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Old 07-23-2010, 01:52 PM
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This technique for defeating home key locks was previously unknown to me. I'm passing this along for your information.

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Same priniciple works for pad locks too, but it's even easier.
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They sell bump keys on the internet; much easier for crooks to use than lockpicks.

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Wow,I guess I never thought of that.Now I'll have to rethink my security.

John,Thanks for the heads up.

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It's been around for a while, but obviously not everyone has heard of it. Thanks for the reminder.
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Well, I had never heard of this, so thanks for the education. Now I need to do something to upgrade my home security. (Though my best security remains the clear lines of sight to my house from the streets front and back, and my attentive neighbors.)
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The cheap locks are pretty easy to bump but the expensive locks are very difficult.
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Lock bumping has been around for a long, long time. It was a forgotten method that resurfaced about 5-6 years ago.

It really does work if you practice. However it's not a method I use in front of customers.

High security locks are the only way to stop this type of attack.

Locally I have seen many, too many homes that were robbed with no signs of forced entry. We suspect bump keys were used.

Consequently, we have been selling a lot of Medeco deadbolts. They are expensive, but what is your safety and piece of mind worth?
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The last gunshow I went to (Mesquite) had a guy asking me if I wanted bump keys as I walked by. I gave him a dirty look and kept walking.
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A CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS WEAKEST LINK. What's the purpose of having a high security bump proof lock on a door that is directly next to a pane of glass (door lite or window)? Most thieves do not pick locks, they break a window, a rear slider or a basement window. According to police in my neck of the woods, most thieves do not go through the front door. If you live in a sixth floor apartment with a steel door and that is the only entrance, then yes the better locks will provide better security. Not saying you should purposely buy cheap locks, I just doubt that a Medeco lock is going to keep a thief from kicking in a basement window. Just saying............

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^ +1. Most people who are gonna do a B&E (That doesn't stand for bacon and eggs) are not smart enough to buy/make lock pick sets or bump keys. They are gonna break a window, kick in a door, etc.. A security alarm going off would scare off 50-60%. A few bullets would take care off the rest. Criminals are very stupid, but can get creative. A gun or ten is the only good defense
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I recently installed 2 steel security doors and all new locks, so the video was a bit disturbing. I did some checking and found out my new locks were designed to guard against "bumping". The video was made in 2007, so hopefully other lock companies have designed locks that resist bumping.

Other means of entering are stolen garage door openers aided by a vehicle registration complete with address, doggy doors for larger dogs, and poorly installed window air conditioners.

Doesn't really matter...if someone is determined to get your stuff they will always find a way...but first they will have to deal with my 2 Labs and a Mossberg 12 gauge.

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The local TV news trash, in the public interest, gave a "Lock Bumping 101" seminar for all the local bad guys here last year. It revolted me at all the detail they went into.

There are different types of bump-proof locks. The best types have two sets of tumblers and security controlled unusual keys. They can run $60-$80 per lock. Don't forget to include security lighting and trim back bushes that let thieves hide. As noted the best alarm is an ill-tempered dog. Most prospective thieves just move on to something easier once they know a dog is present (they aren't worried about the dog as much as who he might wake up).


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Other means of entering are stolen garage door openers...
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They don't even need that. They can slip a hook through the gap at the top of the garage door and pull the emergency release. Make sure your house doors into the garage have deadbolts and security locks.

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Medeco locks cost a small fortune. I'll let you know in a few years if I like them or not. They sure are smooth and positive. And the keys are huge!

Of course anyone can bash in a window, be it next to the door or someplace else in the house. Your only protection against that is sensors that detect breaking glass, and alarms on all the ground floor windows and doors. Motions everyplace else. Overlapping coverage to the extent anyone getting in will surely trip multiple zones.

But your first line of defense is still the door locks. Discount store locks provide little or no security. Most locksmith brands do little more. Medeco is about as good as it gets for less than a 2nd mortgage.
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I've been selling and installing high security locks for years. Medeco is the best and worth every penny.

Some of you folks mentioned other ways of breaking into a house. There are many ways of doing so. Nobody said to buy good deadbolts and stop there.

