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Old 10-30-2009, 09:08 AM
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Our daughter lives in Seaside Ca and experienced a break and entering by a, what discovered to be an illegal immigrant. He grabbed her Wii gaming system, a digital camera, computer and some high-end watches that belong to her boyfriend. A neighbor who saw something “suspicious” called the police and they arrested him taking a load to his vehicle. His accomplice bailed over the fence and fled. She now tells us that it will be 2-3 weeks before any form of a trial/hearing and her and her boyfriend’s belongings are now “evidence”. (I think that if she had been there she probable at the very least, would held him at gunpoint) Also that ICE is involved and the police have asked her to let it “go” and deport him. She says she feels violated, put is sorry a_s in jail for 2-3 years then deport him! She never liked illegals before but now, now has a serious hatred for them. Thank God for the neighbor who got involved, otherwise the big screen, laptop and her boyfriend’s computer would have been gone, and who knows what else! Guess they are going to take the neighbor out for dinner this weekend to show thanks. Her neighbor said that they didn’t need to do that but they insist because they really don’t know what else to do to say thank you! Thanks for “listening” guys and gals.
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Time for a security system too, so that she feels safer when she's inside the house.

Good thing she wasn't there.
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Time for a security system too, so that she feels safer when she's inside the house.

Good thing she wasn't there.
We have suggested that too!!Thanks
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(I think that if she had been there she probable at the very least, would held him at gunpoint)
Yes, this situation really sucks, but I think the universal response to holding someone at gunpoint is that it is a really bad idea from a legal standpoint, which actually sucks even worse!

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Glad at least one of the thieves got caught. A perfect example of what it means to be a good neighbor!
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Get a safe too- one of the 500 pound one will work.
Fill bottom with 300-400 pounds of lead or cut off railroad rails if you cant bolt it down.
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In California that's called Burglary, 459P.C. (Penal Code). That's good, it's a felony...Bad because he is an illegal. California jails are overcrowded now. So here is what will happen.

DA makes deal with Public Defender that if Suspect waives his rights to a speedy trail, He will get turned over to the feds for deportation. After he leaves, DA drops charges because of Federal Jurisdiction.

Daughter will get her stuff back after he is deported. FACT is the Law Dawgs don't need to keep the stuff for evidence as it was not used in any other crime.

What are they doing with it? Checking the Serial Numbers to see if it was reported stolen some place else. Is it right? No, but that's the system.

If I was her, I would hire a Attorney, get a writ, serve it upon the PD for return of her stuff.


We all need to stop being Victims of the system...Sorry I will get off soap box.

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buy her an extra box of ammo for her home protection gun too!
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Hmmm... With an issue like this, I'd side with letting it go and just letting ICE deport the guy. While those who are present in our country without authorization and commit felonies probably should be force to serve out their punishment prior to deportation, I hate to see tax dollars used to feed, clothe, medicate, shelter, and entertain someone in the local cross-bar hotel over a misdemeanor. Locking this guy up will equate also punishing your daughter and her neighbors by wasting tax dollars to house the guy over a misdeminor before sending him back to his home country. Just give him the boot and be done with it.

Edit: I see Kid points out this would actually be a felony. Still, I'd say just give him the boot in this case. No sense wasting tax-payer dollars to jail the guy in local lockup IMO.

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Cut off one of his hands and then send him back to whatever hellhole that he came from. Send a message along with him.
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If you let them simply deport this miscreant he will undoubtedly comeback across the border. Seaside is not a border town so he had come a ways north to ply his trade, burglary. He may in fact be a murderer or a rapist and simply did not get the opportunity to prove it here. We know he is felon and will commit crimes again. Why on earth would anyone advocate turning this animal loose??? In the mean time he is bragging to every other would be illegal about how he got away with his crime which will serve to encourage others to do the same thing.

No, I don't like my tax dollars spent on incarcerating any felons, legal or illegal, but prison is where they belong. Until you can waive your magic wand and eliminate crime we need to lock up these animals and throw away the damned key!
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Glad no one was hurt and grateful for good neighbors.

When people like this are deported, where do they "deport" them. Are they just taken to the border and released? If that is the case, this person could be back in the neighborhood within days.

I say lock 'em up. The state should be billing the countries of origin of these felons incarceration.
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Cut off one of his hands and then send him back to whatever hellhole that he came from. Send a message along with him.

Seems like a reasonable response, but it won't happen before Sharia is the law of the land. Capt Steve also has a reasonable response, as does rondo, but almost as unlikely. At least in CA, it seems that government is more the problem than the answer, even it it seems a little odd for someone with a MA address to be saying so.

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Old 10-30-2009, 12:10 PM
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When I was liveing at lancaster calif in the 80s I had a very close friend whos son was driveing to his wedding rehearsal. He got T-boned and was killed by a drunk illegal. We buried him on what was to be his wedding day! The illegal got bail and beat it back to mexico.
Some years later he snuck back and killed someone else drunk driveing again! My buddy had a lot to say at his trial!
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I hail from the belly of the best, have all my life. I've had two instances where illegal aliens have broken into my house. Once in San Jose and once in Napa. Fun stuff.

