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just a anti ups rant
guy i work with went to ups to return a scope to leupold,guy asked "whats in the package" so he said a scope,"whats it for" says ups man,my rifle friend replys,"sorry we do not ship gun parts anymore" says ups man. now i dont think ups has any business asking whats it for,thats none of there business,also ups man said it is now company policy not to ship gun parts,anybody hear of that?
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guy i work with went to ups to return a scope to leupold,guy asked "whats in the package" so he said a scope,"whats it for" says ups man,
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Viewing wild life and bird watching ...
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The UPS guy is full of feces.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
UPS: Shipping Firearms
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The employee is ill informed and needs retraining.
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I do hope you asked for his supervisor?
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Viewing wild life and bird watching ...
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UPS must be going through another transition of some kind.
I am a daily pickup for them and usually around the holidays they get overloaded and service suffers, but it's February and they are still in Suck mode.
It used to be pretty uniform service through out, but now it seem like it depends on the area of service, as to what kind of quality of service is provided.
Did they start selling franchises? ( insert big grinning smiley here)
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I have learned when I have a problem shipping guns and ammo I ask them to call their own company help desk and it gets straightened out. Sometimes the clerk at the shipping terminal does not know their own rules. The help desk does.
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Curious... was it a The UPS Store (Franchise operator), or was it UPS? Quite often the franchise stores really aren't well informed and you got some guy behind the counter that all he has been told from the owner of the store is Gun = No.
I agree with the others... a scope is for magnification, nothing more.
There was a similar UPS rant a year or so ago. IIRC, the guy drove something like 50 miles to get to a The UPS Store. He told the fellow behind the counter that he was shipping a gun powder scale. Take a guess on how that turned out.
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I haven't had alot of static since I started shipping "antique golf clubs, table legs, fising rods, maps, small collectible diecast items".
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Every now and then I ship a drill.
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"I meant a bottle of Scope....you know the mouthwash."
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I had the same issue with a UPS Store yesterday; they wouldn't accept some lead bullets (just the projectiles; no cases, powder or primers). No amount of discussion or logic would improve their politically correct mind sets. Idiots; they've lost my business. -S2
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Any of the UPS Store locations can be tough to deal with when it comes to firearms and related items. They do have a 'no firearms shipment' policy at most everyone I've seen. They are franchized establishments and have different rules from the UPS shipping counter at the terminals.
Still, you run in to the clerk no matter where you go,,USPO, UPS, FedEx) that won't accept what you know is OK to ship.
Sometimes the supv'r is just as stubborn dumb as the clerk.
No reason a rifle scope shouldn't be shipped. They may demand certain packing or in some cases the original packaging as they do with most electronics and some optics.
But to deny shipment because it's 'part of a gun' is nonsense.
They all have a right to ask about contents and a right to open & inspect any package contracted with them for shipment.
You can avoid that only by not using them. But it's in their lengthy listing of shipping rules and regs.
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My UPS store is not sure if they can even ship mags but the main location will take rifles, guns, ammo....Sometimes the main facilities are better
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Ahh, The UPS store or Mail Boxes Etc its sometimes called. They are independently owned and operated. They all put a big up charge on the price of shipping generally 20 to 50%. Also if you have them pack something for you the price will make you think they packed it in a block of gold.
Your better off opening an account online, then just print out a label and pay the pick up charge.
Or USPS, free boxes, can pay online, print postage and have it picked up at your home or where ever.
I use FedEx (ground mostly) for lots of stuff I have an account but I drop off at the local terminal. This makes the rates even lower.
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UPS won't ship tele-scopes and lead bullets , er , re-cast wheelweights/fishing sinkers?
I recently shipped a rifle I sold to an accepting gun shop via FedEx. Even though the box was 12inx6inx48in long , insured for $1000 , and was addressed to a gun shop , they never asked what it was.
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Thank you for posting the policy.
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Keep in mind that those rules are for UPS, not The UPS Store. Read the bottom part of those rules which says they do not apply to The UPS Store.
For The UPS Store rules read here. The UPS Store #5918 - LEWISBURG, PA
It says no ammunition, guns or gun parts, including "scopes". The no scopes is a new one on me.
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Do yourself a favor - never tell them what you are shipping. It's none of their business. If they ask me I say "parts", no matter what it is. End of discussion.
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Confused?
Don't be. I owned a shipping franchise and UPS sets the terms you operate under and the price. They strictly prohibit the shipping of firearms, all firearm parts, ammunition and derivitives. All and any hazardous materials including ORMD (other regulated material).All packages presented for shipment must be declared as to contents. Failure to disclose contents can be costly.
