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Old 08-03-2010, 04:56 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010....html?ref=news
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Same Stuff, Different Day.
Yup. If it wasn't a subject near and dear to their twisted little hearts and was a story about the issue just based on facts, it would never get a drop of ink.
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HSUS is still a big supporter of lead bullet bans. There is a self-proclaimed "grass-roots hunting group" in California called Project Gutpile that is pushing for the ban.
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HSUS is still a big supporter of lead bullet bans. There is a self-proclaimed "grass-roots hunting group" in California called Project Gutpile that is pushing for the ban.
with a name so eloquent as project gutpile .... I question their real roots



have you ever seen a million of anything .... I mean really
I can recall a grade school project where they took most of the school year between 7 grades to collect the tabs from pop cans.
I think they were presented in the gymnasium in 8 or 9 55 gallon drums and put into a huge ... and I do mean HUGE pile in the middle of the floor ... they weighed in total more than a school bus.

Now tell me what a million of anything dead would smell like ....
I call BS
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Most of the tree huggers I'm familiar with don't let the facts get in the way of a feel-good-tear-jerking rant . . . . after all, they're so superior, they care so much, they're so much better than you because they have noble intentions . . . why should the truth trump what they "know" and "feel" ?
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Duck hunters suffered through lead shot bans. I stil don't know why. It seems to me that the natural life span of a duck is a hole lot shorter than lead poisoning takes. But then I don't know.

It has been proven that wildlife flouishes around the Chernobyl site. By the time radiation kills a wild animal, it dies anyway. yeh, OK, some animals might not be quite "normal" any more.

So why get rid of lead bullets? Or anouther question....Who profits from getting rid of lead bullets? That is the question.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:48 PM
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My discount parrot from China weights 2 pounds more than the average parrot...and he seems a bit more yellowish than normal...
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I got a couple gallons of lead based paint in the basement that I'll paint the ends of my bullets with. Wait til those animals start dying of lead poisoning from paint chips. Really give them something to whine about.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:51 PM
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There are too many people and too many small groups in this country. They have way too much time on their hands, so out of spite and/or misplaced compassion they meddle in the lifes of hard working folks that just want the government to leave them alone.
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The study that was used to justify the ban was done at Crab Orchard Lake in S IL. The author of the report noted that the lead poisoning was only a problem when certain species of duck ate the lead off shallow bottoms along with corn.
Most places where ducks are hunted have no such conditions, and the lead ban is pointless there.

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Lead Bullets And Shot Corrode, But The Lead Stays Put, Virginia Tech Study Shows

Lead Bullets And Shot Corrode, But The Lead Stays Put, Virginia Tech Study Shows

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Sip; Who ever heard of a lead parrot? Not even the Maltese Falcon was made out of lead.
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It has been proven that wildlife flouishes around the Chernobyl site. By the time radiation kills a wild animal, it dies anyway. yeh, OK, some animals might not be quite "normal" any more.
Just today I heard on CNBC that the Russians are concerned about the radioactive wild boars that are running around Chernobyl.
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I'm on the fence about this-on the one hand do we need to ban lead and is it that much of a threat to..well everything? or is it more tree hugger nonsense?

On the other lead/copper bullets are a bit "outdated" and it's been driving hunters nuts since almost guns were invented to make one that doesn't fly apart,or not work right when you shoot something.
The advent of all copper bullets to me is step forward and I'd really rather have them over lead if I can,a projectile that's made of one hunk of metal is better then one made of two different ones and then stuck together.

And then you can dream up stuff like a solid copper bullet with a steel core for some real hole punching ability!

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I'm on the fence about this-on the one hand do we need to ban lead and is it that much of a threat to..well everything? or is it more tree hugger nonsense?

On the other lead/copper bullets are a bit "outdated" and it's been driving hunters nuts since almost guns were invented to make one that doesn't fly apart,or not work right when you shoot something.
The advent of all copper bullets to me is step forward and I'd really rather have them over lead if I can,a projectile that's made of one hunk of metal is better then one made of two different ones and then stuck together.

And then you can dream up stuff like a solid copper bullet with a steel core for some real hole punching ability!

