Curios and Relics question

ladder13 · #1 05-26-2010, 02:26 PM

Is there a limit to how many C&R acquired guns you can dispose of/sell in any given time period?

Trooperdan · #2 05-26-2010, 03:14 PM

I am sure that you have differing opinions but there is no limit as long as the ATF doesn't feel that you are "engageing in business".

bigolddave · #3 05-26-2010, 04:05 PM

One may be too many; one hundred not, depending on the circumstances. This is for what it is worth, and is based on BATF rulings and logic, but primarily for discussion.

I have a table at a show, with ten C&R rifles on it, that I have aquired over the last five years. I have lost interest in this model, and am selling them off. As long as the sale is legal (waiting period, C&R, or FFL) there is no problem; and I record the sales in my bound book.

Along comes someone with a C&R rifle, similar to the ones on my table. The price is half what it is worth, so I buy it. I put it in a case to take home; no problem. If, instead, I make out a tag for double what I paid for it, I have created a major potential problem, even though I have not yet sold the rifle, as it could be construed as engaging in the business, because I have bought, and am offering for sale an item similar to what I am ostensibly disposing of from my personal collection.

The BATF would probably never notice that you did this, but technically you are in violation. A C&R license is best thought of as a license with special privileges to BUY not sell.

Opinions?

Trooperdan · #4 05-26-2010, 04:38 PM

BigoldDave,

I have never seen a better or more succinct explantion! Kudos!

TD

ladder13 · #5 05-26-2010, 05:30 PM

Thanks Dan and Dave, you pretty much confirmed what I have heard and read.

RufusG · #6 05-27-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bigolddave

One may be too many; one hundred not, depending on the circumstances. This is for what it is worth, and is based on BATF rulings and logic, but primarily for discussion.

I have a table at a show, with ten C&R rifles on it, that I have aquired over the last five years. I have lost interest in this model, and am selling them off. As long as the sale is legal (waiting period, C&R, or FFL) there is no problem; and I record the sales in my bound book.

Along comes someone with a C&R rifle, similar to the ones on my table. The price is half what it is worth, so I buy it. I put it in a case to take home; no problem. If, instead, I make out a tag for double what I paid for it, I have created a major potential problem, even though I have not yet sold the rifle, as it could be construed as engaging in the business, because I have bought, and am offering for sale an item similar to what I am ostensibly disposing of from my personal collection.

The BATF would probably never notice that you did this, but technically you are in violation. A C&R license is best thought of as a license with special privileges to BUY not sell.

Opinions?

Pretty good, but you lose a couple points for using BATF and logic in the same sentence.

depicts · #7 05-27-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ladder13

Thanks Dan and Dave, you pretty much confirmed what I have heard and read.

I see where the confusion comes from. I should have just said "I'll take it". Maybe paying the transfer fee is better than geting mixed up with BATFE. I've only BOUGHT guns with my C&R, never sold any.

Bill

4864 · #8 05-28-2010, 05:49 AM

It is pretty clear when you fill out the application for a C&R that this is not a license to buy and sell. Just buy as in to collect. You must keep a record in your C&R book of all guns purchases with you C&R and when you renew it you have to state how many who have bought within the period your C&R is active.