Tell her to get a security system, safe and a big dog. Or the best option, move to a better state.
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This is the famous catch-and-release, he will be back. What’s the penalty? Free meals, nice treatment a trip to the border?
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:27 PM
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Yes, deport him... Because we all know if he got here once illegally, he surely won't do it again...
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Depends on where the guy is from. ICE will ship him back to his home country. Alot of folks are refering to "the border" but that only applies to those from Mexico who are not authorized to be in-country. Not all deportees are dropped off in Mexico - only those from Mexico. There are tons of folks from numerous countries that are here without authorization.

ICE has also begun deportation flight to Mexico City (and somewhere else in the country that I don't recall) for those deportees who are from Mexico. This makes it a little harder for the quick return.
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Does she have a legally owned gun.....in California????

The police are keeping the evidence right now because they are not done inspecting it. You know, making sure the games still work, and that nothing was damaged in the commission of the crime. I wouldn't doubt they are coming in early or staying late on their own time do insure that when the game system is returned it can be certified to be in operable condition. She'll get it back when the next Wii comes in to the evidence locker. You can hardly find those things in stores.
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My son spent some time at the Santa Clara County Jail in California, and he told me that about half the inmates were illegal aliens. Because of political correctness, no one was supposed to ask them if they were legal residents. After they do their time, these criminals are let back out on the streets to victimize us again. Read my mind, because the language I want to use is not allowed on this forum.

Years ago I came up with an idea to deal with these criminals and save the state a lot of money. I proposed that illegal aliens who commit felonies and anyone committing a gang-related crime be sent out of state to a penal system that would cost the state less money. I proposed Russia. Surprisingly, someone in a previous Democratic administration thought it was not a bad idea. He went to the Russian Embassy in Washington DC and asked what they thought about the idea and how much they would charge to board our criminals. The Embassy thought about $150 a month per inmate would be a fair price, but the inmate would be subject to Russian law. In a Russian prison, inmates are expected to work. They don't play basketball, they don't lift weights in the gym, and they don't sit on their butts in the library reading books. For food, they get watery fish soup, sometimes with a little rice, and a piece of stale bread. They also get a lot of fresh air and snow, so it is almost like a winter vacation at a fat farm. According to my son, a lot of inmates in the local jail sure could stand to lose a lot of weight. If an inmate escapes, he is hunted down and his body is brought back to the prison as an example for any other inmates that may have ideas of leaving the prison early. I think it is a good idea, the Russian Embassy was not opposed to the idea, it would save the State of California a lot of money, and I would expect that a large segment of California society would be either behaving themselves or getting the heck out of town.

I had another idea for these criminals inspired by a certain Romanian national hero named Vlad Tepis or Vlad Dracol. It involved a sharp pointed stick, but some people said we can't do that anymore.
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My son spent some time at the Santa Clara County Jail in California, and he told me that about half the inmates were illegal aliens. Because of political correctness, no one was supposed to ask them if they were legal residents. After they do their time, these criminals are let back out on the streets to victimize us again. Read my mind, because the language I want to use is not allowed on this forum.

Years ago I came up with an idea to deal with these criminals and save the state a lot of money. I proposed that illegal aliens who commit felonies and anyone committing a gang-related crime be sent out of state to a penal system that would cost the state less money. I proposed Russia. Surprisingly, someone in a previous Democratic administration thought it was not a bad idea. He went to the Russian Embassy in Washington DC and asked what they thought about the idea and how much they would charge to board our criminals. The Embassy thought about $150 a month per inmate would be a fair price, but the inmate would be subject to Russian law. In a Russian prison, inmates are expected to work. They don't play basketball, they don't lift weights in the gym, and they don't sit on their butts in the library reading books. For food, they get watery fish soup, sometimes with a little rice, and a piece of stale bread. They also get a lot of fresh air and snow, so it is almost like a winter vacation at a fat farm. According to my son, a lot of inmates in the local jail sure could stand to lose a lot of weight. If an inmate escapes, he is hunted down and his body is brought back to the prison as an example for any other inmates that may have ideas of leaving the prison early. I think it is a good idea, the Russian Embassy was not opposed to the idea, it would save the State of California a lot of money, and I would expect that a large segment of California society would be either behaving themselves or getting the heck out of town.

I had another idea for these criminals inspired by a certain Romanian national hero named Vlad Tepis or Vlad Dracol. It involved a sharp pointed stick, but some people said we can't do that anymore.
For higher offenses? I like this idea.
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I have a suggestion about the property in evidence.

In our State, and others, (but I am not a lawyer in California-just Florida and some Federal Courts) the evidence code permits photographs of stolen property to be admitted in any proceeding just as if it was the actual articles.

I suggest a phone call to the Prosecutor assigned to the case to ask if photos would be sufficient for their purposes.

Here, we routinely called the various police agencies and had them photograph stolen property so it could be returned to the victims.