If an accident happens while in transit and you have shipped prohibited material - DOT and UPS will be coming after you. If you need proof - a UPS cargo aircraft burned up in the middle east because a shipment of Nicad batteries were improperly packaged and undeclared shorted out causing a fire on board the aircraft. The flight crew was killed and Everyone and their uncle is going after the shipper including DOT - FAA and a whole pack of UPS attorneys, not to mention the families of the dead flight crew.
FedEx is far more tolerent of shipping firearms but still I would do it strictly by the book. I had a guy ship what he declared as a fishing reel and assorted parts. Next thing I know the FBI is in the store asking to see the paperwork. He was actually shipping firearm parts and some other illegal products. I made the Feds copies of the documents processed at the store. They said thanks and left. I was in the clear because I went by the book. So, a word of caution - go by the book. You may get away with it once maybe twice but the next time it maybe a couple of guys in suits and badges with a fist full of paper in their hand and some silver bracelets just your size.
If you think you don't have to tell the contents. Your wrong. If the contents are undeclared a store owner is required to refuse to ship. The old saying is "If I don't know - it doesn't go." And mouthwash is illegal - it has alcohol content.
Be careful of what you think are the rules both UPS and the DOT. The "I didn't know" is not a defense. Knowing what I know now, after owning a shipping store I would never take the chance it is too expensive and not worth the risk.
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Short barreled telescope.
I sent a pistol back to High Point in Ohio and was asked at the post office what it was. I said "machined metal parts, a pipe, and a few springs."
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Would a piece of metal cut in the shape of a frame considered a gun part? Or a piece half finished considered to a gun part?
Question is relevant when considering such items as a wood stock or gun grips. A semi-finished stock sent to gun smith for checkering can't be sent but something less finished can (2x6)? What if its roughly shaped as a stock?
Who determines at what point its an actual gun part and not raw materials?
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Would a piece of metal cut in the shape of a frame considered a gun part? Or a piece half finished considered to a gun part?
Question is relevant when considering such items as a wood stock or gun grips. A semi-finished stock sent to gun smith for checkering can't be sent but something less finished can (2x6)? What if its roughly shaped as a stock?
Who determines at what point its an actual gun part and not raw materials?
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If the part can be put into or on a firearm made to fire a projectile it is considered to be a gun part. In other words any part that would assist in aiming, loading or discharging a projectile is a gun part. As for who determines that is the shipping company - if they feel it violates there policy or is illegal according to a federal agency they can refuse to ship.
I'm not trying to be a know-it-all here, just trying to save some guys a lot of unnecessary grief. Certain shipping companies get very nervous about weapons.
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talked to him about this last night,said he went to the post office and got it shipped no problem,clerk asked if was anything on their no ship list he told him it was a riflescope clerk said ok and shipped it,btw it was a ups store he went to and i did not know they were so anal at them,i wont even think about using them in the future
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I had the same issue with a UPS Store yesterday; they wouldn't accept some lead bullets (just the projectiles; no cases, powder or primers). No amount of discussion or logic would improve their politically correct mind sets. Idiots; they've lost my business. -S2
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When that happens you get on the phone to the UPS home office and you keep going up the chain until you reach someone that knows their own rules to explain it to the idiot behind the counter.
The local UPS, FedEx and USPS clerks don't mess with me any longer over what I am shipping because through experience they know I probably know their rules better than they do and they got tired of losing the arguement.
Now if you are shipping a firearm it cannot be shipped through the UPS Store. Firearms must be shipped through a UPS Center. The reason for this is that the UPS Store businesses are franchises and operate under slightly different rules when it comes to a firearm. Folks think that the USP Store is the same as a UPS center and they are not, I have owned one and there are differences.
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Do yourself a favor - never tell them what you are shipping. It's none of their business. If they ask me I say "parts", no matter what it is. End of discussion.
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Bad advice coming from a "judge". Federal law requires that you inform the carrier when you are shipping a firearm.
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If the part can be put into or on a firearm made to fire a projectile it is considered to be a gun part. In other words any part that would assist in aiming, loading or discharging a projectile is a gun part. As for who determines that is the shipping company - if they feel it violates there policy or is illegal according to a federal agency they can refuse to ship.
I'm not trying to be a know-it-all here, just trying to save some guys a lot of unnecessary grief. Certain shipping companies get very nervous about weapons.
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I assume its more in the description than anything else. A de-mil'd barrel sent for recycling is likely to be accepted; a slide without guide slots left out (even though it could not be assembled) will not make it; raw bar stock used to machine a gun frame won't either.