Secondary or auxillary locks do exist for patio doors and windows. 3M makes an extremely strong window film that will stop the quick smash and enter.

Home security needs to be done in layers. Skimping or simply ignoring certain layers will make it easier for the bad guys.

Contrary to popular belief, there are other good locks out there. People don't know about them because they don't ask. They go to the local big box hardware store and believe what the sales guy says and run with it. Your local locksmith should be able to provide you with an excellent section of strong high quality locks. If they can't then they are not true security professionals. Seek a reputable locksmith.

For example, people think that Schlage locks are the best. They aren't. Their commercial locks are very well made but there are better. Their residential line is a joke. Simply don't buy into it. Schlage is owned by Ingersoll Rand. They can afford to spend a hell of a lot more money promoting thier products. And I have yet to see any locks sold by any home center that I would put on my house.

I've been a professional locksmith for close to 20 years. Don't claim to be an expert. But I know what I know from doing it every day. I am certified and insured and have more training than most of my contemperaries. I not only secure homes and business, but I am also a very good automotive locksmith.

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As someone just stated, MAKE SURE you have a steel door and high security locks on the door that goes from your garage into your house (if you have one). It's easy to get into a garage and the overhead doors are often not alarmed. Once in an enclosed garage, a thief can take his time (unseen) and get into the house. It's also important to have a wireless radio that sends a secondary signal to your central station, because most theives know how to cut a phone wire where the primary signal would normally go to the central station. In fact, if your houses are like most, you probably have a glass lite right next to your front door, so if a thief does want to get through the front door, he's not going to bump the lock, he's going to break the glass and open the door. Most likely he'll go around back and get in through a basement window or a patio slider. So the best thing (IMHO) is to make sure you have a GOOD STRONG gun safe. Not the kind they sell in the discount stores with the fancy gold plated wheels, but a real good strong one. Above all, make sure it's bolted to the ground and if you keep the safe in a closet, alarm that door with a separate keypad and separate alarm code.

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As someone just stated, MAKE SURE you have a steel door and high security locks on the door that goes from your garage into your house (if you have one). It's easy to get into a garage and the overhead doors are often not alarmed. Once in an enclosed garage, a thief can take his time (unseen) and get into the house. It's also important to have a wireless radio that sends a secondary signal to your central station, because most theives know how to cut a phone wire where the primary signal would normally go to the central station. In fact, if your houses are like most, you probably have a glass lite right next to your front door, so if a thief does want to get through the front door, he's not going to bump the lock, he's going to break the glass and open the door. Most likely he'll go around back and get in through a basement window or a patio slider. So the best thing (IMHO) is to make sure you have a GOOD STRONG gun safe. Not the kind they sell in the discount stores with the fancy gold plated wheels, but a real good strong one. Above all, make sure it's bolted to the ground and if you keep the safe in a closet, alarm that door with a separate keypad and separate alarm code.

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In addition to your post regarding the house to garage door. Security experts agree that this door should be treated as a perimeter door. Unfortunately many of those doors are 1 3/8 inch hollow core doors. Those doors should be replaced. Also, don't leave tools in the garage which will help the bad guy. Stuff like axes, chain saws, hammers, pry bars etc... Lock them up if you can.
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Personal observation: If you have kids get a Airedale pup and have him grow up with the kids. Airedales will die defending their master but try and hit a kid in front of one. (No Way) tough dogs, impervious to pain and fearless, yet not vicious by nature, Whoa be to the intruder that brakes in. As a kid in Ohio we raised Beagles and Springer spaniels. Around hunting season we had thefts of some pretty good dogs. My dad an old hard head to say the least bought an airdale and built a secondary run around the kennels, and let Bruno stay there when we were not home and at night. He had his own plush accommodations built into the run. One night we heard screaming from the kennels. some once a year hunter had snuck in to the area of the kennels, Beagles and Springers love every body. when we went out to the kennel a guy was hanging from the fence with Bruno holding on to about 6" of his butt and as terriers will do was shaking his head that was attached to his butt, each shake a little more flesh came loose...No more intruders...period..the deputy sheriff that responded was laughing so hard he almost puked. He told that story through out the county and Bruno became famous. We had nothing else taken from the property. hunting season or not...I loved that dog. He finally got old and sight going got hit by a car I was in the Marines when it happened. He mated every female dog within 5 miles and whipped the males. AND my dad couldn't touch me if Bruno was around....Sorry for the story I just had to tell it. I have had many Airedales since then and all have been great. "They will guard their pauper master as if he was a prince"
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Yup, a good dog can a very good security measure. Better than most alarms systems.
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Anyone notice the ad at the top of page one for a company selling
Bump lock keys?

thanks Google.


