probably didn't get proper antivenin. I don't know when it was first used. The book where I read this is John Alfred Jordan's, "Elephants and Ivory" , should you be able to locate a copy. Mine isn't for sale.

Water moccasin venom is especially strong in necrotic (tissue killing) properties and you can easily lose a leg or arm from a bite. Some people do die, but lasting damage is more likely, and extreme pain. Some US snakes do have easily enough venom to kill an adult human.
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Skeeter Skelton once wrote that if you extend your arm with gun in hand, a rattlesnake will align his head on the gun. I guess he sees it as the object moving and thus the threat to him. You can then pull the trigger and probably pop him in the head. I don't know how far out the sensory pits on his head will detect the heat from a mammal, so he probably is aligning on the visual motion from your hand as you extend your arm. (Keep in mind that Skeeter was a terrific marksman.)

Has anyone tried this? Keep it in mind and see if it works. But don't get too close.
I first heard about this method from Boy's Life magazine back in the fifties. Yes it does work, and it is correct that the snake visually follows the end of the gun barrel, rather than sensing heat from a long distance.
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LOL... wow.

FYI... I do still carry that "snake gun" if I'm out in the swamps but I have learned quite a bit about snakes since. I kill the venomous ones I find in the vicinity of my house (yes, sometimes with a hoe or shovel) and I leave the nonvenomous one alone.

The first thing that I have discovered is the more we use our back yard the less we see snakes. The second thing is that I do my best to keep the grass cut quite low and I limit places for them to be (for example I have no landscape shrubbery or mulch and I have no raised structures. We've taught the kids to identify snakes and also to leave them alone regardless of the species.

It has also helped that we have a family of owls living in the woods near the house and we've had a bunch of armadillos around as well. They're a pain but they do eat snakes eggs I hear.

Anyway... I still haven't bought any snake boots as I also hear that good thick leather boots will foil a cottonmouth bite and I don't walk around too much in the water.
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Water Moccasins (not to be confused with banded water snake) are very territorial and can be quite aggressive. They will wiggle their tails in the leaves or grass doing a more than passable immitation of a rattler to get your attention, also they will put off a smell not unlike a split watermelon.

It is rare for one to leave an area, even if given the chance....the only snake I have encountered that will stand and fight rather than retreat.

TPWD now issues (or did for a while) Game Wardens their choice of Chippawa or Russell snake boots....Both of our local wardens wear them daily - spring,winter,summer, fall
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