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I shipped a revolver to be refinished via UPS and had disassembled it, and kept out several parts I did not want plated. The UPS clerk asked what it was, and I was truthful, but explained it was disassembled. She asked if all the parts were there so it could be assembled into a working gun, and I answered no, and she said it was parts only and no problem.
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I shipped a revolver to be refinished via UPS and had disassembled it, and kept out several parts I did not want plated. The UPS clerk asked what it was, and I was truthful, but explained it was disassembled. She asked if all the parts were there so it could be assembled into a working gun, and I answered no, and she said it was parts only and no problem.
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Bingo! It cannot be put together. However, it can only be shipped at a UPS hub (service center).
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Good thread...I've actually had the OPPOSITE problem at a local Mailbox Etc franchise. The owner is very casual and leniant and does not know the UPS rules. He does not know that UPS requires handguns to be shipped overnight (not ground). He always tells me it will be cheaper if I ship ground even though I've told him it is a handgun.
My question does anyone know if I went with his "advice" and shipped ground would that void the insurance if something happened to the handgun in transit? I would be breaking UPS policy but I assume I wouldn't be in violation of any federal laws would I?
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I shipped a revolver to be refinished via UPS and had disassembled it, and kept out several parts I did not want plated. The UPS clerk asked what it was, and I was truthful, but explained it was disassembled. She asked if all the parts were there so it could be assembled into a working gun, and I answered no, and she said it was parts only and no problem.
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UPS firearms shipping rules treats a 'frame' as a firearm. If it's included in a parts shipment, that shipment is supposed to go as if it was a complete firearm.
If it's a handgun 'frame', it's supposed to go overnite.
UPS: Shipping Firearms
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UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)
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If the clerk in the O/P decides a rifle scope is a firearms part, then it can still be shipped w/o problem.
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Good thread...I've actually had the OPPOSITE problem at a local Mailbox Etc franchise. The owner is very casual and leniant and does not know the UPS rules. He does not know that UPS requires handguns to be shipped overnight (not ground). He always tells me it will be cheaper if I ship ground even though I've told him it is a handgun.
My question does anyone know if I went with his "advice" and shipped ground would that void the insurance if something happened to the handgun in transit? I would be breaking UPS policy but I assume I wouldn't be in violation of any federal laws would I?
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You do not violate any ATF regulations however you do violate UPS' rules which would void the insurance claim if the package was lost or damaged.
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My UPS store is not sure if they can even ship mags but the main location will take rifles, guns, ammo....Sometimes the main facilities are better
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I always use the main facility for precisely that reason. Same thing if I use Fedex. I'm fortunate to live close to both (less than 1 mile each) but even if I didn't I'd drive as far as I had to without hesitation. The "store front" operations don't have a clue what they are doing.
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When a Jack.....Asks a stupid question like this one I ask for his supervisor. Had a run in years ago with a insurance claims adjuster that gave me a bad time when a tree fell on my outbuilding. He said the tree was dead & if it been live insurance would pay.But they did pay & later sent me a paper inquiring about their service. I told them in writing to send their boy back to Charm School. Got a call from the head office in SF. about it & the gal laughed. Fired the ding a ling.
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Last month I went to the local UPS / Mailbox store to ship a Nikon rifle scope back to the warranty department in California. Obviously the mailing address was NIKON, the store clerk asked me what was in the box, I replied - "Optics"... no problem.
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Bad advice coming from a "judge". Federal law requires that you inform the carrier when you are shipping a firearm.
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I think you also have to declare it when you ship weed but nobody does it
In any event-would you please cite me to the Federal Law that says you have to declare firearm shipments when using a common carrier? I was under the impression that it was don't ask-don't tell-at least with UPS and FedEx. The declaration is meant to flag the packaged so they can go next day air as a theft deterrent. Or at least so I thought.
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Here's the part of the Code that addresses it:
if you can figure it out...
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§ 478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.
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(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without violating any provision of this part.
(b) No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container indicating that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
(c) No common or contract carrier shall transport or deliver in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm or ammunition with knowledge or reasonable cause to believe that the shipment, transportation, or receipt thereof would be in violation of any provision of this part: Provided, however, That the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply in respect to the transportation of firearms or ammunition in in-bond shipment under Customs laws and regulations.
(d) No common or contract carrier shall knowingly deliver in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm without obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt from the recipient of the package or other container in which there is a firearm: Provided, That this paragraph shall not apply with respect to the return of a firearm to a passenger who places firearms in the carrier's custody for the duration of the trip.
[33 FR 18555, Dec. 14, 1968. Redesignated at 40 FR 16385, Apr. 15, 1975, and amended by T.D. ATF–354, 59 FR 7112, Feb. 14, 1994; T.D. ATF–361, 60 FR 10786, Feb. 27, 1995]
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