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The truth is that even if she drops the charges and lets ICE have him there is nothing hindering him from reentering one he is deported.
There is supposedly a statue that causes him a serious federal felony conviction if he is caught in the US after being deported. He is supposed to be sentenced to Federal Prison time, but it does not always happen.
One it was determined that he is illegal ICE is supposed to put a detainer on him so that he is remanded to Federal Custody id the State of CA releases him for any reason. I can vouch for that not always working as these slugs have fallen through the cracks more than once.
If it were me I would cause as much grief for him before he is sent home to reenter elsewhere.
California is probably going to just let him slide as there was no injury to an individual. And ICE will just parade him in front of an Immigration Judge and he will be deported and returned to a Mexican port of entry. Then he may or may not be back before the ink is dry on the paperwork.
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Just an update on our daughter's robbery. They finally "sentenced" him and he got two years felony probation.Guess basically they are going to deport him and if he is "caught" here in the U.S. in the next two years they toss him in jail.They finally got there stolen items back, the DA told them it was "more effective" to have actual items there than pictures.Man you just gotta love our judicial system.Hey everyone have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year.(yeh i know thats not PC).
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Time for a security system too, so that she feels safer when she's inside the house.

Good thing she wasn't there.


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Glad nobody got hurt. But the way the libs are trying to legalize them all, it's best if it doesn't get swept under the rug. Have a felony B&E on his record so he can't be here legaly if they do get their way.
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The police are keeping the evidence right now because they are not done inspecting it. You know, making sure the games still work, and that nothing was damaged in the commission of the crime. I wouldn't doubt they are coming in early or staying late on their own time do insure that when the game system is returned it can be certified to be in operable condition. She'll get it back when the next Wii comes in to the evidence locker. You can hardly find those things in stores.

evident you have never worked in a legal system or have any knowledge as to property/evidence rooms
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I have a suggestion about the property in evidence.

In our State, and others, (but I am not a lawyer in California-just Florida and some Federal Courts) the evidence code permits photographs of stolen property to be admitted in any proceeding just as if it was the actual articles.

I suggest a phone call to the Prosecutor assigned to the case to ask if photos would be sufficient for their purposes.

Here, we routinely called the various police agencies and had them photograph stolen property so it could be returned to the victims.

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a good practice...and one that is used here in va.it's NOT a police call however and must be approved from the commonwealth attorney's office...as you know to many case's have been lost where property has been prematurely returned and thus "tainted"
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In California that's called Burglary, 459P.C. (Penal Code). That's good, it's a felony...Bad because he is an illegal. California jails are overcrowded now. So here is what will happen.

DA makes deal with Public Defender that if Suspect waives his rights to a speedy trail, He will get turned over to the feds for deportation. After he leaves, DA drops charges because of Federal Jurisdiction.

Daughter will get her stuff back after he is deported. FACT is the Law Dawgs don't need to keep the stuff for evidence as it was not used in any other crime.

What are they doing with it? Checking the Serial Numbers to see if it was reported stolen some place else. Is it right? No, but that's the system.

If I was her, I would hire a Attorney, get a writ, serve it upon the PD for return of her stuff.


We all need to stop being Victims of the system...Sorry I will get off soap box.

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Good advise and as true in Louisiana as it is in California. BUT she doesn't need a lawyer to get her stuff back. Get in touch with the victim's rights liason (or whatever they call them there) and I guarantee she will get her stuff back as soon as humanly possible (not soon enough mind you, but if the coordinator is anything like the ones they have at the DA's office down here, she/he will ride the DA's arse until it is done. Hell, she'll ride the PD too if she/he thinks it will get anywhere.)
Our district was one of the pioneering districts in Louisiana with the victim rights coordinator. The person who heads it is the mother of a murdered son. (guess who represented the guy who killed the son :rolleyes) Anyway she used the position to do a lot of good for other families who have lost loved ones and in doing so has worked through her grief a great deal. She has trained several assistants who really go out f their way and do the right thing keeping the victims of crime up to speed regarding the cases. Hell, the judges won't take pleas on serious cases unless they know the victims are OK wit it, or if they're not that they are at least apprised as to why the plea is being accepted. If I have problems with the DA's on cases, i will often go to her, spell out my position and let her go to the family members for approval-they are a powerful asst to any prosecuting attorney's office and in addition a shrewd political move on the DA's part to have them. Hell in Louisiana we even have a victim's rights amendment to our state constitution!! But enough drift-tell her to get in touch with the victim's rigts coordinator at the DA's office.
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Unfortunately if they 'let him go' he will be right back without a record. Also we hear that the Border Patrol has been ordered to "Stand Down" on picking up illegals. The other option is that they arrest him, try him and convict him, sentence him to prison where he gets 3 meals daily, free medical and dental care and free room and board at taxpayer expense. All of that is better than what he has now. (Former Border Patrol Inspector and Customs Officer).
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Wow...6+ year old thread...wonder where that illegal alien is now?
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