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Old 01-21-2010, 08:45 PM
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Jamison is back. He authored an article on hunting with a .22 Magnum in the new March issue of Shooting Times. Just got it today!
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good for him, and me, i like his articles.
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I was hoping he was gone forever. I think he broke an unwritten rule in the firearms community, and that he never should have applied for, let alone gotten his patent.
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I was hoping he was gone forever. I think he broke an unwritten rule in the firearms community, and that he never should have applied for, let alone gotten his patent.
I haven't looked at a copy of ST in years, but remember him byline on many articles. What did he do that have folks upset?
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I'm not sure about the entire story, but Rick Jamison patented an idea for a case design. there were not any specific dimensions, just the overall theory of a short and fat case producing ballistics similar to what existed in other chamberings (more work in less space). Rick had worked with Winchester in the early stages of designing the WSM line, though at the time they working with cut down 404 Jeffery brass (my understanding, but don't know for sure). The partnership was dissolved when the Jeffery case didn't work out as well as they had hoped. Winchester then pursued the idea by using modified 348 Win brass and the WSM line was born. Jamison sued for patent infringement and won. Whether or not he won based on the early work he did with Winchester on the Jeffery case, or whether it was specifically patent issues, I'm not sure. he probly gets a few bucks royalty every time ammo or rifle is sold.

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My bad, I thought the title was Rick James
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I don't believe he won a case, Winchester just decided it was cheaper to pay a settlement than go to trial. Short and fat cases have been formed by wildcatters before Mr. Jamison was born.
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Jamison is a good gun writer. His fight with the gun industry was an ugly affair. Perhaps we can all go forward. I wish him well.
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I'm Rick Jamison beetch!!
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I'm Rick Jamison beetch!!
Is he the father on Jenna?
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IMHO, the firearms industry and firearms publications would be far better off if RJ never came back in any form whatsoever. IMHO, he is an opportunist and conniver and should never be allowed to be published again. .......... Big Cholla
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LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking, Sip!
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Here is a good thread covering the patent and lawsuit:

Rick Jamison-patent on WSM - Benchrest Central Forums
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Letís see if I have this correct Rick Jamison was issued a patent and sued Winchester for patent infringement. Winchester was found to have infringed on the patent or decided to settle before a finding of the court was issued.

The aftermath of this event was that Jamison by circumstance was denied employment/standing in his profession. The apparent reason is Winchesters and or industry displeasure over the infringement/settlement pertaining to the patent.

Conventional wisdom is that Winchester was wronged and therefore Jamison is the villain.
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I was hoping he was gone forever. I think he broke an unwritten rule in the firearms community, and that he never should have applied for, let alone gotten his patent.
Did you have shares in Winchester.???
Why shouldn't he get a patent .This is business and if Winchester or whoever infringes they pay, Simple.As we would if we stole someone else's idea.
We all work for money and want to make as much as possible.Good on him for suing and winning.I missed him in ST.


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Rick Jamison does have an article in the March 2010 issue of Shooting Times magazine. It is on hunting with the 22 Magnum. In his usual style, he provides some useful ballistic information. Perhaps he will again become a regular contributor to ST.
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Did you have shares in Winchester.???
Why shouldn't he get a patent .This is business and if Winchester or whoever infringes they pay, Simple.As we would if we stole someone else's idea.
We all work for money and want to make as much as possible.Good on him for suing and winning.I missed him in ST.

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Then perhaps Mr. Jamison should give the money he got from Winchester to the people who wildcatted along the short, fat case idea before him. He came up with nothing original, he was simply the first to apply for a patent. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but the idea existed long before he used it. FWIW - dan
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I know next to nothing about the lawsuite. I do know I read a lot of his articles and always got the impression he knew what he wrote about and did a lot of experimenting for his articles. He was well prepared and knowledgeable in his field. That for the most part was centerfire bolt action rifles. I dont think he messed that much with handguns though.
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I was hoping he was gone forever. I think he broke an unwritten rule in the firearms community, and that he never should have applied for, let alone gotten his patent.

Did you have shares in Winchester.???
Why shouldn't he get a patent .This is business and if Winchester or whoever infringes they pay, Simple.As we would if we stole someone else's idea.
We all work for money and want to make as much as possible.Good on him for suing and winning.I missed him in ST.


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Ken, Read the thread I linked earlier, and Jamison's patent, and see if you still have the same opinion. Many believe as I do, and I believe in protecting intellectual property rights. He may be legally correct, but morally wrong.

I believe he come up with nothing unique, and was issued a patent in error. I have heard that happens not infrequently. I like to consider the shooting community more gentlemanly than the rest of the business world. His patent is complicated and could actually cover a new concept. If it does it may be a "gotcha"

This probably is the patent:

United States Patent: 6675717)

Here is a link to an article by Chuck Hawks about this issue:

The Death of Short Magnums?
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This subject is short on factual information other than Jamison was awarded a patent by the United States Patent Office. Apparently the patent claims were not disproved/disputed/disallowed based on prior art. I’ve been through enough patent applications to know the process and the examiners are usually competent.
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Short on factual information? I posted a link to the patent. Evaluate it if you want to and give your opinion as to if it covers a new and unique invention.
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Here is a link to an article by Chuck Hawks about this issue:

I don't read anything he writes,Chuck Hawk is a legend in his own mind.

As to giving money to all the wildcatters before him....Well then maybe all the B/A rifle makers should give Mauser some of their money.????.I could go on.

I dont know why it upsets so many people he got a payout,If I stole one of Winchesters ideas or God forbid a Ruger one ( Remember he didn't invent the transfer bar,He copied it and has a patent for it)I'd be in court real quick.


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Short on factual information? I posted a link to the patent. Evaluate it if you want to and give your opinion as to if it covers a new and unique invention.
The only factual information is Jamison was awarded a patent by the United States Patent Office. Thatís a fact. My determination of merit or that of yours matters not. The patent stands and he is the assignee like it or not. Every thing else is conjecture and speculation.
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