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let me walk you through this one as best I can.
the jacketed lead core bullet is outdated in hype only.
Lead, and its dense malleable nature remains unequaled. while its density can be exceeded by tungsten, its malleability cant. A tungsten core will either be a frangible causing superficial wounds or an armor piercing ... last time I checked ... now illegal and pretty much has been for hunting in most areas. They will out range lead core however but only with a terminal performance trade off
Copper solids try to lend some expansion to the game but at the expense of sectional density and ballistic coefficient. It just cant hold energy like lead. In a short range game like dangerous game. it may be a good option.
In either case they do, and will continue to fall short of the performance of lead over the greater range of use.
Copper solids and tungsten core bullets only supplement the tool kit that is still predominately better served with lead.
besides ... the price tag on these things are just abusive
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Time to put a little on the shelf maybe...





Only a bit over 3,500 pounds in stores at this point. I guess that will hold me for a week or two.
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Well, it's not as if it were a natural substance, such as pink tofu.
I live up against the Rampart Range. Lots of bentonite (they used to mine it near here, as well as making bricks. Old abandoned clay mine about 300 yards west an 150 feet up).
Just look at the Rockies. Nothing but a pile of pitchblende, lead, and asbestos. The cleanup cost is probably going to be astronomical. Probably will need a four- or five-generational study by Congress to determine exactly what to do.
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As mentioned, the HSUSA is pushing for the lead ban---------------as a beginning to end ALL hunting. This is their foot in the door.

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This is just more nonsenical BS from left wing extremeists whose parents are rolling over in their graves after seeing what the trust funds they set up for them did to their kids. It's time to pour some more cholorox in the gene pool folks.
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The EPA has already taken steps to limit copper in drinking water sources, copper bullets probably won't satisfy those who would limit lead. I've wondered what the solid copper slug does in the barrel since it does not obturate as much as a copper jacketed bullet.
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So why get rid of lead bullets? Or anouther question....Who profits from getting rid of lead bullets? That is the question.
It's not the lead.

"No lead" = "expensive ammo."

One more step in the disarming of America.

People really need to get off this "This makes no sense! Those people are stupid!" mentality.

Those people are NOT stupid and it makes perfect sense if your agenda is to disarm the citizens.

Any idea how much ammo is gonna cost in The People's Republic next year? No mail order will decrease competiton, sure, but that's not all. When a thumbprint & background check are required you KNOW places like WalMart are gonna drop ammo from their shelves. Anybody who thinks their friendly neighborhood gun shop won't start gouging hasn't been primer shopping the past year or so...


And BTW... HSUS is NOT your local Humane Society. They are a bunch of whackos whose goal (among others) is the outlawing of pet ownership.

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It has never really been about lead.

It has never really been about guns.

It is about control. A disarmed population is much easier to control, and what better way to disarm them than to dry up the ammunition supply?
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It has never really been about lead.

It has never really been about guns.

It is about control. A disarmed population is much easier to control, and what better way to disarm them than to dry up the ammunition supply?
You have figured it out. They can't just outright ban guns or outlaw them without a huge backlash. So what they do is create a fear campaign/scare tactic based on junk science and start pulling at the publics heart strings with it. It's a big crock and anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence or common sense will be able to see right through it. If lead is so bad and dangerous how come the water tables around military installations or civil war battle grounds aren't raging super fund sites now? Cause it's a non issue.

The army base in my hometown has been there since the 1850s, they regularly uncover huge rows of old bullets where the firing ranges used to be a various times with no higher or lower lead contamination issues than anywhere else in the region. If they have been dumping litterally hundreds of tons of lead in this area for over a century, I would think something would've shown up by now.

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You have figured it out. They can't just outright ban guns or outlaw them without a huge backlash. So what they do is create a fear campaign/scare tactic based on junk science and start pulling at the publics heart strings with it. It's a big crock and anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence or common sense will be able to see right through it. If lead is so bad and dangerous how come the water tables around military installations or civil war battle grounds aren't raging super fund sites now? Cause it's a non issue.

The army base in my hometown has been there since the 1850s, they regularly uncover huge rows of old bullets where the firing ranges used to be a various times with no higher or lower lead contamination issues than anywhere else in the region. If they have been dumping litterally hundreds of tons of lead in this area for over a century, I would think something would've shown up by now.

Sorry, I'll shut the rant off now.
Here's the thing that makes me raise an eyebrow over the lead thing:it's a natural substance right? we mine it out of the ground if I remember right so......how in the nine hells can it be an environmental hazard if it's a natural part of it?
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Krull, I do believe you are calling BS on this one my friend lol.
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