Is it possible to "bump" a deadbolt lock?
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It is possible to bump any lock that is not a high security lock or specifically labeled "bump resistant".

But even with bump resistant locks, they have some inherent design weeknesses that have yet to be exposed by the lock bumping public.

A high security lock will incorporate two or more individual locking systems inside the lock which cannot be defeated by bumping, picking, or drilling. I hate to see them when someone is locked out.

A high quality, high security lock cost quite a bit more than a standard lock. But in addition to being pick resistant they are usually at least 5 times stronger.

When purchasing a high security lock, do your homework. There are several questions you should ask. And you only need a high security deadbolt. No locking door knob is needed. The deadbolt is your security. The knob merely keeps the door closed. And you won't lock yourself out either.

It should be noted, lock bumpers need blank keys or old keys that they can find. By altering an old key or blank, they can make a bump keys. This is one reason we have always destroyed used keys and we will not sell blanks to most anyone. A keyblank is a tool until it is cut to make a key.
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Thanks for the info kanewpaddle. Im not sure the xtra money
for locks will do any good tho with windows all over the house.
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As I posted earlier, home security should be layered. Depending on one area only is a big mistake.

The important point to home security is to keep bad guys out long enough to arm yourself and move loved ones to safety.

If your door can be kicked in, in a fraction of a second while you nap on the couch, you don't stand a very good chance of defending yourself.
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AND my dad couldn't touch me if Bruno was around....


We had a dalamtian. When we went to pick him out, my oldest took his girlfriend along. She was nice and we liked her. The dog seller ushered us into the dining area, one with tile floors and where the puppies were kept.

If you want the definition of a mad house, its any place where one dalmation puppy is playing. Multiply that by 8 or 10 and its just craziness.
So most of us were trying to show some dignity and either stood or kneeled down. Not Diana, she sat on the floor. They puppies were bouncing off the furniture, walls, ceiling, you name it. They're over active dogs. But one of them stopped for a minute, stumbled over and sniffed her, then piled into her lap. Content. From earlier mistakes I knew not to buy the rabble rouser. We didn't pick out Spot, he picked us out.

A few years later we were at home, and Diana and my oldest had a little spat. He tried to yell at her, a big mistake. Spot was still on her side. I was wondering if he was really going to bite my son or if it was all posturing. Everyone started to laugh so it defused the situation.

In about the same time period, Diana came over in the afternoon and asked to borrow the dog. She walked him from time to time and he was more than willing. When they came back she was really upset and Spot had got a bite of some guy. He was running at them, a mistake, and he intentionally bumped her (she was really cute.) Spot took that as an attack on his family, and lunged. The guy was just playing, Spot wasn't. He managed to get his rear end "untoothed" and split the scene in a hurry. Some other people saw what happened and agreed the guy was either "copping a feel" or whatever. Didn't matter.

Many large male dogs protect their pack. Some breeds are fanatic about it.
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Airedales are diffidently fanatic about guarding their Masters. More so give a kid a Airedale and you need not worry about some deviant bothering the kid. I still remember the story written in Airedale history about leaving their kid in a cradle on the front porch. Only problem no more mail. Their courage is unquestioned and loyalty to death. In the south they were bred to strike Boar and in the west they would strike big cats. Not always smart but always faithful...A good trait man or beast.
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Bought an Airedale for our boys about 20 years ago after reading in an AKC book that they were used as messenger dogs during WW I (before radios) because they were the only dogs that would keep going even when badly wounded.

After owning our Airedale 'Chug', I believe it. He made a bulldog look like a sissy when it came to tenacity. A really great dog. Didn't even need a lock with him around.

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